I have shot my 416 rem mag model 70 Winchester alot at 200 yards and thought about using it at even longer ranges such as up to maybe 400 yards with Barnes bullets .I.have a couple of boxes of Barnes x bullets the 325 grain which were my favorite 200 yard bullet in my gun .I use to shoot them at 2800 fps which is pretty fast for such a big bullet .I remember the 300 grain bullets listed to 3000fps .I wanted to use these on black bear and moose mostly .I wondered if any.one here had used them at longer ranges.I.know they quit making.these weight of bullets hoping to find a couple more boxes .

The trajectory for the 350-grain bullets at 2,550 fps is about the same as the 375 H&H with 260 grain bullets, and also similar to a 30-06 with 180-grain bullets. Not stellar, but solid to 350 meters/380 yards. The trick is that a heavier bullet has more momentum, and generally a larger ballistic coefficient. The result is that they stay off the ground for longer than you expect. As you noted, it will be difficult to get more of the Barnes bullets. Speer makes a nice 350 grain practice, and light game bullet that you could get up to 2,600 fps safely. Then practice, practice, practice until you have a good idea on its actual real world trajectory. For actual hunting, the 416 Rem Mag and the Swift A-Frame bullets in the 350 and 400-grain sizes go together like a horse and carriage, and love and marriage. The 350-grain Swift A-Frame will cleanly kill any North American mammal out to 350 meters, IF you have its trajectory down cold. The cartridge is the reall all around cartridge; the 375 H&H isn't even close. There are also many hard cast, 350-grain gas checked lead bullets that you can shoot up to 2,200 to 2,400 fps for even cheaper practice. They also do great work on large animals. I have killed heavy bison, moose, and elk with a 350-grain A-Frame out of the .416. Good luck!

I have shot the Speer 350 grain alot at 200-yards probably.more of of Those have gone through my gun than any other bullet .I hope to find at least four more boxes of the Barnes 325 grain bullets .I really like using my 416 for hunting just don't want to be stuck on short shots only .I can finally get enough powder to shoot a bunch again .I think a scope with multiple cross hairs would really be helpful in this case .I shot very well at 200-yards with those 350-grain Speer bullets but their bc is pretty low to shoot further than 250 yards They dropped about 6 inches at 200 yards with a inch high at 100 yard zero.I hunted with a 3x9 Nikon monarch scope just needed the extra cross hairs .

We have gravitated to the 350gnTTSX in .416Rigby.

While we like to load the Rigby to 2825fps with the 350gnTTSX, a fine long-range load, the same bullet should be able to do 2600-2650fps in the 416Remington.

So what can 2650fps do for long range?

The 350gnTTSX can be sighted-in at 2.0" high at 100 yards. It will cross the line-of-sight at 200 yards (technically, -0.3" at 200) and will be -9.7" at 300 yards. At 400 yards a 2650fps launch speed is starting to drop out, resulting in a -27.6" drop. More important, though, is the wind drift. At 300 yards and a 2650fps launch, the 350gnTTSX will only drift 9.3" in a 10mph crosswind and still has 2027fps impact velocity for reasonable expansion and penetration. 400 yards is a bit far for a 2650fps muzzle velocity: its 400 yard arrival is down to 1840fps and the 10-mph crosswind will push the bullet 17.4". I would recommend another caliber with a faster muzzle velocity for 400 yards. (The hand loaded Rigby, or 338WM, with BC's at .444 and .514 and muzzle velocities at 2800-2850fps, start to take several inches off of the wind-drift and drop. Those saved inches can be useful out over 300 yards.)

So I would consider the 416Remington excellent for about 300 yards, and you could push it to 400 yards with a rangefinder and good wind-estimation skills. All this is more than enough for Africa.

For moose you could use a 3"-high zero to get a -23" drop at 400 (the wind-drift remains the same). But be careful about using the same sighting for deer, since you might find your bullet 5" higher than intended at the very common range of 150-200 yards. A person needs to instinctively aim to a low spot on the heart with such a load. Then, when the animal is farther away, a person can calculate holding dead-on or slightly high as the estimated range may be.

That's why I.liked the 325 grain Barnes x bullets they can go 2800 fps in my gun .The 300 grain x bullets could go 3000 fps in my rifle .I hope to find a few more boxes of the Barnes 325 grain x bullets they looked very promising .I usually take my 338-378 weatherby in Alaska for my.long range rifle and the 416 for thick stuff .It always has been an awesome combo just wanted to stretch my 416 a little longer range out of it .I am finally finding reloader 15 again for my 416 and federal 215 primers .My guns have been very quite for a while because of this .I just made sure they were sited in and that was it !

You can use any bullet you like, as long as you have confidence in hitting your target.

I have use my normal 300 grain loads - I only hunt with one load - for animals over 500 yards.

I am sure non would notice any difference if the bullet weight is 350 grains or 400 grains.

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That's why I.liked the 325 grain Barnes x bullets they can go 2800 fps in my gun .The 300 grain x bullets could go 3000 fps in my rifle

If so, you may get 2700fps out of the 350gnTTSX.

As you are aware, the advantage of the TTSX is a much higher BC (=.444) over the current 300gnTSX (=.298). [I never believed the old figures of .546 BC for the 400gnXFB, et al.] That .444BC means more energy downrange and less wind-drift than the 300gnTSX. The drop will be close because the 300gn will achieve a faster muzzle velocity.

The 300TSX at 3025 will drop -6.1" at 300 and drift 8.9", then -19.7" and drifting 16.6" at 400 yards in a 10mph cross-wind. Remaining energy at 400 yards is 2723ft# with 2022fps for expansion.
The 350TTSX at 2820fps will drop -6.7" at 300 yards, drifting 6.4", and then -20.3" at 400yards drifting 11.7" in a 10mph cross-wind. Remaining energy at 400yards is an impressive 3620ft#, and 2158fps velocity. Not too shabby.

So the slower-starting 350TTSX ends up the better bullet out at 400 yards by 5 inches of wind drift.

I use 400 gr Swift A Frames in my .416 Rem. Shot a buff at 308 with it and watched Wendell Reich shoot one at 350. I told him to hold about six inches into the wind, told him the bottom post was the 320 zero. He hit it in the heart.

That said, a .416 would not be first choice for a LR shot. Then again, I have only shot two animals in Africa past 300 (other than baboons), so I am not really concerned with long shots anyway.

My buddy used 350 gr. TSX in 416 Rigby to shoot a baboon at over 250 yards. His Ruger RSM is a tack driver with loads that do about 2650fps. Too fast for buffalo because the bullets failed. He wasn't getting the needed penetration. He made good shots but it took 9 shots to close the deal. For fun I am going to use his load on wild pigs this weekend. The Remington 416 should get the same results.

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350 gr. TSX in 416 Rigby ... 2650fps. Too fast for buffalo because the bullets failed. He wasn't getting the needed penetration. He made good shots but it took 9 shots to close the deal.

2650fps is not too fast. Other explanations are more likely to be true. Buffalo don't have their ornery reputation for nothing. Sometimes they just need a lot of attention.

Here are two bullets, 350gnTSX from a 416Rigby, probably older loads around 2675-2700fps:


The mushroomed bullet on the left was taken from a buffalo shot at 110 yards that ran 300 yards and fell dead under a tree. The bullet went through both lungs and was found as a lump pushing out of the skin on the off-side.
The bullet on the right was a lengthwise finishing shot on a hartebeest that got up and started to run away. Penetration was excellent and dumped the hartebeest on the ground but you can see that it lost its petals. I do not consider petal-blowing to be a failure but an advantage. Penetration is great with flat-nose terminal damage, which is good, and the petals do expansive damage for a foot or more.
PS: the flat-nose on the right still weighed 249.2 grains, or 71%, not so different from some NP's I've used in the old days.
The TTSX's may be a little different. So far we've only recovered two and neither have lost their petals, despite a 2825fps muzzle velocity.
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Here are two more bullets in the next picture, above the former two:


The bullet on the top left, from a different hunt, was a second shot on a buffalo across 275 yards of open flat land and shows decent but limited expansion at about 2050fps.

So you don't really want to send those 350gnTSX's out much slower than 2650fps if you want to use them out to 300 yards.

Finally, here is a picture of what can happen when you speed it up, which I think is even better:



The 350gnTSX was launched at around 2825fps and hit a buffalo in the face at 72 yards. It blew its petals and started a secondary flat-nose expansion. Penetration was fine, continuing on along the side of the neck to the start of the chest. Buffalo dropped where he stood but needed a finisher because the bullet went under the eyes and missed the brain and the spine. The case is pictured with a comfortable primer despite the 2825fps, 6175ft# loading. (It goes without saying that a face shot should only be done with a well-sighted in gun from a solid rest. I had a fairly sturdy tree, branched about right for a steady kneeling shot.)

Again, if the rifle will let you shoot at 2650fps I wouldn't send the 350TSX or 350TTSX out any slower.

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350 gr. TSX in 416 Rigby ... 2650fps. Too fast for buffalo because the bullets failed. He wasn't getting the needed penetration. He made good shots but it took 9 shots to close the deal.


2650fps is not too fast. Other explanations are more likely to be true. Buffalo don't have their ornery reputation for nothing. Sometimes they just need a lot of attention.

Not a huge fan of the TSX but I would have to agree here. Almost all of my buff died rather quickly, but I do recall one that took 14 shots - you could hear the air wheezing in the holes in his lungs. Besides, all nine failing? Don't think so. Statistically nearly impossible.

That's the problem where I hunt in Alaska .One minute your where you can't see 20 feet on the creeks next minute you can see two miles .We usually carried both the 416 and 338-378 when we hunted in the Argo and could carry two guns easy.I only have a 3x9 Nikon on my 416 but moose are big targets and 300 to 400 yards it's possible .I had lots of situations where I wish I had the other gun .A friend shot a moose at 10-yards before dark and I couldn't see it in my 6.5-20 power scope on the 338-378 .I really like the 416 as my big alaska gun it works well pretty accurate and held up well in the weather and hell I put it through .Those onions are tough scopes too .I will shoot my.416 more and try it out .I keep 410 grain Woolleigh soft points for the thickets for bears too .Have to keep trying and shoot further out .People laughed at me taking.my 416 but cleaning moose after dark it was good bear insurance with those 410 grain Woolleigh !

I sight my .416 Rem. dead on at 100. Always shoot 400 grain Swift A Frames or TBBC for softs. It's 8" low at 200, so that's easy enough and I've shot a bit of plains game out to to 200 with it. Longest shot I've made on game is right at 300 yards -- a Cokes.

Getting ready to leave next month for Masailand again and checked the 300 yard point of impact last Sunday. Center of the group was 23" low at 300.

I think the .416 is ideal out to 200. Don't like shooting beyond that, but depending on the species and the circumstances, I'd take another 300 yard shot with it. Not on a Tommie.

Yes moose and grizzleys are way bigger targets .I put a 200 yard limit on grizzleys except with my 338-378 it's 350-400 yards for them .I have a bunch of swift 350 grain factory loads they shoot pretty good and are like nosler partitions.Moose and bears are really quite different as far as tough to kill .I will try s one 300 yard shooting soon I did very good at 200 yards .I will tape drop on my stock .Yes the little targets are way harder to hit further .I thought of making a 416 ultra mag but that brass is way too hard to find these days .I need a bigger scope too this 3x9 has a 200 yard limit with my eyes now .I tried a higher 200 yard sight in but it put me pretty high at 100 yards and need to be dead on.for bears !

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Yes moose and grizzleys are way bigger targets .I put a 200 yard limit on grizzleys except with my 338-378 it's 350-400 yards for them .I have a bunch of swift 350 grain factory loads they shoot pretty good and are like nosler partitions.Moose and bears are really quite different as far as tough to kill .I will try s one 300 yard shooting soon I did very good at 200 yards .I will tape drop on my stock .Yes the little targets are way harder to hit further .I thought of making a 416 ultra mag but that brass is way too hard to find these days .I need a bigger scope too this 3x9 has a 200 yard limit with my eyes now .I tried a higher 200 yard sight in but it put me pretty high at 100 yards and need to be dead on.for bears !

DGR--Since you already have a 338-378, you might want to try the 416Rigby for more speed in .416". Hornady Brass is excellent and readily available. The Rigby has more capacity than a 416/RUM to boot. Good gunsmiths can open up a bolt face to .590 fairly easily and adjust rails. The result when hand loading is 200fps extra velocity.

My two Alaska 416 Rem mags are super light don't think I could handle much more recoil from them .I was hoping changing powders might help some but I use mostly reloader 15 which I am finally able to get again thank you President Trump ! Hopefully I can find two more boxes of these 325 grain x bullets .I have 100-of them which is not really that many .They are suppose to be way flatter shooting at 2800 fps just have to hunt for some more .I will try those newer 350 grain Barnes too .I.had a sako 416 Rem mag with a 26 inch barrel that was the One I was going to build the ultra mag 416 out of them brass disappeared and powder and I.just sold it .I was building my.house and didn't have the time to fool with it .Buffalo hunters out west shot a long ways out using cast bullets and black.powder .I just want to stretch out my 416 Rem mag range as far as I can .It's my tent gun for nighttime mostly and thicket gun for bears .

Depends on what you call long range, that's a nebulas statement these days..To me my .416 Rem is a 300 yard gun but could stretch it to 400 I suppose, but never have shot anything over 225 yards as I recall...Its as flat shooting as a .375 H&H or 30-06, depending on the load IMO