I need 200 pieces of .500 Jeffery brass. How are the Jamison cases compared to the Horneber cases, and is there someone else making quality brass as well?

Dave

Midway USA has Jamison 500 Jeff brass available in units of 20 for 49.99.

I've never loaded for a Jeff but have used JI brass in 505 Gibbs & 600 OK and never had any complaints...

Matt V.

I would go for the Horneber brass. Do NOT use Bertram brass!!! Trust me!

.500 Jeffery is a thin case, compared to say .416 Rigby, Good quality brass is important and will give you those 2-3 extra loaqds on the same case.

I have not used Lamison brass but know the quality of Horneber brass.


Cheers,

André

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Originally posted by JefferyDenmark:
I would go for the Horneber brass ...

I have not used Lamison brass but know the quality of Horneber brass.


Cheers,

André

Hey Andy,
You trying to be funny?

for jamison brass go to
www.custombrassandbullets.com

i have used horneber (did a group buy) bertram (junk, but will eventually get better) jamison...

quality is interchangeable between the horneber and the jamison

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Originally posted by RIP:

quote:

Originally posted by JefferyDenmark:
I would go for the Horneber brass ...

I have not used Lamison brass but know the quality of Horneber brass.


Cheers,

André

Hey Andy,
You trying to be funny?

Sorry I was NOT, typo.

I will try the Jamison brass one day when my Horneber does no longer work!!!!

Cheers,

André

Dave:

When I got my .500 Jeffery, I also bought 40 rounds of Horneber brass. The Horneber brass is very good. I am still using the first 20 rounds and it has been loaded two or three times and it still looks fine.

I recently purchased 100 rounds of Jamison brass from Midway. It also looks very good but I haven't shot any yet. If you place a new Horneber case side-by-side with a Jamison case, you will see that the Horenber case has a much more distinct shoulder. However, once the Horneber case is fired, its' shoulder is about the same as the shoulder on the Jamison brass. Both function perfectly in my CZ. The Jamison brass looks fine to me and I am really glad they are finally turning it out.

Dave

Jeff:

Thanks for the link. I am going to give the Jamison brass a try.

Dave

The Horneber brass is the 500 Schuler specs. The Jamison brass is the 500 Jeffery specs.

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Originally posted by Buliwyf:
The Horneber brass is the 500 Schuler specs. The Jamison brass is the 500 Jeffery specs.

Buli, my CZ must have the "Jeffery" chamber because after you fire one of the Horneber cases, they look exactly like the new Jamison cases. I had no trouble with the Horneber brass in my gun. Even the new stuff functioned just fine. While I might be wrong, I seem to recall on the CZ website that they said that their .500 Jeffery was based on a CIP specification for the .500 Jeffery that was standardized in 1998.

Dave

P.S. Where do the pine trees touch the sky?

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:

quote:

Originally posted by Buliwyf:
The Horneber brass is the 500 Schuler specs. The Jamison brass is the 500 Jeffery specs.

While I might be wrong, I seem to recall on the CZ website that they said that their .500 Jeffery was based on a CIP specification for the .500 Jeffery that was standardized in 1998.

And the latest recertification of both the 500 Schuler and 500 Jeffery (two slightly different sets of specs) is the same as in 1998, updated May 15, 2002.

We had a pretty good thread about all this recently for the search inclined.
Drawings and numbers.

Hi Dave,

I'm a huge .500 Schuler/Jeffery fan. With Rip's help there was an excellent thread recently on the .500 Schuler and .500 Jeffery. They are slightly different and it is important to understand that. Your CZ must have the "Jeffery" chamber. However, it was my understanding that the Jeffery would fire in a Schuler chamber but not vice versa? What loading dies do you use for your .500 Jeff?

I think Dave has it right.
Study the CIP specs for the two.
A 500 Schuler will chamber in the 500 Jeffery and likely fire most times, then emerge as a 500 Jeffery conformation fireformed brass with whatever headstamp.

It would be hard to close the bolt with 500 Jeffery brass in a 500 Schuler chamber.

My Horneber brass was originaly 12.7x70 Schüler brass, it is now .500 Jeffery with a Shüler stamp
My chamber was made with a Triebel tool and I have a custom die-set from Treibel. It works perfect
I get a death crimp with my buller seater, and would not have it any other way.

Cheers,

André

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Originally posted by Buliwyf:
Hi Dave,

I'm a huge .500 Schuler/Jeffery fan. With Rip's help there was an excellent thread recently on the .500 Schuler and .500 Jeffery. They are slightly different and it is important to understand that. Your CZ must have the "Jeffery" chamber. However, it was my understanding that the Jeffery would fire in a Schuler chamber but not vice versa? What loading dies do you use for your .500 Jeff?

Buli, I am just using plain old RCBS dies. I was pretty naive about this. I have to confess that I didn't even know there was a difference between the Shuler and the Jeffery design until you guys told me. You can really see the difference when you put a new Horneber and a Jamison case side-by-side. However, the Horneber brass functioned just fine in my CZ, even on the first loading. RIP is right. After firing, it comes out as .500 Jeffery brass. I think that since the first CIP standard in 98, all the new .500's have "Jeffery" specs.

Dave

I did find out that the standard RCBS .500 Jeffery die set is to "Jeffery" CIP standard. RCBS will custom make the "Schuler" for about the same price as the "off the shelf" Jeffery set.

I'm glad it has worked out for you.

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Originally posted by Buliwyf:
I did find out that the standard RCBS .500 Jeffery die set is to "Jeffery" CIP standard

That's correct. When I resize fired cases, they have the Jeffery taper.