Should the 375 Ruger be discontinued?

It would appear from a large percentage of the postings it should be buried.

Why is there so much dislike of new calibres that are introduced?

There is no law that makes it compulsory to replace your 375 H&H or 338 Winchester with a 375 Ruger.

I can undersatnd the 300 WSM because it is smaller than the 300 Win but the 375 Ruger is a little bigger than the H&H

Saeed takes a pair of rifles in what amount to wildcat versionss of the 375 RUM. Is he taking the wrong calibres.

Mike

Hunters seem to be a conservative crowd which does not necessarily like innovations.

I think it is good to firms like Ruger and Blaser around, otherwise we'd still be shooting Mauser 98, s&s shotguns and 9.3x72 R blackpowder drillings without scope.

DUK

The only negative I can see from you new calibres is for factory ammo uses and those who depend on buying from a shop......obviously only so much stock can be held and the more calibres then I guess less choice in each calibre.

But I doubt the above reason is why so many dislike new calibres.

Mike

Hey DUK, is there something wrong with Mauser 98s?! Don't forget most quality (if not all) bolt action rifles are based on the Mauser 98!

People are just sceptical. The .375 Ruger hasn't been around long and there's been a lot of hype and many can't seem to fathom why anyone would want to replace the beloved and proven H&H with another .375 cartridge. Me, I'm okay with it. We have a lot of choices with regards to caliber selection which means that our hobby is in pretty good condition.

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Originally posted by DUK:
we'd still be shooting Mauser 98, s&s shotguns

I still am. The finest non-double rifles are based on the Mauser 98 design, and the finest shotguns are side by sides.

I just can't get used to some things like plastic guns and religious leaders who used to be anti-aircraft gunners.

SS, ultimately that decison rests with the $ paying consumer. It's success or failure does not affect me, but I would like an American company to succeed with new product.
PS. The finest shotgun is the good 'ole 'Vertical Gun' by Boss & Co of London! Lets face it, its arc of opening is not much more then SxS and it does not "blot out" rising birds or other shot presentations .

I don't know about hunters not being inovative. How many guys were shooting the 25 Neider before it was made into the 25-06. Then the 35 Whelen. There was a bunch of interest in the 338-06 in custom guns, now you can buy factory ammo for it.
I think the 375 Ruger will be great and I plan on haveing one.
Some people would bitch about free cheesecake because it didn't come with cherries.
Every new whatever has hickups with it's introduction. Remember the Ruger P-85 9mm pistol that didn't get released until 86? It was a great pistol and would take a steady diet of hot SMG ammo when the Barettas were cracking slides and injuring shooters. Ruger threaded the barrel, screwed a bolt in and fired it with no damage to the gun. It didn't come out in 85 like was planned though.
When the 375 Rugers kinks get ironed out, we'll be glad to have a reasonable cartridge in a great gun at an affordable price.

Just my 2 cents, but then I didn't get much sleep last night

Absolutely not.

Choices are good. What's not to like about H&H performance in a standard action?

I think this cartridge may just tempt some people into buying a 375 caliber cartridge that otherwise wouldn't.

338 and 358 calibers are great bigger game calibers, the 375 is better.

Bigger diameter kills better, higher velocity kills farther.

It is important to keep in mind that shot placement relegates all ballistics discussions to secondary importance when it comes to hunting.

What you read on the internet is a very small percentage of the shooters.

According to eveything I read on the internet the 300WSM shouldn't have sold 10 guns in the last 5 years.

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Originally posted by DUK:
I think it is good to firms like Ruger and Blaser around, otherwise we'd still be shooting Mauser 98, s&s shotguns and 9.3x72 R blackpowder drillings without scope.

And Mauser 98's, SxS shotguns and 9.3x74R drillings would be bad how??

I'll take one of each please.

(and a Ruger 375 African)

....I have had and shot 11 338 rifles .. Mostly Ruger 77 mk 2,s .......A Rum and a model 70 were in the bunch also ... Had the 375 Ruger been available in what amounts to an Artic Cote or black teflon finish or stainless steel , I wouldn,t have had to waste my money on any of them ...... And I would have been much better served.........I may never have had my 458 built up ......And so all the long shots that I needed to make and couldn,t. Because of too steep a trajectory I would have made and still had plenty of snoose for the up close work..Yes I could have made up a 375-338 , but a friend who did didn,t like his when he used it guideing brn bear......The 375 H&H has been hindered until very reciently by heavy rustomatic rifles..Unless sent off to have money spent on them.......Wood stocks swell up and split., And shift p.o.i.greatly!!...There will always be the pinky finger crowd who think all that is needed is old stuff. .... But the 375 Ruger will work perfactly . for those of us who only want to carry one rifle to do every thing from shoot a wolf @ 4-500 yrds to knocking a big bear down @ 15 '... They didn,t call the working model the Alaskan for nuthin....Like the 480 SRH Alaskan it is the perfact gun for the job it was designed for..... Now that I,m started ,,,,,,,If I were to desighn a perfact goat and sheep rifle ,,It would be a 375 Ruger Alaskan......

Never fear. The free market has a way of taking care of these things.

i think the 375 Ruger will do well, infact it will do very well...just wait an see!
Daniel

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think the 375 Ruger will do well, infact it will do very well...just wait an see!
Daniel

Agree.

Although I think the H&H will dominate by far the top end custom guns.

I am betting the 375 Ruger will also cut in heavily to 338 Win sales, assuming of course it becomes avaialable in plenty of rifles such as the Vanguard/Howa.

Mike

You got me curious....500Grains, which leader was an anti-aircraft gunner?

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Originally posted by JABS:
You got me curious....500Grains, which leader was an anti-aircraft gunner?

HanoiJane would be my first guess.. But did she get religion or invent her own??

,,,,,,,,,who,s the opay and what signficince did he play ???? sorry for being a hick

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Hey DUK, is there something wrong with Mauser 98s?! Don't forget most quality (if not all) bolt action rifles are based on the Mauser 98!People are just sceptical.

I totally agree, I have 2 Ruger 77s which are in fact a slightly modified 98. As a pure hunting tool one wouldn't need anything else supposed it's equipped with a modern scope.

However, I think it is nice to have choices (and new stuff to spend money on). Most things are crap but the #1 design and Blaser's combination or single shot rifles are very nice to have around.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
The .375 Ruger hasn't been around long and there's been a lot of hype and many can't seem to fathom why anyone would want to replace the beloved and proven H&H with another .375 cartridge.

I once more agree. However, if one does NOT have a .375 H&H it might be nice incentive to get a big bore rifle. I hace a friend who uses his African .375 Mauser every day, both on driven hunts from roe deer to pigs as well as on the Ansitz. Myself, I have been slowly migrating from the 30/06 to the .338 to the 9.3 mm. A .375 would be a nice continuation and the Alaskan just looks "cool".

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Originally posted by Riodot:

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Originally posted by DUK:
I think it is good to firms like Ruger and Blaser around, otherwise we'd still be shooting Mauser 98, s&s shotguns and 9.3x72 R blackpowder drillings without scope.

And Mauser 98's, SxS shotguns and 9.3x74R drillings would be bad how??

I'll take one of each please.

(and a Ruger 375 African)

No of course not but it is nice to have some choices, like for instance a Blaser K95 with those incredible triggers, a D99 (in 9.3 mm of course) or an Alaskan. There is, by the way, a Merkel s&s sitting in my safe, too.

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Originally posted by 500grains:
I just can't get used to some things like plastic guns and religious leaders who used to be anti-aircraft gunners.

Well, we shouldn't bring a political discussion here, therefore just one short remark: Among the most honest, unselfish and patriotic leaders we had after 1948 both in politics as well as in industry were the ones who had served in either WW1, WW2 or both.

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Should the 375 Ruger be discontinued?

This is basically a dumb question! We all know there is NO POSSIBILITY of the damn thing being discontinued at this point! It just arrived. It is way too early to tell if it is going to become popular or not. But it can't be too much different from the wildcats we've been fooling with for years, based on a .338 Win. case necked up to shoot .375" bullets, which users seem to regard highly.........

I certainly think the .307 Ruger is a good idea. Simply beacaus it is a standard acion length.
I am hoping to see a .358 and a 416 version.
I just like .358 anythings for the biggest north american game ,and for african dangerous game (mabye i'll get there one day) I want somthing a little bigger.
...tj3006

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Originally posted by SuperSpeed:


I am betting the 375 Ruger will also cut in heavily to 338 Win sales

Not for me

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Originally posted by SuperSpeed:
Should the 375 Ruger be discontinued?

Yes.

Why??

In 3-5 years they will quit making brass and ammo for it, leaving a lot of guys in the lurch.

Remember the 5mm Remington?

All the WSSM calibers, all the WSM except the .300 WSM, and all the RUMs are headed for that same fate. And the .375 Ruger will be right there with them.

The fact it that it doesn't do anything for us that the .375 H&H doesn't already do quite well, but it does create logistical problems.

I think what will make the .375 Ruger last are the rifle configurations they have. They are working rifles for each of their designated destinations. Take either hunting to Alaska or Africa and see how quickly your guide or PH tries to talk you out of it, or tries to steal it. I think for once in a long time, an American rifle company has hit a home run.

I'm even beginning to think of ditching my .375 H&H Win SS Classic and getting one of the African models. It's lighter and more classic looking. Get it a black coating of some sort and then buy one of the Hogue stock for taking it to Alaska - essentially two models in one package. I think I'll wait a year or so to let all the bugs get worked out (these early production models to move out of the way) and the ammo to start flowing.

seems like cartridge censorship to me

LOL...
"won't be making..."
I can still get 358 winchester, 8x57, 348 winchester, and 38-40 brass, new, today.....

hell, i can get 8mm REM MAG today....

jeffe

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Originally posted by 500grains:
In 3-5 years they will quit making brass and ammo for it, leaving a lot of guys in the lurch.

Not up to the standards of Nostradamus on that prediction, Dan.

Let us revisit this in 5 years, aye.

It will then be seen to be a bunch of whiney-extended-pinky-finger BS!

I think the current interest in 9.3X62 rifles stems from the fact that they can give "close to" .375 H&H performance in a light weight and inexpensive package. I love my .375H&H rifles but don't love to lug them around.

The .375Ruger DOES give .375H&H performance (pressure, velocity, extraction) in a handy rifle. What's more the rifle can be less expensive due to the short action.

This is not the .416Rem with it's udersized case, or one of the current crop of "short magnums" that had no reason for being in the first place.

My "inner Nostradamus" tells me this one will be around for a long time.

Best regards;
Brett

500grains,

After playing with mine for a while, I bought a second 375 Hawkeye for my son. I've had a bevvy of 375 H&Hs, but none were as nice in the hand and to carry as the Kawkeye, IMO.

It has also replaced my 77 SS 338, that shoots just fine, once I installed a Timney trigger. I don't feel a need to keep it, except for the fact that every Ferd's Gas&GO&Ammo from Snake Navel, ID to Rabbit Hash, KY sells ammo for it.

Maybe I will keep the 338...

Yes

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Originally posted by 500grains:
All the WSSM calibers, all the WSM except the .300 WSM, and all the RUMs are headed for that same fate. And the .375 Ruger will be right there with them.

Oh no say its not so!! What will I do I have two RUM's A .338 and .375 Oh yea I guess I could use 404 brass. Crap you guys worry about stupid shit. Have fun if you want one buy it...If they stop making brass who cares! You can always rebarrel it or have brass made if you like that caliber. May cost you an arm and a leg but it can be done.

I am the first guy to "whine" about new cartridges coming on to the market, seemingly by the month.

But - thank god we have an industry that is trying to keep the juices flowing.

I am willing to tolerate this only because it is better to have new stuff being introduced that generates new interest, revenues, thus supports the defense of the 2nd Ammendment.

The lesser of 2 evils I suppose.


Jeff

Think currently have ten 375 H&H caliber rifles.

And a few 378 Weatherbys.

Have a couple of 375 Rugers on order.

Variety and choice are good.

There is room for more cartridges to be tried.

What I want to know is "When does the ultra magnum 9.6 mm arrive ?"

I think anything with a belt should now be discontinued.

I can't wait to ream a 300 win to 300 ruger.

ruger should have just chambered the new rifle in 376 steyr.

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Originally posted by JABS:
You got me curious....500Grains, which leader was an anti-aircraft gunner?

Pope Ratzinger was a member of Hitler Youth and then an anti-aircraft gunner in the Luftwaffe. He was stationed at a factory that used slave labor from the Dachau concentration camp, manning an anti-aircraft gun that was protecting the factory.

Do not understand this continuous concern folks have for not being able to get brass for discontinued or rare cartridges.

Load and shoot a lot of cartridges that folks have warned me about not being able to get brass.

So far, have never had a problem finding or making brass for them, including the

14-221 Walker
218 Bee
222 Remington Magnum
219 Donaldson Wasp
220 Swift
7mm TCU
7mm BR
7mm STW
307 Winchester
300 RSAUM
8mm Remington Magnum
357 Maximum
356 Winchester
358 Winchester
375 Winchester
10mm Auto
41 Magnum
416 Weatherby
458 Lott
470 Capstick
500 Linebaugh
50 Alaskan
500 Nitro Express
500 A-Square
585 Nyati


Am sure my next oddball caliber will be the exception.


Hammer

Should the .375 Ruger be discontinued? No. Ultimately, the market will determine if it can find its' place. I think it is a fine cartridge that makes up into a nice, inexpensive, portable rifle. However, the biggest thing it has going against it is that sales of rifles above 30 caliber are just not that great and the H&H has a heck of a head start!

Let's be clear about what this cartridge really is. Ruger and Hornady didn't put this out there because the market was just begging for a new .375. After all, in addition to the H&H, we have the RUM, two Weatherby cartridges, as well as a Dakota cartridge. The .375 Ruger is, like the short magnums, an attempt to spur sales in a moribund rifle market. It doesn't really give us anything that we don't already have.

Sometimes I think that our brothers in Europe, Africa, and Australia must be truly puzzled by us crazy Americans. It must be like a kindly grandfather sighing and shaking his head at the behavior of a wayward grandchild. They probably just want to pat us on the head. You see, our brothers across the pond already have a wonderful cartridge that makes up into a light, portable, short action that pretty much duplicates the performance on game of the .375 H&H. It's called a 9,3X62 Mauser and its' rimmed counterpart is the 9,3X74R and they have been around slaying all sorts of big nasty beasts for over 100 years.