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I going to break down and order a Searcy finally, before the prices go up so I've heard.  I want to know your guys opinion on what I should get, the .470NE or the 500NE. I will handload for either. I have heard the 500 is lighter, but weight is not really an issue to me. For all around What would you get. I am going to use it for buf, ele in the future, and close range prairie dog hunting  Thanks... Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | ||
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Weight is the issue unless it's just a range queen. A .500NE will kick the snot out of you. But assuming you've carried it 10 miles, in 110 degree heat that will be the least of your issues. To be honest a .470 will kill anything that walks this earth just as well. Your decision.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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IMO, the whole double rifle scene is screwed up. If Searcy is using the same barrel blanks, as most every manufacturer of any rifle does, then the 500 will have less barrel weight, which is backasswards unless you want the lighter weight. Also there is so much butt stock drop in the typical double that the recoil is punishing unless you have the bulk to absorb it. The 470 will be cheaper to operate and easier to sell. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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My experiences with doubles are not impressive, I have shoth both .500s and .470s on the range, but never hunted with them. I have not found a big difference in either recoil nor weight, but after 8 hours of stalking I might....  I would go for the .470 because of the bottelneck, thus being easyer to reload. Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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I'd go with the .500. The .470 will kill everything the .500 will, but since you stated that you will be going after Buff and Ele, I would opt for the .500 as it gives you that little bit more should you find yourself in a situation that calls for it. 577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express  If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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Go with the 470. ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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I would go with the 470.. but that's bc I don't have a .475 gun today.. ask me again tomorrow!!! i would also ask butch to go as light as possible on a 470... 9 for a target weight... a 500 I would like to be 10. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Wendell has a good looking Chapuis in 470NE for sale in the Classifieds right now! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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If the double is to be used for what it is meant for, i.e. working in thick cover on heavy game, I would opt for the 500. I have had two 500's double in the past as well as a 470. The 500 has a definite edge in close quarter knockdown. The first 500 was a Churchill that was way too heavy. The second was a 8.8 pound by Karl Hauptmann. This one was a delight to use for what it was meant for. Recoil was not nearly as bad as what it might seem. | |||
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470 - as bill says, it's easier to feed, easier to shoot and easier to sell. It has plenty of power (for anything) and you'll probably shoot it better (less recoil) than the 500 and that will make it a better killer. | |||
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Sierrabravo45 Ask Butch what he recommends, I believe he usually says 470. CHEERS | |||
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Thanks, I normally don't worry about recoil, being 6'2" and 260. I can normally handly a bit of recoil. I Will talk to Butch he normally recomends the .470 from what I've heard. I just like big bullets... Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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I have both and they both have their pluses and minuses. Take you choice. If it is your first one then I would lean to the .470. | |||
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I think you said it all... 577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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I'd deceide on whichever was more accurate and weighed less. I've had a fair number of doubles ( current count is 7) and not all would stay on a pie plate at 50 yrds offhand. Thats OK for normal hunting of ELE or Buff, but if you just have to make a frontal brain shot I would not want to stake my life on a double with mediocre accuracy. I own a few that are real tack drivers and some that really are marginal.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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According to Butch's website, the .470 will weight in between 11 to 11 1/2 lbs; the .500 between 10 to 10 1/2 lbs. 577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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I think those weights are backwards as I have emailed Butch and he said 10-10.5 for the 470. I am facing this same decision, but from the doubles I have owned in the past I am leaning towards the 500...but only if I can get it lighter than 11-11.5 pounds. I want nothing I carry to be much over 10, and preferably lighter. | |||
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470NE for me. might change it for a 450/400 later on, but for now i can handle the recoil and shoot foxes on up with it. | |||
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My 470 is 9.5 pounds and that surprized Butch. | |||
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This is a easy one - I just sent Butch my deposit for a Searcy PH last week. I ordered the 500NE and then two days later I changed it to a 470NE. I still have some time to change my mind again - this is like a "woman" trying to decide what dress to wear out. | |||
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oh, don't worry.. which ever one you get, you can give it to me, and i'll refund your deposit when you order you next one ... or, 50% of what you got in it  opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I own a Williams Evans 470 at 10 1/2 ibsand took 2 cape buffalo--also William Evans at 12 lbs in 500 nitro and took a buff and elephant and dont notice any difference in recoil and enjoy the 500 the best, dont know why, Maybe it is the "Elmer" in me!!! | |||
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Tom, Nor should you: (12/10.5)(5100 ft-lb, the 470) = 5829 ft-lb, the 500! I guess William Evans had calculators too. P.S. I am also green with envy. W.E. made/make beautiful rifles. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I've had just about everything from a 7 1/2 lb 8X57JR double to a 13 lb 577NE, and Now own from 9.3X74R, to 58 cal double rifles, with my curent Buffalo rifle being a 470NE double. If I had to make a choice between the 470NE and 500NE I would go with a 10.5 to 11 lb 500NE. However, if I were to have only one double rifle for everything I'd hunt, it would be a 9 lb 450/400NE 3", with a flip up gloming sight,and one fixed,for 50yds and one flip up for 150 yds, and QD scope bases, silective ejectors, double triggers, and manual safety. That little rifle would be the nuts for anything you would want to hunt on this planet,from coyote to bull Ele, and you can carry it all day, in the heat, and still shoot it just fine!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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In my opinion the weights need to be reversed. .500's do thump more, but not a lot. Take a pound off and then I think you will notice it quite a bit. (And I love a .500, but not at 10#) Thin trim women and rifles both look nice, but you can over do it also . | |||
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I just bought my first double a few months ago. I chose the Merkel in .500. I am 5'9" tall and weigh 200 lbs. The rifle weighs 10.5 lbs. I have no problem with the recoil and I think the rifle is ballanced as well as any I have ever held. I prefer to carry lighter weight rifles and don't recall ever fealing the recoil on any shot taken at game. While I am sure you will be satisfied with whichever you choose, and the game won't notice much difference, remember that there is " no replacement for dispacement ". Good Luck. | |||
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It's all clear now - clear as mud!!! I guess that's why it is such a hard choice. There is still a lot of romance for that bigger bullet 570 grain vs 500 grain and bigger frontal area in a double from the 500NE vs the 470NE, which is to be used up close and personel. Man here I go again - it's not toooooo late to call Butch back! One thing I don't understand is - it is my understanding (from Butch) is that the 500NE weighs on average 1-1/2 pounds more than the 470NE and this weight is in the barrels. This is contary to some of the other posts reguarding these 2 calibers, in that the 500NE can be made lighter than the 470NE . What is a proper hunting weight for a 500NE vs a 470NE for a Searcy double rifle? | |||
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I expect if you shoot a prairie dog with either one the only thing left will be the crater in the ground. I envy the decision you have to make. Good luck with your project. Gary T. "We will never disarm any American who seeks to protect his or her family from fear and harm." - Ronald Reagan | |||
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Do both...just get Butch to make you an extra set of barrels.... | |||
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