I recently put the Leupold QRW mounts on my 416 Taylor and 375 H&H. After 10 shots with my 416, the channel in the Weaver bases are already smooshed forward. I'm obviously a little dissapointed, as you would think this would have been dealt with in the design.

Any suggestions what is the best way to deal with this? Are the Leupold manufactured weaver-style bases tough enough to handle this (they are about 4X more expensive)?

Thanks in advance,
Canuck

My gun dealer advised me to go with the Leupold Weaver-style bases. He said they're made of steel. He also said the Weaver bases were made of aluminum and would lead to the exact problem you described. So I went with the steel Leupold bases.

- Bob F.

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Thw Weaver style bases are to compete with the Walmart crowd. It's not Leupold's fault.

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Not that I disagree with your comment at this point, however.

Canuck

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Nothing personal, but the name Weaver should tell you something. My father was a big Weaver base/ring fan. I never could understand this, but his "big" gun was a 30-06.

Of course, I never had the guts to tell him what I just told you!!

Will

Russ

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I recall that Leupold makes a crossbolt for the QRW that is square in cross section vice round. I is supposed to fit properly into the square notch of the alloy Weaver style base, and to therby eliminate peening. They designate it the PRW.

From the Leupold web site:
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NEW PRW MOUNTS!

QRW/PRW Mounts ��
Leupold accuracy in a cross-slot format
Leupold offers a complete line of steel cross-slot mounts - the Leupold QRW and our new PRW mounts. Use the QRW mounts for detachable accuracy. They use an adjustable lever mechanism to lock the rings securely to the base. When mounted, simply rotate the spring loaded levers into the desired position to keep them out of the way. Use the PRW mounts when a cross-slot format is desired or necessary but detachability isn't. Leupold PRW rings secure directly to the base with two screws for rock solid dependability.
unquote

jim dodd

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Russell, just for the record, I never slammed Weaver. I was commenting on the design of the Leupold QRW crossbolt (not square like the channel). Also, they don't stock the Weaver Grand Slam's (steel) in our local stores, so I couldn't get them without a lengthy mail order. Refer to my post above as to why I decided to try the standard aluminum ones. I see that they do have the ones I need in Brownells though. And it looks like Warne makes them (Maxima) too, and also for a decent price.

The other reason I was looking for advice on this is because I recall a post recently about Leupold bases doing the same thing (getting "peened" on heavy recoiling rifles). I don't want to spend a hundred bucks on Leupold bases if I am going to end up with the same problem.

Thanks for the tips guys.

Canuck

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What sort of scope were you using ? A light scope like a 2 1/2 fixed power would also lessen your troubles , and be plenty of scope for a large medium bore anyway .

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Originally posted by Canuck:
Russell, just for the record, I never slammed Weaver.

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True. YOU didn't. You used the wrong metal. The other guy (Will) was slamming Weaver.

Yes, Warne makes them and, as I said, I have them both on my rifles (not mixed, though).

Tell us what you end up doing.

Russ

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Originally posted by MacD37:
The Weaver syle bases are fine for solid mount bases, but are not a good design for Quick Detache bases, even with the square bolts, and steel construction.

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I just want to clarify: You mean quick-detach bases??? Yes, I know they exist (though Weaver doesn't make any that I'm aware of), I'm just trying to understand if this is what you meant. I generally don't plan on removing bases, I plan on removing rings. I use Weaver QD-type rings (on Weaver-type bases) and I've never had a problem with a loss of zero.

Russ

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[This message has been edited by Russell E. Taylor (edited 02-17-2002).]

I know they are considerably more expensive, but I use Talley QD with the levers on my 375 H&H, 458 Lott, and 460 Weatherby. They are still tight and solid, but my brain is loose!

I am probably going to have to go with standard Weaver rings now, as I need a setup that I can practice hard with over the next couple months before my trip. Mail order to Canada can be such a pain at times.

Longbob, I am a little too cheap for the Talley's at the moment, but I have heard many good things. They are also weeks away via mail order! I know what you mean about a loose brain. I have been shooting a 500A2 and a 470Mbogo quite a bit lately. Having your brain bounce off the front of your skull isn't as bad as I imagined!

Thanks again guys,
Canuck

Don

Living in the UK I can understand the problems your having getting the various parts our US friends take for granted.

Everybody says that steel mounts/rings are stronger than alloy, but I never really grasped why. I now suspect that it's not the actual strength of the units which lets alloy down, but the fact that the screw threads in alloy are more suseptible to to stripping....

Pete

Seems to me one wants H&H performance out of WalMart priced equipment.

Will

The Weaver product is fine, and I own approximetly 30 Weaver scopes about twenty of them in Weaver bases, and rings, but when they have been removed,for any reason, by me, they deffinetly did not return to zero.

As I stated in my first post This is only My preference, and in no way obligates anyone else to go this route!

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Don't confuse "Weaver-style" meaning the base is the same dimensions, with the old "Weaver" products.

I will put the return-to-zero characteristics of my Warne base and Burris Zee rings up against anything on the market.

I used the setup on my 1000 yard bolt gun that I switched between irons and "any" (scope) at several competitions. It worked flawlessly.

Don

What I should have said, maybe, is that the Leupold and Warne QR rings have always performed well for me.

It seems like there is a never ending pile of problems related on the forum. I guess I'm lucky I haven't suffered from too many of my own.

Will

As I get older, I tend to want to keep things simple. It seems you learned this earlier than I did!

Don

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Originally posted by Will:
I am not slamming Weaver, but when you are trying to use them for applications they were not intended, using aluminum Weaver-type parts should be a clue.

Seems to me one wants H&H performance out of WalMart priced equipment.

Will

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Not trying to be argumentative, but for clarity, it was not my intention to use "them for applications they were not intended". It says right on the package that the Leupold QRW rings are "compatible with any Weaver-style base". It also says right on the Weaver Top Mount Base packages that they "can be used with complete assurance on rifles of the heaviest recoil". A couple people I asked figured it should work all right. Thought it was worth trying, it didn't work (hence the dissapointment), so I posted here for advice (as opposed to criticism).

I was also not trying to get "H&H performance out of Wal-Mart priced equipment". Remember, steel bases are not readilly available around here. My intention is to get a rifle shooting better in time for a safari that is only 90 days away, and I tried to avoid mail ordering the Leupold bases or equivalent from the US and having to wait for customs etc to do their thing.

Wow, I must have had a little too much coffee today. I feel a little edgy.

Canuck

Thank you for the advice. I will obviously have to go the mail order route, and will try out the Warne Maximas. Hopefully I get them in time to use them. My Brownells catalogue took 4 weeks to get here after I ordered it!

BTW, the maps are awesome. Thanks again.

Canuck

I sympathize with the customs problems. It seems more of this BS is popping up in the US, in theory to save us from ourselves. But we know better!

Good luck in solving your rifle and mounts difficulties, and during your upcoming safari.

Will

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Originally posted by Patrick:
Good morning, I posted a comment here a few weeks ago on the same topic. I have the QRW's on a .416 Rem and .340 Weatherby. Both rolled the slot edges after just a few rounds. I contacted Leupold and was instructed to return the old ones for replacement at no cost and they did it very promptly. The new bolts are square steel and fit snugly in the slot. I don't anticipate any further problem. I can understand some disappoinment of Leupold's designers. These rings are aimed at the big gun market and surely weren't tested very thorougly.

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Well, after posting previously that I had not had a problem with the Leupold QRW rings and bases, on my Win Model 70 in .458 Win Mag, I have now learned otherwise. The subject matter of this thread kept coming to mind so last weekend I decided to pull the scope off my .458 Win Mag and take a look.

Sure enough, the rings have the older round pin. The slots in the bases have started to peen. And this is after only firing about 50 rounds through rifle so far. So, it looks like some repair / replacement is in order.

This is a good example of why I find this forum so useful and informative. I have really learned some things and picked up some good tips and information on here.

Thanks!
-Bob F.

http://www.ashleyoutdoors.com/

It is made of anodized aluminum. They recommend using the Leupold Quick Release Weaver rings. I thought about going with this setup, but after reading this thread I am not so sure. Shark

If you mean the Scout Scope mount, I have one and it works fine. I have Warne QD rings, on a Leupold Scout Scope w/ German #4 reticle. I have probably fifty rounds through the gun after I mounted the scope; 40 Remington regular rounds, and 10 or so Garretts. No problems yet.

I would recommend their Scout mount. It's easy to install, and seems to be stable enough to handle the recoil of full power loads.

And I'm totally sold on the Scout Scope system. Both eyes open is absolutely the way to go. And on a big bore, you have no worries about getting smacked by the scope...

Pertinax

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Originally posted by pertinax:
Re: Ashley Mount

If you mean the Scout Scope mount, I have one and it works fine. I have Warne QD rings, on a Leupold Scout Scope w/ German #4 reticle. I have probably fifty rounds through the gun after I mounted the scope; 40 Remington regular rounds, and 10 or so Garretts. No problems yet.

I would recommend their Scout mount. It's easy to install, and seems to be stable enough to handle the recoil of full power loads.

And I'm totally sold on the Scout Scope system. Both eyes open is absolutely the way to go. And on a big bore, you have no worries about getting smacked by the scope...

Pertinax

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Pertinax,

I have a few additional questions.

1. Was the Ashley Scout Scope System very easy to install?
2. I am looking at the Leupold M8 IER 2X scout scope. Is this the scope you have but with a different reticle?
3. What is the German #4 reticle like? Is it better than the standard Duplex that comes with the scope?
4. Where did you purchase the Warne QD Rings? Which model did you buy?
5. Did you buy the low, medium or high rings?

Thanks very much!

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Originally posted by Canuck:
Fellow forumites,

I recently put the Leupold QRW mounts on my 416 Taylor and 375 H&H. After 10 shots with my 416, the channel in the Weaver bases are already smooshed forward.