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Originally posted by Ray B:
This may seem like a dumb question, but since I know very little about the Blaser I guess I could be considered dumb, regardless, here's the question:
How far is the bolt handle moved to accomplish the initial extraction of the cartridge? To clarify, the initial extraction of a cartridge in a turnbolt action (90 degree lift) is the 2-3" movement of the end of the bolt handle that moves the cartridge the 1/16th" or so, out of the chamber- that is, breaking the seal that the cartridge has with the chamber resulting from the firing.

Most bolt guns have a camming effect that begins the rearward movement of the bolt before it is actually in line to draw the bolt backward.
Mausers have a little ramp at the rear of the bridge. Mannlichers do this too but I don't see where the ramp is.
Also, the shape of the cartridge has some to do with initial case grip as well as metallurgy of the case and the barrel chamber as well as condition of the chamber etc.
My impression is that brass doesn't have much adhesion to the chamber after it is fired so maybe not much of a consideration with modern sporting ammunition.
I understand what you are asking though - just as a taper can most easily be released by rotation and not an axial pull.
My guess is that there is a mechanical pivot built into the Blaser action to get the initial extraction going.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

quote:

Originally posted by Ray B:
This may seem like a dumb question, but since I know very little about the Blaser I guess I could be considered dumb, regardless, here's the question:
How far is the bolt handle moved to accomplish the initial extraction of the cartridge? To clarify, the initial extraction of a cartridge in a turnbolt action (90 degree lift) is the 2-3" movement of the end of the bolt handle that moves the cartridge the 1/16th" or so, out of the chamber- that is, breaking the seal that the cartridge has with the chamber resulting from the firing.

Most bolt guns have a camming effect that begins the rearward movement of the bolt before it is actually in line to draw the bolt backward.
Mausers have a little ramp at the rear of the bridge. Mannlichers do this too but I don't see where the ramp is.
Also, the shape of the cartridge has some to do with initial case grip as well as metallurgy of the case and the barrel chamber as well as condition of the chamber etc.
My impression is that brass doesn't have much adhesion to the chamber after it is fired so maybe not much of a consideration with modern sporting ammunition.
I understand what you are asking though - just as a taper can most easily be released by rotation and not an axial pull.
My guess is that there is a mechanical pivot built into the Blaser action to get the initial extraction going.

Much less than a traditional bolt. Blaser is fast to use when you get used to it.

If you practice a little you will be able to recycle a round into the chamber with the recoil push and be ready to shoot as the gun settles back in.

I was able to put my safet shot into a mule deer as it was bucking from the first shot.

Most guys on the European driven wild boar circuit use a Blaser.

Mike

I would not own any rifle where the bolt lock into the barrel.

In Australia a gunsmith (and I assume the same is other countries) converts the Sauer so it can be chambered and threaded for any barrel. If done like they did to a rifle called an Omark in Australia the original barrel is cut off at the chamber and then becomes part of the action.

I certainly think for barre; changing and where you can't resight the Blaser is better with the scope on the barrel.

But I want to be able to bed a rifle, fit any type of barrel etc.

The Blaser is good for the bloke who is happy with good results out of the box and does not mind something that is as ugly as sin. They are really fucked up to look at

Not a big fan of the way a Blaser looks, but.... I have a David Miller rifle, two Echols Legends, a Penrod, Goudy, Goens- love them all. But I find myself grabbing the Blaser more and more, almost exclusively now, particularly when traveling (which is often, since I hate sitting in whitetail stands). The takedown aspect, being significantly shorter, excellent safety, spectacular trigger, and unfailing, unfussy accuracy all make it a hard package to beat, despite not looking like a classic Jack O’Connor rifle. Pretty much replicate dogcat’s feelings on this.

Addendum- I think the R93 is problematic. I think the issues brought up by others are real. The R8, on the other hand, is probably the strongest action out there. Major differences between the two, all of which make the R8 stronger. There have been zero reports of R8 failure.

Consider the operation of two actions: Winchesters Model 70 and 94. Grasping the knob of the bolt handle, it is lifted up, a movement of nearly three inches. The rearward movement of the bolt during this process is a small fraction of an inch. The leverage ratio is quite substantial. Then the bolt is pulled to the rear with a 1 to 1 knob to bolt movement. with the 94 the lever is grasped and pivoted downward. The first inch of travel causes the locking lugs to drop and the bolt starts moving to the rear. Further pivoting of the lever moves the bolt to the rearward position. The 94 does not have the camming power to deal with cases resistant to removal from the chamber. While the Blaser may have some system to develop the camming power of the 70, from appearances, it seems to resemble the operation of the 94 more so than the 70.

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Originally posted by Cardinal 2012:
Not a big fan of the way a Blaser looks, but.... I have a David Miller rifle, two Echols Legends, a Penrod, Goudy, Goens- love them all. But I find myself grabbing the Blaser more and more, almost exclusively now, particularly when traveling (which is often, since I hate sitting in whitetail stands). The takedown aspect, being significantly shorter, excellent safety, spectacular trigger, and unfailing, unfussy accuracy all make it a hard package to beat, despite not looking like a classic Jack O’Connor rifle. Pretty much replicate dogcat’s feelings on this.

+1

And I think the non wood Blasers look pretty cool.

The success stock is amazing.

Mike

quote:

Originally posted by Cardinal 2012:
Addendum- I think the R93 is problematic. I think the issues brought up by others are real. The R8, on the other hand, is probably the strongest action out there. Major differences between the two, all of which make the R8 stronger. There have been zero reports of R8 failure.

The R8 is a different gun and it is amazingly well engineered. 200k plus psi. None of the r93 issues in the R8.

Mike

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

And I think the non wood Blasers look pretty cool.

Mike

NO. They don't!



They're just a different type of UGLY.



Think of the wood Blasers as an ugly fat chick and the non-wood as just an ugly chick. Back in my clubbing days, we looked after our friends when they got a little inebriated or just plain lonely and lowered their mating standards. True friends would intervene and not allow their buddy to hook up with the ugly chicks.



I'm just trying to be a friend Mike and keep you from future embarrassment and regret.

Had one receiver with 5-6 barrels. was fun, was accurate. I got it out of my system and made money selling it.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:

And I think the non wood Blasers look pretty cool.

Mike

NO. They don't!



They're just a different type of UGLY.



Think of the wood Blasers as an ugly fat chick and the non-wood as just an ugly chick. Back in my clubbing days, we looked after our friends when they got a little inebriated or just plain lonely and lowered their mating standards. True friends would intervene and not allow their buddy to hook up with the ugly chicks.



I'm just trying to be a friend Mike and keep you from future embarrassment and regret.

Next you know you will be saying mean things about Tesla cars

Change is tough. Old ways die hard.


Mike

Blaser's are a metrosexual delight.
A real man will not be hornswoggled by such trash.
Does a Blaser shooter carry a man purse?
Like a possibles bag but with no powder horn?

Rkip ...

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
Blaser's are a metrosexual delight.
A real man will not be hornswoggled by such trash.
Does a Blaser shooter carry a man purse?
Like a possibles bag but with no powder horn?

Rkip ...

Always and full of $$$$ like a Beijing high roller in Macau

Blaser man purse

http://www.blaser-usagear.com/...aspx?&itemID=BUS1002

Mike

How precious!

Rip ...

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:

And I think the non wood Blasers look pretty cool.

Mike

NO. They don't!



They're just a different type of UGLY.



Think of the wood Blasers as an ugly fat chick and the non-wood as just an ugly chick. Back in my clubbing days, we looked after our friends when they got a little inebriated or just plain lonely and lowered their mating standards. True friends would intervene and not allow their buddy to hook up with the ugly chicks.



I'm just trying to be a friend Mike and keep you from future embarrassment and regret.

Next you know you will be saying mean things about Tesla cars

Change is tough. Old ways die hard.


Mike

You are dead right my friend.

I will never touch the bloody things, as long as I can buy a petrol drinking BMW!