I find guns that use to hurt, don't hurt.
Is this because the nerves in your shoulder area start to become numb, or do think it is because you just start to get better technique the more you shoot heavy kicking rifle?
Just a thought. I went from normal like most hunter/shooters in the midwest, to now thinking the 375 h&h and ruger feels no different than the first 270 I owned. shooting heavy loads in my marlin 45-70 use to be an experience reserved for pranking people and waking my self up and now it's perfectly comfortable off the bench. my 375 calibers no longer need a super squishy pad and no longer need to weight 10 lbs.

My weight hasn't changed and muscle to fat ratio hasn't changed, but something has.

Expectations.

you become accustomed to recoil .. it still kicks, but you are trained to understand it

What I understand is that if something kicks the hell out of me and it hurts, I don't want to shoot that one anymore.

lol intelligence! You're definitely in the wrong forum area.



Chuck

gentlemen ..
the military switched to the 5.56 partially due to the recoil of the m14 ... recoil of a 308? LMAO ... that's like recoil from a 375 ...

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the military switched to the 5.56 partially due to the recoil of the m14 ... recoil of a 308? LMAO

Not the pain of the recoil......the controlability while firing full auto.

Uhhh . . .

Would you please repeat the question?

I went to a Dr. about my shoulder he said I have
arthritis in my shoulder. The only you can get arthritis is if it came from knocking your bones
out of place Temporary.

Jeff,

Try a few hundred full auto rounds out of that M14 in an hour or so, and the comment on the recoil. Hell just shoot off 240 rounds full auto through an AK as fast as you can stuff magazines into it (you might want to wear a well insulated glove on our offhand).

Money is why the military changed to 308 from 30-06 and even more so why then again changed to the 5.56X45 NATO.

Regarding the original question, I believe it is all in conditioning. I can still feel a poorly held medium bore go off (sometimes ).

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
gentlemen ..
the military switched to the 5.56 partially due to the recoil of the m14 ... recoil of a 308? LMAO ... that's like recoil from a 375 ...

When that decision was made the military still conscripted. Now it is a volunteer force but most don't have shooting experience and the military doesn't have the time and resources to make them truly proficient.

They've also found that suppressed M16s, issued to remedial marksmanship classes, will result in extremely high scores.

When my oldest son started Basic in May 08 only a handful of the recruits in his bay had ever handled a rifle. Needless to say some scary incidents ensued. In one case a trainee started to field strip an M240 machine gun while the belt (thankfully blanks) was still in. The gun empties the entire belt in the bay scaring the bjesus out of everyone.

My two sons are bot excellent shots, been shooting from an early age and have great gun safety. My oldest entered the 3rd Ranger Batallion in Oct 08 and graduates from Ranger School class 03-2010 today...

A proud Dad,

Chuck

I started my shooting career at age 8 years, with a 12 gauge shotgun that put a big grin on my face when Pop picked me up off the ground after he caught the Ted Williams pump in mid air.
Pop would not let 6 year-old little bro' shoot it after he saw that, and 9 year-old bigger bro' was too sissy to try. I think he was back at the house playing with dolls.
Real boys were chucking rocks into the air to get bats to dive so Pop and Uncle Ralph could practice their wing shooting skills on the bats, one summer eve down Woodbury, KY way,
"down by the Green River where Paradise lay" ... "and the air smelled like snakes" ... would that be cucumbers?
We shot pistols too.
Herschel House builds flintlocks a few miles from there.
FWIW, bears smell like skunks.


I scored 299 out of 300 at age 17 in Army basic training with an M16 "22."
I think it was rigged. They put a lock on that last 300 meter silouhette so it would not fall.
Either that, or the 300th bullet went through the same hole as the others I fired, and the hole was finally enlarged enough not to register that last shot.
I was the only "Expert" in the lot.
Most of those city-boy-non-squirrel-hunters couldn't hit the 100 meter silouhettes more often than not.
I think a suppressor would have helped them.

Yes, it is conditioning, attitude, technique learned, all of that.
It is mostly just being "willing," and not wanting to play with "toy" dolls.

I grew up in the city type atmosphere, but did have some woods, I was shooting 39-40 out of 40. the 300 meter targets were a hell of a lot easier to hit than the 50 meter target. I had to aim at the ground in front of the 50 meter to hit it. with the 300 meter, at least you have a target to put your site on, the head. In basic we shot at actual distances. in the regular unit, you only shoot at 50 yards, but the silhouettes are different sizes to simulate the target at longer distances. I actually score better on the pop-up targets at real distances than the crappy 50 yard paper targets.

It is very luck that your popup at 300 meters had so many holes, that it didn't register a hit.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
you become accustomed to recoil .. it still kicks, but you are trained to understand it

+1

You rattle your brain frequently enough and it stops registering pain.......

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
gentlemen ..
the military switched to the 5.56 partially due to the recoil of the m14 ... recoil of a 308? LMAO ... that's like recoil from a 375 ...

I had an original Devine TX M1A that hurt worse than my .300 RUM. Traded it on a Dakota.

Chiros love big bore shooters. Realigning all those cervical vertebrae keeps them in business.

It's kinda like eating Japapeno's. You just keep coming back for more. And then somewhere along the line the jalapeno's just don't quite have that kick anymore.

Btw, nerves getting dull? Nahhh. That's just the tendons stretching!

what shoulder I have not been able to feel my shoulder since i bought my 458