Ed or sharps

Please give me the contact information for them. RNS

Speaking for myself, I'd rather go with Wells. Not to knock Bauska, but I just like Wells's big bore reputation and experience, especially where there's no big difference in price.

RNS: Just got your message; sorry but the cell phone stays in the car all weekend so I didn't see it 'til this evening. Also. the e-mail you used is work so I'll check that tomorrow ASAP. Thanks.

I would like to get in on this. Barrel, dies and bullets. Sign me up!

John

I will be out for two days if I can sneaking some time on the lap top from the hotel I will,

Thanks JKS #8 Send me some contact information.

RNS

I'm not real particular on the barrels, be advised that the Bauska blanks are BIG. if you get a pure blank unthreaded or taped it is just $50 but I never checked on his prices for tapered or threaded as I have access to all the tooling to do it locally. His phone number is 406 752 7706 it is a Montana number. I will be looking to buy a barrel, reamer, dies and components but will have the gunsmithing done locally as it is free
Jason

Ok inspections is over with. Now Back to the important stuff.

John at bridge Bullets has completed some samples of his bullets and I should have them in a few days. Thanks John for you help!

On tuesday of next week Dan Penderson should have the bullets to review and plug into his formula to determine the twist.

When the bullets get back from Dan they go to Dave Manson reamer who will work out the throating for this cartridge and produce a print of the reamer. RNS

Wayne Doudna is interested in providing cast bullets for this round. Before he can price 'em he needs specifics. I've shot his big .577s and some .470s with good results to 1800 fps. He feels his plain base bullets can go to 2000 fps without leading which is more than I wanted anyway. The question is, what weight/profile bullet do we want? Looking at NEI's web site, numbers 376A, 378F & 378E (.512 section) look good to me but this ought to have group input from those interested. Wayne says #387 in the .543 section should drop from the mould large enough to size and that's the cheapest option but it looked like a jammer to me. For the record I checked LBT as well but their site states point blank no custom work. Any comments appreciated!

[ 10-22-2003, 00:39: Message edited by: tigertate ]

as someone that shoots wayne's bullets on a weekly basis...

in my 500 jeffe, i go 2300 with no leading
in my 458 win, 2500,

both with gas checks

you should be able to run these 2200 with lead, no problem

jeffe

I would like a cast also about 700gr and I like the WFN (wide flat nose design) RNS

I meant to post this some time ago, but, but, but.

When confronted with the prospect of stocking a .458 Lott or heavier class of cartridge, regardless of the action, consideration of the shooter assumes primary importance. We need to give you something to hang on to.

You can fit a remarkably heavy banger into a small slim stock and the wood (especially a laminate) would probably manage it, but the shooter might not enjoy the experience.

We looked a some of the serious BIG bores (.505 Gibbs class) that come through our shop and talked with a few folks with experience is this area and decided we needed a new geometry to base the stock upon. In keeping with the current theme and considering the Serengeti line, we've begun development on the "Rhino".

In CAD, this begins as a Merlin for the open grip. The heel is dropped about an inch. The forend widened to two inches with added depth and appropriate "tumble-home" toware the barrel channel. The grip is expanded to match as is the width of the buttstock. Almost like adding a 3/8" plank in the center of a Merlin Laminate.

Buttstock width will expand from 1.5" t 1.875" and the heel to toe expands from roughly 4.75 to 5.25 for increased area under the pad.

All specs are very fluid just now and input is welcome. Actions planned are: CZ550 Safari, M1999 Long Action, Sako M995, and the M1999 PH when it becomes available. However, we can often fit a custom action into a geometry for for a reasonable fee. Prices will be the same as for our other stocks www.acrabondlaminates.com

best regards,

Rod

[ 10-23-2003, 16:33: Message edited by: Rod@Acrabond ]

For what it's worth, on a really big boomer I like a forend that lets me get my fingers on some barrel steel. I have a much better grip for recoil control that way versus just holding wood.

RNS,
You should have the samples today or tomorrow at the latest. There are 5 600 gr and 5 700 gr. After 700 gr I think length would be a problem but you can see what I mean for yourself once you get them. Turning an 800 gr is not a problem but it would be somewhere around 1.670 long which I feel would eat into case capacity far too much unless you let is stick way out and you would need a very large action and mag box to do that.
JMHO
John

Here is a picture of a 600 gr and a 700 gr .550 caliber.
John

John,

Thanks to you and RNS for all of your good work and collaboration.

Those slugs are beautiful! What a meplat! Do you have the SD on the 700 grainer? To my mind, that's the one to use for this round.

When I get my .550 Mag. put together, I'll put a Hawk 0.065 jacketed 700 grain soft on top of your solids for buff. For lions, 0.035 700 grain jacketed softs; and for elephant, white rhino and hippo, your 700 grain solids only.

I love this project!!!

Mrlexma,
SD on that one is .330. I will be turning some from solid copper this weekend at 800 gr (SD .378). I am going the copper route because I want to keep the length as short as I can. These will deform slightly on impact but still be a good performing solid. I'll post pictures when I get them done.
John

I like

RNS

fritz454... what is the included angle on the noses? RNS... ~2330 with a 700 grainer.

SD 600 gr. ~ 0.2833
SD 700 gr. ~ 0.3305
SD 800 gr. ~ 0.3778

Today I sent 20 case for the first headstamping.

I also sent some bullets and cases to the reamer maker Dave Manson.

The Reamer should take four week to get after a final print is approved. The headstamp bunter has been ordered and is expected in two weeks. I will post a pic of the headstamp when I get them back. RNS

[ 10-25-2003, 23:23: Message edited by: RNS ]

Well gentleman we did it our minium barrel order has been reached and the tooling is on order...

Dan has been getting emails from people not responding to this forum asking about this project.

Thanks to everyone. RNS

I need to put together an approx bullet order for hawk.

$54.00 a box 700gr .035 jacket 17 boxes
$56.00 a box 800gr .035 jacket 1 boxes
any combination 6 box min since he does not keep them in stock. with as many shooters as we could get on this they may turn into a stocked item.

$67.00 a box 700gr .065 jacket 3 boxes
$69.00 a box 800gr .065 jacket

3 box min mixed order.

$.02 per bullet to put a crimp grove any where we want.

As far as bullet weight goes He said the way they are set up we can order from one extreme to the other 500gr-900gr

I think the 700gr .035 jacket is the place to start with a few 800gr

thanks RNS

[ 11-05-2003, 20:14: Message edited by: RNS ]

When John at Bridger Bullets is up and running we will put together an order from him. RNS

RNS,

Great news. Way to keep up the momentum. Put me down for the following from Hawk:

3 Boxes @ 50 bullets per box -- 700 gr., 0.035" jacket, with cannelure .550" from base @ $54.00 each plus $3.00 for cannelures = $165.00.

3 Boxes @ 50 bullets per box -- 700 gr., 0.065" jacket, with cannelure .550" from base @ $67.00 each plus $3.00 for cannelures = $204.00.

Total $369.00. Just tell me when to send payment to Hawk.

I guess I'll have to use a permanent marker of some kind to mark the noses of the 0.035" jacketed slugs to distinguish them by sight from the ones with 0.065" jackets.

I think I will start with just
2 x $54.00 a box 700gr .035 jacket
with the crimp grooves for $110 total.
Just let me know where and when to send the money.
Jason

Has anyone looked into having a bullet mold made for cast bullets yet?
Jason

Sharps: I am talking to Wayne Doudna about providing cast bullets. He says they'll cost around $.20 each plus cost to tool up. A little further up I posted some NEI bullet profiles for consideration by the potential cast bullet users. Please put in your input if you wish. Right now RNS and I were thinking of 700 grains with a flat meplat. Unless someone can make .550 gas checks, it looks as though it will be plain based. I was planning to wait until Cut Rifle finalizes tooling and produces some barrels before the final go-ahead to Wayne.

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[ 10-28-2003, 20:18: Message edited by: tigertate ]

Tigertate,
I read that last week and then skipped to the bottom today. Sounds like you have it under control, 700 gr flat nose is what I would look for.
Jason

this is the bullet you guys want, for cast... have it scaled down to 550



i want this in 535 for my 500, or 600gr

jeffe

I'll try out 2 boxes 700 gr .035 w/ cannelure
ans 1 box 800 grain .035 w/ cannelure.

John

That looks pretty good. here is another similar candidate with a slightly different nose. I'm a little concerned about the Keith style shoulder and feeding. Also, what I really need is a max COL so we know what nose length is acceptable. Are we looking at same as 460 Weatherby RNS? Other comments or suggestions more than welcome.


Please factor in that this is a custom cherry so features can be swapped as desired.

[ 10-29-2003, 03:29: Message edited by: tigertate ]

tigertate
Col with a 3" case and a 800gr hawk is 3.830" that is the longest one. The 700gr hawk and bridger solids end up 3.800-3.810".

I talked to a friend of the family and he is strictly a cast bullet hunter and shooter. He recommends the LBT style with a wide nose. Last weekend he filled his deer tag with a 285gr .375 cast and had a frontal shot penetrated 18 inches and smashed the spine on the way out the back.

If this is going to cost for the mold we all could chip in to help cost. Even 25 bucks would add up or more if needed. RNS

Thanks for the data. It's too early to say for sure but if we can get a 1000 or 2000 cast bullet order (in the aggregate) there may not be much of a tooling charge.

something like this should do the job. RNS

RNS-I will take two boxes of .035 jacket from
Hawk, with a cannelure at .550 from base.Let us know where to put the bucks.And it is great we have the numbers of barrels needed to get tooling going for 550 cal at Cut Rifle.This
is a great grassroots wildcat project, that really has taken off like the OK did.And
brass to do it is easy to get.

And here is a thought for you to have Dave do
for dies.Alot of guys will just get 480 brass and anneal and expand,So with this being a 3 die set,
the extra being a mouth belling die, just have him make an expander rod to screw into the
belling die for those who do it that way.Save bucks by not making unneccessary dies.Once annealed the 460 expands easy.Just like the one I
did and posted picture on here to start with, and then sent to you.Ed.

RNS,All--Now also if anyone wants 460 brass made into 550 I will do a couple boxes each, for the first ten guys, if they pay shipping.I have expanders all set up.Ed.

Ed
I will put you down for 700gr, if you want 800gr let me know.RNS

Ed



Expander #1.510"
#2.540"

RNS

[ 11-01-2003, 08:24: Message edited by: RNS ]

This is the dies set that will be needed to expand 460 Weatherby cases to 550 magnum. This die set will load all three lenghts of cases #1 460 weatherby resized and fire formed. #2 Bell basic 2.92" which will only need to be loaded. #3 3.00" basic which will only need to be loaded.

These dies are going to be a 1" die body, 7/8 are available but the 1" die body has alittle exta meat in the die. RNS