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A few months ago, I purchased a NIB MRC in 458 Win Mag. To my dismay, the rifle bolt would not close when the safety was in full fire mode. On half safe, the bolt would close on the round and the safety could be pushed to fire and the rifle would fire. I sent the rifle back to MRC and two weeks later it came back fixed. Haha. They didn't do anything to it. I made a phone video of the rifle with 3 down in the mag and on full fire and how the bolt would correctly pick up a round and feed it in but would not close. I then went through the whole mag and the bolt would never close. I then sent the video and the rifle back. Its been a few months now and there is no word, even though customer service has promised, daily, that I would know soon. Anyone else had this problem? Thanks RC Repeal the Hughes Amendment. | ||
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My dealing with their customer service was terrible. I haven't shot mine yet but everything works fine. | |||
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I'm trying to figure out what would cause this to happen. Does the bolt close on an empty chamber when the safety is in fire position? | |||
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Yes. My guess is that it wasn’t chambered properly and headspace on belt is just too tight. The bolt face is a little looser on half safe and more forgiving RC Repeal the Hughes Amendment. | |||
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Personally I would not own one although there are a few good ones out there. All the specimens I have examined (15-20) in local stores in Montana have been sloppy examples of proper fit. Lay out big bores from different mfgs. on the gun counter and compare. Most others like CZ, Winchester, Dakota, even Ruger RSM win hands down. Send any of them to Wayne at AHR for an up grade and you will have a great DG rifle. Just my 2 cents. Maybe MRC will get it right one day. Tetonka DRSS | |||
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I purchased a V2 in 458 lott earlier this year. My only complaint was the crumbs of stock material left in the gun. The crumbs could have made trouble with the trigger. The rifle chambers and fires the CEB flat points just fine, if I follow the seating depth on the CEB website. If I seat the bullets out (fine with the magazine length and no contact with the rifling) I get feeding problems. Nice rifle, works well, but the sub 9 pound weight makes it kick like a mule with full power loads. | |||
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MRC rifles are rough and sloppy. I'd avoid them in general. I have seen several that were made into very nice rifles after some intensive spit and polish by a good gun smith. But from the factory they are rather rough. | |||
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Buddy of mine that's a smith, said they could get them real cheap back in school (This was before they made rifles, just actions and barreled actions) but avoided them because they frequently needed a lot of work If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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I purchased the rifle Brand New from a dealer on gunbroker.com The laws for Ohio deer hunting have recently changed to include rifles chambered with no shoulder. I have used my 450NE in a Ruger #1 but I thought the 458 WM with its shorter case would be better for the 300-350g bullets I would use for deer and I could use a stainless composite stocked bolt action for once. I bought it plenty in advance, but at this rate I might not have it for deer gun season which is for one week just following Thanksgiving and I haven't had time for any load development. RC Repeal the Hughes Amendment. | |||
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As a lefty, My CRF options in DG calibers are rather limited. I picked one up this year in .375 H&H. It is the v2. I too, had heard all the horror stories. Mine (knock on wood) is fine and tight. It was recently reamed out to .375 Weatherby. It shoots fast and fine. I have a .458 Lott on order with my dealer. I have low expectations honestly for it. We will see if lighting strikes twice. | |||
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My guess is the problem is in the sear/trigger/safety area. If it chambers fine with safety in middle position then headspace is good. | |||
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Being some what familiar with rcasto's problems, i tend to agree with Bitterroot. Paul K Take Trophies - Leave Brass | |||
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My gunsmith had a couple of early MRC actions with soft cocking piece metal. Caused a "hard cocking" or increased effort to close the action. Heat treat issue I reckon? Deforming of the camming surfaces made poor function? He returned the actions and got a fix. I imagine something like that could be involved with a sear/trigger/safety area problem. Bummer if they did not fix it first time around. Rip . | |||
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The bolt closes very easily on an empty chamber with safety in full fire mode RC Repeal the Hughes Amendment. | |||
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I have a 505 Gibbs built on a Stainless Steel MRC Professional Hunter action. My gunsmith had no issues with the action - it didnt require much finish work. Gun functions flawlessly. Maybe I got lucky. Best thing about the Professional Hunter in my opinion is that it has a proper bolt face for the Gibbs case. I've looked at a few of their finished rifles and they looked nice too but I didnt cycle them. | |||
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I can say the same thing about the stainless PH I had made into a .408 Chey-Tac: Excellent. I suspect the later production has gotten all the bugs out, certainly hope so! Obviously I have no idea what is going on with rcasto's problem rifle.  Hope he gets it fixed and lets us know. Rip . | |||
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Dang. I had a question about these as I thought about getting one of these new in 378 Weatherby. I am going to look elsewhere now. Thanks. | |||
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I have one of their SCR (Seven Continents Rifle) in .416 Rigby. It feeds and fires great. Very accurate too. I thought it was finished well. As a side note, I painted the stock, changed out the Marble sights for those nice NECG Masterpiece Banded Ramp front sight, Masterpiece Fully Adjustable rear sight, and added a Talley barrel band sling mount. Fully finished, I think it would have cost me more than twice as much to have this gun custom built. My only complaint is with the safety. It goes from fire to safe just fine, but there is a significant amount of resistance going from safe to fire, like two surfaces that are not fitted well. I have been meaning to send it in for service. Would I buy it again? Yes. I really like it. Was it it perfect out of the box? No. http://montanarifleco.com/?page_id=186  | |||
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Mine is awesome so far. It shoots.58” with my first break in/ seating depth hand loads. That is using fresh brass. It’s sweet. | |||
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Finally received just the action. Ordered it in May. Was told August. Made a mistake & paid for it when I ordered it. Heard nothing but lies & excuses so asked for my money back. Four hours later the boss calls & offered me some one else action. I received It a few days latter & it is fine. I like the features of this action. Both Mauser & Winchester. I built a 260 Remington on their shot action years ago when they first came out. It has a Obermeyer barrel & really shoots. It's the best shooting hunting rifle I've ever seen. | |||
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My 550 Gibbs, build on the PH action worksb great! | |||
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I have finally heard something regarding my rifle. The following was emailed to me 11/28/2017. The email must be slow because today is 11/30/2017 and I have yet to see the video. ********* Hi Randy, Looks like the gunsmith’s had to open the bolt face just a tiny bit and it looks like it’s chambering fine. I’ll send you a video of me chambering a round first thing in the morning. RC Repeal the Hughes Amendment. | |||
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Very interesting. Keep us posted please, on your .458 WinMag. If it were mine it would be a .458WinMagHotrod.  Anyone who claims the .458 Winchester Magnum is ineffective has either not tried one, or is suffering from .458 Winchester Magnum Derangement Syndrome. Rip... | |||
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I had them build me a 425 WR on a 1999 action, worst rifle I've ever had built. They used so much Loctite that there where lumps of it in the chamber, and I get 1-2 reloads then head separating. Don't know if this is the rifle or the Bertram brass Member NRA, NFA,CSSA,DSC,SCI,AFGA | |||
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I've got a V2 stainless .375 that feeds functions and shoots just fine, little heavy with a scope on it but with the skinner peep now I'm darn happy with it. | |||
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dopeydave, How much does it weigh, bare and empty, in .375 H&H?  "V2 - EXTREME VANTAGE RIFLE The Extreme Vantage V2 Rifle is our big game all weather rifle offered in 100% stainless steel barreled actions. The V2 is set in our *New* Montana synthetic stock made out of the finest Carbon Fiber material with Kevlar Reinforcing in the aluminum pillars, swivel stud attachments and all strength areas finished with glass bedding." They make it in .458 Win.Mag. and .458 Lott. A .458 Win.Mag. with the .458 Lott box would be The Cat's Meow. Somewhat lighter than the PH-actioned rifle with +4-inch internal box length. I have one of those stainless PH actions with MRC's walnut stock, and it only weighs 10.5 lbs, bare/empty, .408 Chey-Tac, custom. Hey, that might handle a long-seat/LongCOL .458 Lott to full advantage, as long as the Lott had a Win.Mag. throat, and if the PH action had an H&H boltface. Anyone who claims the .458 Winchester Magnum is ineffective has either not tried one, or is suffering from .458 Winchester Magnum Derangement Syndrome. Rip... | |||
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RIP, I see no one replied with the weights on the 375. However on the 458 Lott: Weight with steel mounts 7# 15oz. Add Fastfire 3 and 3 rounds 8# 6 1/4 oz. Maybe this helps a little. | |||
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Arniet, That is even better. I was going to have to estimate the .458 Lott weight by subtracting 4 to 8 oz. from the .375 H&H weight. Now I do not have to guesstimate. That is light! Thanks. http://montanarifleco.com/?page_id=182 Rip ... | |||
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I had 3 MRC rifles, now I have 2. The 375 H&H was a V2. It was very accurate but I could never get very good velocities from my handloads out of it, seemed to run 100-150 fps below normal. It was bulky, cumbersome and heavy (at least to me). I sold it and replaced it with a Ruger Guide Gun in 375 Ruger. The two I have now are V2's in 300 H&H and 7x57. The 300 H&H shot sub MOA right out of the box with normal velocities. The 7x57 was a problem child. Good velocities and accuracy from my handloads but it had a wandering zero. I would zero the rifle and leave the barrel uncleaned. Next range session, the first shot from a cold barrel would be (for example) 3" left and 1" high at 100 yards. The wandering zero persisted until about the 80 round mark. The zero now does not change. I think the barrel needed a longer break-in period. The two issues I have with both rifles are sort of OCD appearance issues. The the uneven depth of the stamping of the left side the receiver looks lame and is the same on all the MRC rifles I have looked at. The second issue is that the trigger does not set deeply enough in the trigger guard. https://imgur.com/u7MWbpx Both rifles are keepers, YMMV. | |||
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Break in?? What are you "breaking in" and how does it affect accuracy? | |||
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I must be missing something. I looked at the picture and I can't see what's amiss? D/R Hunter Correct bullet placement, combined with the required depth of bullet penetration, results in an anchored animal... | |||
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Barrel break-in could be a whole separate thread. Everyone has their own views on the subject and it can get very contentious. Accuracy was not the issue; the wandering zero was the issue. On a new rifle, sometimes it takes some rounds thru the barrel to eliminate the imperfections produced in the bore by the manufacturing process. Some more, some less. Do a search in the Reloading section for "barrel break in". You will reach information overload very quickly. | |||
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Wayne York at Oregunsmithing LLC - Pendleton is building rifle for me based on MRC PH Action. I chose this action because it is a little bit larger and I hope stronger. It will allow a little bit longer COAL too. It will be fitted with Pac-Nor barrel, synthetic stock with mercury recoil reducer, NECC open sights and Leupold VX-6HD 1-6x24mm scope in QD rings. Action and barrel in stainless steel + cerakote. I just hope I didn't chose wrong. http://www.585he.cz/ Jiri | |||
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Utmost accuracy is all important in benchrest competition. Accuracy starts to decrease from the first shot fired. A lapped barrel needs no break in. The machining fluff in the throat is what people shoot and clean to "break in" their barrel. Why do that as it only contributes to fouling and not accuracy. Take a bronze cleaning brush, wrap 0000 steel wool around it. Use an electric drill to lap the tooling fluff in the throat for about 10 seconds. Now your barrel is broken in. Yes, I have studied this for close to 40 years and have read all of the various theories on this. It works for me and I spend no time wasting reloading supplies, time, or factory ammo. | |||
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The steel wool trick is something I do with every new rifle I get, I use Flitz polishing compound and do the chamber as well as the throat. I have looked down many rifle barrels, some new, some not, with a bore scope. Some of what you see is truly appalling. The CZ big bores I have had were very rough, lots of tool marks on the lands at the muzzle, copper fouled like crazy. They all shot just fine, you just had a lot of copper fouling to deal with. | |||
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I have a semi-custom one in .404J. Bought it from an AR member. It is in an Accurate Inovations wood stock, previous owner had some gunsmithing done, feeds smooth and flawlessly. It handles great and is accurate. Shot an elephant in Zim with it. It is on my short list as a keeper. I like it very much. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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I don't shoot factory rifles. Mine have quality lapped barrels. Can't speak to the factory barrels. | |||
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I have a Montana “Friends Of The NRA” commemorative one of 1150 in 300 Win mag. Never had a single problem with it. The fit and finish is fine and accuracy is very good. The trigger needed no adjustment out of the box and it shoots every load I’ve tried sub MOA. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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MRC, bless their hearts, they need a proof-reader for their barrel stamping/engraving. I find the MRC X2 in 26 Nosler chambering to be a delightful rifle with 2.5# trigger-pull right out of the box. http://montanarifleco.com/?page_id=180  But there is a slight problem with spelling on the barrel stamping:    Ah, well ... when the barrel is shot out and replaced, the next barrel might have correct spelling for the chambering designation. I will see how the bolt face and magazine box work with ".458 Winchester Magnum Longclaw." That will require a Lott of spelling ... Rip ... | |||
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Looks like a collector's item to me! haha Nice rifle. | |||
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