here's a couple of them on each side of .338 Win Mag for reference.

I'm surprised Ruger/Horndy passed this by but a few are being made anyway.....this should obsolete the .416 Taylor easily!

2400'/sec with a 400 grain bullet is easy with the .375 Ruger case. It fits easily in a Mauser VZ-24!!

Been doing some feed work with those .416 Rugers?
Have any of them been fireformed yet?

pretty cool looking round..

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Originally posted by RIP:
Been doing some feed work with those .416 Rugers?
Have any of them been fireformed yet?

I'm looking for someone to do the rails work now as I don't like to learn these things with other people's guns.

Fireforming isn't necessary as the headspace gauge is the same for the .375 Ruger as the 416 Ruger.....at least that's the case with this round.

Dear Vapodog:

For the feed rail work why don't you try Mr. Dennis Olsen in Montana. Ray Atkinson had him set up a 416 Ruger for him.

I am in the process of turning my 416 Taylor project into a 416 Ruger, using an Oberndorf 1908 Brazilian. I am using the original magazine.

After doing all the feed rail and feed ramp work, and using a junked 1898 Mauser bottom metal as template, it appears that with the original magazine sides cut in the corners and spread as far as possible, the break over point of the cartridges for proper feeding is too early. This happens during a slow cycling of the bolt, using 416-375 Ruger dummy cartridges identical to yours.

When the bolt is cycled at moderate or fast speeds, the feeding is fine.

It appears the cartridges break over about .250 to .300 inches too early.

After measuring the maximum potential box dimensions against my list of original commmercial pre-WW-II box dimensions, it appears that I will have to cut out most the sides (window) and weld on some 1/32" sheet steel, thereby widening the box to accommodate the Ruger case.

I'll tell you how this works when it is completed.

Of course, if you are using a bigger aftermarket magazine, then you may not have these problems.

Lastly, I will machine the original follower to allow the last case to sit down as far as possible, too.

Sincerely,

Chris Bemis

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Fireforming isn't necessary as the headspace gauge is the same for the .375 Ruger as the 416 Ruger.....at least that's the case with this round.

All true, Vapo, but as you know, edges tend to be sharper after having being fired, compared to unfired brass, and I think that was what RIP meant.

Anyway, thanks for the pic! Would it be posible to take a new directly from the front to give a better view of the shoulder/neck dimentions?

Thanks,

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All true, Vapo, but as you know, edges tend to be sharper after having being fired, compared to unfired brass, and I think that was what RIP meant.

I thought that was what he meant and I'll post again when I fire a case or two

I'll post another photo in a bit of the neck region.

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Would it be posible to take a new directly from the front to give a better view of the shoulder/neck dimentions?

The shoulder on this case is .035 per side.



frontal view:

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Originally posted by vapodog:
here's a couple of them on each side of .338 Win Mag for reference.

I'm surprised Ruger/Horndy passed this by but a few are being made anyway.....this should obsolete the .416 Taylor easily!

2400'/sec with a 400 grain bullet is easy with the .375 Ruger case. It fits easily in a Mauser VZ-24!!

Excellent! But did you have to "beat the s**t" out of them, to get them to reform?

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did you have to "beat the s**t" out of them, to get them to reform?

It was a simple single pass thru a FL resizing die from Hornady.....was very easy actually.

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Originally posted by .366torque:

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Originally posted by vapodog:
here's a couple of them on each side of .338 Win Mag for reference.

I'm surprised Ruger/Horndy passed this by but a few are being made anyway.....this should obsolete the .416 Taylor easily!

They will really look nice after fireforming.
2400'/sec with a 400 grain bullet is easy with the .375 Ruger case. It fits easily in a Mauser VZ-24!!

Excellent! But did you have to "beat the s**t" out of them, to get them to reform?

Yes! That's what I meant.
Vapodog. Please take some steel wool to those poor, abused dummies before they strut their stuff here again.

I have never seen cases and bullets so scratched up, even those used to do feed jobs by me!!!

They will really look "sharp" after fire forming.

L to R: .375, .395, .416, .423, .458 Ruger Cats, please excuse the sherical distortion or bending of the dummies noted especially on the outsides of this pic:



I only have .375 Ruger and .395 Ruger Max dies.
The others were "made do" with other dies.

See what a little steel wool and a wipe with Break Free CLP will do?

how's this?


I wouldn't have done that for just anyone!!!

Now yer shittin' in high cotton!

............ .........You guys throw down a pretty daunting task for posting pics ....I thot for some reason he was using chalk for something ????...................Vapo , I remember you arn,t a ruger rifle fan , and so I,m not saying this to goad the bull , but the 375 Ruger fed like a dream from my ruger . It is a 458 win mag built from a 338 win mag with absolutely no action work ever done to it ..................I need to pick up a couple hawk shop pos 300 win mag stainless Rugers this summer for the .411 and 458 conversions ......Mayby a 395 also ................................P.S.I thot the table top was nice

Vapodog or RIP,

Have you worked up any ballistics and / or load data on the 416 Ruger or the 458 Ruger?

By the way, great pic's!

Thanks

Though the eventual 416 Ruger may spell the demise of my much beloved 416 Taylors, the 458 Ruger as shown in just it neck expended version in the photo, there isn't much shoulder. Any other time you guys would be whining like scalded cats over that. I suppose a fire-formed case could put a bit more into it, but it doesn't look like there is much room. And there are other 458 cartridges based upon the 404 Jeffery case, so I guess it will get done eventually.

Depending upon the rifle magazine, the fatter Ruger cases could be an issue compared to the Taylor, and the 458 Ruger would make this even worse. I know you guys are off the wall, but all I need from a 500 gr. bullet is 2150 fps and the old standby 458 WM will do that. I really see no need for a 458 Ruger, if that was ever a consideration.

And when the wonder cartridge of a 416 Ruger comes along with its 2500 fps and the guys show up with ear muffs, recoil shoulder pads, muzzle brakes, blood streaming down their cheeks from those long eyepiece Europeans scope cuts, and lead ingots in their stocks, and socks, remind me what a wonder cartridge it really is.

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Originally posted by Will:
And there are other 458 cartridges based upon the 404 Jeffery case, so I guess it will get done eventually.

the $%@$%@ ruger case isn't built off the 404 case... why can't people learn that simple fact... ruger case is .532, 404 case is .545, and wsm/rum is .550

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Will:
And there are other 458 cartridges based upon the 404 Jeffery case, so I guess it will get done eventually.

the $%@$%@ ruger case isn't built off the 404 case... why can't people learn that simple fact... ruger case is .532, 404 case is .545, and wsm/rum is .550

But is close enough for me!

figures .. sigh.. hell, its 9am and i haven't had a coffee yet

........No wonder you are beating your head on the desk .....

IMO ;Like the 375 Ruger rifles make the round ,,And that 6 1/2 lb Stainless Synthetic 20 " barreled 338 Ruger Compact Magnum rifle give me at least a good reason to get some of them .....The 416 Ruger is very viable to me because it can hold 3 down in the mag and will probably give 416 Rem ballistics from a 20 " barrel or close .. .......IMO it would get the nod instead of the 458 AR ., But if the 458 is needed and someone wants a standard action with Lott performance or more the AR is the Obvious choice ,.,.I myself would want an extra round of capacity tho and would use a drop box stock from MPI or some other ....... .........Have some java Jeffe

el jeffe & vapodog. The 416 JRS has been tested! She runs neck & neck with the 416 Remington.

In Rifleshooter, Jon states 75 grns of RL15 gives 2405 fps with a 400 grn Hornady, while giving no signs of excessive pressure.
75.5 of RL15 with a TSX 350 is 2570.
These are out of a 22" Wiseman button rifled barrel.

Not bad.

My .416 Ruger is coming on just fine and it going to be really nice..The stock just came together like a dream and the metal is at the bluers..all I need to do is checker it...I have had it in an old mauser stock for about a year now and its been in the white for testing, finally got some brass and the dies are not here as yet, but on order from Hornadys custom shop, they are a lot cheaper than RCBS btw...BTW, Hornady will make any die on order now.

As to its pros and cons, who cares, it certainly is a nice caliber and duplicates the .416 Remington..So whats not to like about that and I'm banking on it becoming a commercial venture by Ruger..I'm going to load mine at about 2400 FPS and shoot some big stuff with it, probably with the 450 gr. Woodleighs, a bullet I really like, and they are not too long to get'r done as some might suspect..

As big a gun whore as I am, I think this one will be one of my rare keepers, but don't hold me to that, I have a weakness for trading, buying and selling guns, its a kick!

Maybe a 404 JRS (not) is in the cards but I think I will call it the 404 Ruger, its there case not mine....

Just as an aside, RIP and I got .395 Max dies from the custom shop and it was much quicker than anyone else.

Hornady will be up for for the .458 Ruger dies.
They are fast, twice as fast as Redding and CH4D at making dies, half the time from order to delivery.

Max, I called CH4D yesterday and talked to Dave Davison himself and reminded him that it had been 5.5 months since the 400/.395 NE dies were ordered.

He said the dies were finished except for being assembled and shipped.

Let's see how long it takes them to screw the parts together and package and UPS them to me.

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Originally posted by Will:
Though the eventual 416 Ruger may spell the demise of my much beloved 416 Taylors, the 458 Ruger as shown in just it neck expended version in the photo, there isn't much shoulder. Any other time you guys would be whining like scalded cats over that. I suppose a fire-formed case could put a bit more into it, but it doesn't look like there is much room. And there are other 458 cartridges based upon the 404 Jeffery case, so I guess it will get done eventually.

Depending upon the rifle magazine, the fatter Ruger cases could be an issue compared to the Taylor, and the 458 Ruger would make this even worse. I know you guys are off the wall, but all I need from a 500 gr. bullet is 2150 fps and the old standby 458 WM will do that. I really see no need for a 458 Ruger, if that was ever a consideration.

And when the wonder cartridge of a 416 Ruger comes along with its 2500 fps and the guys show up with ear muffs, recoil shoulder pads, muzzle brakes, blood streaming down their cheeks from those long eyepiece Europeans scope cuts, and lead ingots in their stocks, and socks, remind me what a wonder cartridge it really is.

COME ON...YOU MUST BE ABLE TO FIND A WETTER BLANKET SOMEWHERE...

Will is jealous of the idea of a 6.25-pound .458 Ruger.

Will,
The .416 Taylor demised years ago except for a few hardy souls that frequent the internet such as yourself, and being the fine upstanding gentleman your are it shall remain by a shread only due to your bull headedness! The .416 Rem voided the Taylor some ions past...

yeeehawww!

At the time when I built my 416 taylor if I could have got a 416 rem in a good stainless action I would have went that way. If the 416 ruger was available then I would have use that.

Hay but my 416 taylor with a 350 at 2450 and a 400 around 2300 kills things just fine. None of the critters and all the milk jugs I have shot haven't complained a bit.

Hell they are all good More calibers more reasons to by more guns. I just don't understand people who complain about differant rounds if you don't like don't buy it.

Hi vapodog, any updates?