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Heard the other day you coudn't fly with a .50cal. Anyone know anything about this? I want to go to Texas to kill some hogs end of the month with my .50Beowulf. Thanks | ||
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hold on... tsa is trying to do the temp export things with greater than .500.. which yours aint... no such paperwork required for in the states opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Beowulf isnt a .50Cal but I'd keep my mouth shut and produce documentation to that fact only if challenged.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Jeffe, Can you expound a bit on this particularly since I will be heading to Zim with my 600 OK and my dad with his 585 AHR in September? Thanks, Paul NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Paul, There are several threads on the African Hunting forum regarding TSA's inappropriate attempts to prevent hunters from traveling to foreign destinations with rifles chambered in calibers greater than .50". George  | |||
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Hi George, Yes, I thingk I have read every one of them. I must have misunderstood jeffe's post above as I thought he was saying that the TSA is working on some new rule to allow the temporary movement of over 500 in and out of the States. If there was a thread on such an effort then I did miss it and will search again. Thanks, Paul NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Paul you can temp export sporting firearms. The 600 OK is a NON-DD device, per ATF - Rob did the paperwork, as well and Neal did for the 550 mag and express, and I did for the 50 flanged. There are VERY few "non=dd" big rounds, fwiw However, the TSA doesn't usnderstand that sporting firearms are NOT WEAPONS are not subject to export regulation. Flying withing the US does not require the temp export form, and is therefore a non-issue. btw, 12 ga is .720! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I see you are an NRA Life member. I suggest you contact them, as I have, about the .5+ ammo export issue. NRA published a warning letter last June on this issue. They have yet to update the info. The more member inquiries the more likely they are to pursue the issue. Currently there is a U.S. export law which makes the export of ammo over .5 illegal. It has been enforced by a few TSA folks. It applies to .500NE which is .513, and larger - .577NE, .600NE, etc. This is an export issue and is not applicable to CONUS. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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NOT ACCURATE -- It is not legal to export WAR MUNITIONS over .500 .. That is NOT ammunition for sporting firearms and has nothing to do with it. Shotgun slgs are over .500, and not one person says SQUAT about it, because they are sporting, NOT because they are under .500 NO - .500 ne is a .510 bullet, not .513 - making a .513 barrel and gun WILL RESULT IN ARREST if you not have either a DD maker's license or a sporting ruling. PLEASE be accurate when reporting conditions that people will have to deal with. BTW, i LOVE showing the post office people that it is ILLEGAL for them to give their opinion on shipping firearms, or that they can't mark the box.. oh, yeah, and that they are entrapping people when they ask non-dealers to filling in the dealer declaration opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Hi Jeffeosso, so my 500 Jeffery (which should arrive soon from Triple River) should fall into the same class as the 500 NE then? Thanks, Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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if one should open their mouthes, yes, tsa could get involved. You aren't exporting weapons o' war.. you are going hunting... 4kg of ammo does not a border skirmish make opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jeffeosso: NOT ACCURATE -- What's not accurate? Are you alleging that sporting ammo exceeding .500 has not been confiscated from departing safari hunters? If so, you are the one who is NOT ACCURATE.  Please pardon my error as to 500NE diameter, but it is of no consequence to this discussion as anything over .500 is illegal and that includes the .510 bullet of the 500NE. Please confirm you agree as we wouldn't want you to mislead anyone. You may engage in an esoteric discussion of "weapons of war" as you see fit, but I suggest you will find the TSA inspection line less accepting of your legal training than the USPS at the local mail counter. Make a scene with TSA and you are likely to miss your safari flight and spend an overnight in a jail cell. Cheers  Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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TSA is not applying the regulation correctly. That doersn't mean they won't screw up your safari flight arrangements, however. If you are flying out of the country with .50" or larger cartridges, contact TSA in writing IN ADVANCE requesting clarification as to what statute, regulation, law, or treaty authorizes them to prevent you from temporarilyy exporting sporting ammunition. If you cannot get such a declaration in writing go to the airport early and be prepared to contest any such actions with a supervisor. George | |||
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Thank you, George. Yes, TSA has applied/interpreted the law incorrectly and yes, this can really screw-up a safari. Until such time as NRA can get a declaration from the involved government departments, all departing safari hunters need to know of the possibility of problems with exporting ammo larger than .500. Our current White House crew has no love for our sport nor for our guns. They may be very hesitant to cooperate. It would behoove any departing safari hunters taking a + .500 rifle to anticipate the confiscation of their ammo and to advise their HO well in advance of the potential need to acquire adequate supplies of appropriate ammo once in Africa. This warning could save a safari. And good luck with TSA Supervisors. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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Good advice on not messing with the federal jobs program recipients at the airport. On the topic of what is or isn't you may want to "read up" on the subject before you discount the validity of Mr. Smith's statements. He is, in fact, quoting a not so esoteric point of law. I highly recomnend George's approach - preparation will likely save you some grief at an inopportune time. | |||
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TSA is trying to misapply a law by generalization and under education. be careful not to adopt their tactic. Sir, that ammo has been ILLEGALLY confiscated is not at question. Please, do, lets act like adults here. Your statement that anything over .500 is illegal is both incomplete and inaccurate. as it only applies to weapons of war, not sporting rounds. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I assure you all that I completely understand the law and the issues at question. It is not me you need convince but rather the TSA imbeciles who will confiscate the ammo.  Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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UPDATE: There is a new DOT "Traveling Safely With Ammunition" flier that states "Small arms ammunition including ammunition not exceeding .75 caliber for a rifle or pistol and shotgun shells of any caliber." can be carried legally. An earlier DOT message cited .50 as a maximum and that is apparently where the TSA confusion originated. I recommend printing and carrying a copy for presentation to TSA imbeciles. Go to http://safetravel.dot.gov/index_ammunition.html It does not, however, make reference to export. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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Thanks much LionHunter! Now if my 500 Jeffery would only get here! Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Great news. We are making progress. Thanks to SCI, NRA, and in particular Montana Congressman Denny Rehberg who met with TSA officials last month to straighten out this very issue. He is owed a note of thanks from all of us. He can be reached at http://www.house.gov/rehberg/issue.shtml | |||
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the cure is simple: you merely ask the TSA employee for their full name and ID number. None of those lazy turds want to be personally responsible... Of course, I live in Idaho and got on a plane last December to Zimbabwe with a 550 Gibbs rifle and ammunition and nobody said a word to me, going or coming. Are the states where this is happening democratic or republican run? Rich Buff Killer | |||
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