I just picked up the 2006 catalog of Remington products and saw some troubling data in it.

While I tend to think of Remington as a gun company there is a substantial amount of the catalog devoted to non firearms stuff.....like 53 (fifty three) different knives they offer.....also is assorted camp saws, pliers type tools,wallpaper, caps,clothing,gun cases, safes, zipper pouches, metal targets, belts and buckels, game calls,dog training aids, signs, thermometers, dog kennels, gun cabinets, tree stands,wrist watches, socks,die cast toys, wooden boxes, air rifles, wildlife feeders, wooden signs, T-Shirts, hearing muffs, action figures,cig lighters, calandars, molded decoys, black powder accessories, back packs, wildlife nutritional products, ATV accessories, and art prints.....seems there's more focus on trivia than guns.....however.....to the point.

They feature the M-798 in their catalog as a square bridge Mauser '98 action, they show a photo of an obviousl push feed bolt and announce it as a CRF (I'll supply a photo) but the worst error of all.....you're not going to believe this.......I think this they are serious about.....the caliber selection of the M-798 has as the largest cartridge.....the 300 Win Mag.

Yes....it's not offered in the .375 H&H or the .458.....They bring out a real potential DG rifle and then don't chamber it for anything remotely resembling a DG cartridge!!!

These folks really have me scratching my head!!!!!

Here's the photo

I think that is the Mini Mauser bolt in the picture.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Yes....it's not offered in the .375 H&H or the .458.....They bring out a real potential DG rifle and then don't chamber it for anything remotely resembling a DG cartridge!!!

.375 and .458 are offered. It's just the marketing people with screws loose, and management too for letting the marketing droids embarrass the company. As ElCaballero says, the photo is of the Mini Mauser bolt, which Remington now calls the 799.

Anyone out there need a 7 lb 458 Win? Lordy!

465H&H

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Originally posted by questioneer:

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Yes....it's not offered in the .375 H&H or the .458.....They bring out a real potential DG rifle and then don't chamber it for anything remotely resembling a DG cartridge!!!

.375 and .458 are offered. It's just the marketing people with screws loose, and management too for letting the marketing droids embarrass the company. As ElCaballero says, the photo is of the Mini Mauser bolt, which Remington now calls the 799.

I know what the website says.....what I'm saying is that their catelog is not showing it,.....the largest caliber it's available in according to their catalog is the 300 win Mag.

As to the photo.....my point is simply to show that they show a push feed bolt and call it a CRF.....Yes, I know it's the Mini Mauser.

I think these yahoos are interested more in jack knives and clothing than guns!!!!!

Vapo,
I am sorry I didn't totally explain in my response. I was just pointing out that they brag about the CRF and then show the mini mauser bolt which is a PF.

Ol Chuck had his problems but atleast he new what he had.

I'm almost curious as to wonder if they'll come out with any more chamberings for this rifle? It looks like it's almost promising. I really want to see if this rifle will survive or if it's just going to be another hit and miss.

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Anyone out there need a 7 lb 458 Win? Lordy!

465H&H

ME!!!


that there's a disconnect between marketing, photo, and product engineers is more normal than not...


I hope these things come in 1 month after the 45/70 double rifles.. and we have them all before this years' deer season

What's the word on those double rifles anyways? I thought they weren't even going to come to us after they keep on pushing back the date like that!

On the doubles.. they are still moving the dates back, but by a month at a time, not by the 1/2 year... deer season with a double!!!

jeffe

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:


that there's a disconnect between marketing, photo, and product engineers is more normal than not...

I realize that this is true to some extent in all companies.....but it just seems to be far far worse at Remington.

I have seen a few O/U shotguns labeled Spartan lately and even a combo gun.....and I sure hope the side/side rifles many are looking foreward to is a good one but if this combo gun is any indication of their craftsmanship there's going to be a whole lot of disappointed folks out there.

On the Zastava rifles.......we know what they are and they actually aren't too bad.....some are quite good actually and shoot well and are not hard to "touch up". It's pretty obvious that no one from Remington that has a brain reads these forums or there'd be some changes made.

If this lack of attention to detail in their website and printed material is at all indicative as to what the company is all about they're in much worse trouble than anyone ever imagined. On another thread the subject of pending financial failure is discussed and many are not optomistic about their future.......all this seems to do is confirm a serious incompetence in their organization.......and I'm seriously wondering if that M-7 CDL I've been looking at is anything worth the salt.

These guys are seeming the laughing stock of the American shooting industry.

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Anyone out there need a 7 lb 458 Win? Lordy!

465H&H

Goodie, goodie, goodie!!! I can't wait until those cheap laminated stocks that the penny pinchers at Remington ordered, start splintering!!!

......and I am, ahem, WAS a Remington fan.

All those gadgets ?? That's for something to play with while you wait for the guns they advertise but won't have for a couple of years !!

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Originally posted by mete:
All those gadgets ?? That's for something to play with while you wait for the guns they advertise but won't have for a couple of years !!

The problem is that they don't have the right things to play with.....but they do have the things dogs want.....

Obviously the "7"#'s for the .375 and .458 is not correct, but since they probably haven't gotten a sample of those yet and certainly didn't when they had to put the catalog together, its not entirely their fault. Remington has one of the biggest catalogs in the gun business and its all new every year, so I'm not surprised that they have some errors. Also when ANYONE does a catalog like that, it has to be done MONTHS in advance. I'm sure they have people working on next years catalog already, so you might expect that some things will not be up to date.
I doubt if the laminated stocks will be splintering, they are stronger and more stable than almost any solid wood stock. I actually was surprised that I like them as much as I did on the standard calibers and I suspect that the .375 and .458 will not have the same stock and I am pretty sure that no one here knows either.
I like the CDL, I especially liked the CDL SF LTD. which was a limited edition for the 100th anniversery of the .30-06.
Remington licences a lot of products, from safes to beef jerky to dog collars etc....the same as many other big companies do. If you walk around the SHOT Show and pick up everyones catalog and turn to the back pages they all have that kind of stuff, tee shirts, caps, coffee mugs, belt buckles, knives etc. with their logos, why pick out Remington to rag on for it?

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Originally posted by loboga:
Remington has one of the biggest catalogs in the gun business and its all new every year, so I'm not surprised that they have some errors.

Everyone is human, we except that, but what did they get right? All they had to do was go down to Wal-Mart and pick up a Chuck Daly and LOOK at it.

You think that they have worked on this a year? If that is true (I'm not doubting you) they have been calling this thing a "double square bridge mauser" for a year. That would be humilating to me.

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Anyone out there need a 7 lb 458 Win? Lordy!

465H&H

Why, YES! Yes, I DO need one of those!

ETA: Why not send an e-mail to Remington about these concerns? I DID.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Here's the photo

Did anyone notice that it has a SAKO EXTRACTOR, with a "claw" that is useless???

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Anyone out there need a 7 lb 458 Win? Lordy!

465H&H

Got one, in a Browning Safari. Get's your attention. But it's actually more comfortable firing 500gr. full loads than 400gr. loads.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
I think these yahoos are interested more in jack knives and clothing than guns!!!!!

One night in the gun business, I sold a Glock for about $450 while another guy sold a pile of books for $65. As I bragged about my "big sale," he pointed out that the margin on the books was 50% and the margin on the Glock was 5%, and that he actually brought in more money that I did.

Most of that stuff is from a third-party vendor, so I doubt it's taking away from their manufacturing capacity. Guns are probably all but a loss leader for them.


Okie John

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Originally posted by woodsracer:

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Here's the photo

Did anyone notice that it has a SAKO EXTRACTOR, with a "claw" that is useless???

ElCabelero pointed out that the phopto is of the miniMauser action and not the actual CRF model 798 as they intended it to be shown.

Actually I have one of the mini Mausers in .223 and another in 6 X 45 and they work pretty good. I had to do a lot of "repair" to one of them to get it to function correctly but the mini mauser is a fine little action for those that like the .223 family of cases. CRF in a .223 isn't really important as the last time I was charged by a prairie dog I didn't feel especially threatened.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
CRF in a .223 isn't really important as the last time I was charged by a prairie dog I didn't feel especially threatened.

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One night in the gun business, I sold a Glock for about $450 while another guy sold a pile of books for $65. As I bragged about my "big sale," he pointed out that the margin on the books was 50% and the margin on the Glock was 5%, and that he actually brought in more money that I did.

A cousin of mine bought into a gas bar (a couple pumps and a shack with a few confections, etc) when he was quite young. He told me how much money he made from it annually, and it was a huge number. 90+% of the revenue from that gas bar came from cigarettes and confections, not gas.

My point...Remington would have to be incredibly stupid not to capitalize on licencing products. Accomplishes both branding and high margin sales to help keep rifle prices competitive (and why would we consumers complain about the latter!).

My 2c CDN (which is up to 1.8c USD!),
Canuck

This kinda reminds me of my high school prank for some reason. Speaking of all the Remington products, I did use one of their electric razors to shave our school mascot, a large stuffed brown bear. It worked pretty fine.
So lemme get this straight, the actual 798 rifle is a controlled round feed and it's not going to be comparable to the fake claw/Sako style extractor?

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Originally posted by The Metalsmith:
So lemme get this straight, the actual 798 rifle is a controlled round feed and it's not going to be comparable to the fake claw/Sako style extractor?

No. We are saying that they don't know the difference. They talk about CRF and show the PF. What is better is for each of us to decide what are needs are.

Good prank by the way!

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So lemme get this straight, the actual 798 rifle is a controlled round feed and it's not going to be comparable to the fake claw/Sako style extractor?

Yes.....that is correct.....the actual M798 is a CRF bolt.

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there is a substantial amount of the catalog devoted to non firearms stuff.....like 53 (fifty three) different knives they offer.....also is assorted camp saws, pliers type tools,wallpaper, caps,clothing,gun cases, safes, zipper pouches, metal targets, belts and buckels, game calls,dog training aids, signs, thermometers, dog kennels, gun cabinets, tree stands,wrist watches, socks,die cast toys, wooden boxes, air rifles, wildlife feeders, wooden signs, T-Shirts, hearing muffs, action figures,cig lighters, calandars, molded decoys, black powder accessories, back packs, wildlife nutritional products, ATV accessories, and art prints.....seems there's more focus on trivia than guns

I recall that Winchester once went through a period like this, of offering a bunch of extraneous crap as well as guns. I think it was when they were in dire financial straights, and were willing to try to sell anything. Didn't work for WIN.......probably won't work for Remington either.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by woodsracer:

Did anyone notice that it has a SAKO EXTRACTOR, with a "claw" that is useless???

ElCabelero pointed out that the phopto is of the miniMauser action and not the actual CRF model 798 as they intended it to be shown.

Actually I have one of the mini Mausers in .223 and another in 6 X 45 and they work pretty good. I had to do a lot of "repair" to one of them to get it to function correctly but the mini mauser is a fine little action for those that like the .223 family of cases. CRF in a .223 isn't really important as the last time I was charged by a prairie dog I didn't feel especially threatened.

I did notice his comments. That bolt still looks strange to me, even if it is a mini-me. It looks like the locking lug near the Sako extractor, locks in the REAR, while the opposing lug is up front. If this is the case, I wonder how hard it is to "properly" lap the lugs in?

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I did notice his comments. That bolt still looks strange to me, even if it is a mini-me. It looks like the locking lug near the Sako extractor, locks in the REAR, while the opposing lug is up front. bewildered If this is the case, I wonder how hard it is to "properly" lap the lugs in? Eeker

here's a couple different views of the locking lugs of the mini.....front for sure and again a fairly fine little action.

I can't comment for now, but I have a friend at Remington (one of the fringe bennies of writing and attending the SHOT Show) that has given me their word that I W-I-L-L have a Spartan for testing before end of September. I am still keeping the possession of a 45-120 Reamer under my hat.

Rich

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Originally posted by vapodog:

A much better picture! THANKS! I think I need a 799 in 7.62x39mm to turn into a 6.5mm Grendel. I'm ALWAYS dreaming!!!

Does anyone find it interesting that they chambered this rifle in the 458 Winchester versus the 458 Lott.

Recently it has seemed that 458 Winchester-chambered rifles would become a thing of the past.

Frankly, I find this to be a little odd.

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Originally posted by Don In Colorado:
Does anyone find it interesting that they chambered this rifle in the 458 Winchester versus the 458 Lott.

Please go back and read the very first post on this thread.

The catalog sounds interesting. On a plus note, I looked at Remingtons 100th aniv. 30-06 rifle the other day at Sportsmans Wharehouse. I was very impressed with the rifle. The metal to wood fit was very good. Better than I've ever seen in a M-70. The action was smooth and the over all quality seemed very good. The last Rem I bought was piss poor at best, seems like they've stepped up the QC quite a bit.

Terry

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Originally posted by TC1:
I looked at Remingtons 100th aniv. 30-06 rifle the other day at Sportsmans Wharehouse. I was very impressed with the rifle. The metal to wood fit was very good. Better than I've ever seen in a M-70.

The only aviversary rifle Remington is making for the 30-06 is the pump gun.....at least as far as I was aware.

Are they making another model as well?

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by TC1:
I looked at Remingtons 100th aniv. 30-06 rifle the other day at Sportsmans Wharehouse. I was very impressed with the rifle. The metal to wood fit was very good. Better than I've ever seen in a M-70.

The only aviversary rifle Remington is making for the 30-06 is the pump gun.....at least as far as I was aware.

Are they making another model as well?

It's not an "anniversary" rifle It's the "700 CDL Springfield Century Limited"

Celebrating the 100th birthday of the 30-06 springfield cartridge.

They all have nice wood R3 Recoil pad
are stainless steel with a sporter weight FLUTED barrel and special engraving.


AllanD

Thanks Allen.....I found it...

does it come in .270?

Colt offered bows and arrows when they were falling apart. I am no longer a Remingtion fan but after the demise of Winchester, which I did not anticipate, I feel sorry for Remington.

I have lost interest in the SXS rifle by Baikal/Remington.