I know that if you are shooting a moose with a fast caliber and the moose haven�t seen you then it is possible to kill it by shock, but if the angry moose or bear is running at you then you cant kill it by shock. Then i think that the bullet from the 577 T-REX will stop the bear faster because the bigger wound channels, and it have much more bone breaking power than any 30 caliber.

Does the velocity of the bullet do the Black/ or dead meat around the hole or is it the energy the bullet leave when it expand...?

The higer velocity or energy will not do bigger wound channels. The hole in the game is just as big as the expanded bullet diameter. Isn�t that right...?

And the last question of this post, what does the energy do inside the animal, when the bullet leave energy does it broke blood vessels or what...?

Some buddy who want to answer my questions??? Thanks.....!

Do you say that the 577 T-REX bullets dont expand much, these guys here who have 577 T-REX and 585 Nyati says that if you load the 750 grain woodleigh soft nose bullet to 2400-and up to 2600 it is going to blow up...!

What is going to happend to the moose if a 750 grains bullet blow up in the shoulder...?

Dont you know what black meat is, when the bullet smack in to the animlal the meat around the hole is dead and it is black.

Isn�t here any buddy who have done expansion test with the 900 grains woodleigh bullet...?

Now I know you are hunting dinosaurs ;-)

A well placed 900gr bullet will kill anything on this earth living OR extinct. Shot placement, not just bullet size although that helps, is key.

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Originally posted by Overkill:

1. Does the velocity of the bullet do the Black/ or dead meat around the hole or is it the energy the bullet leave when it expand...?

2. The higer velocity or energy will not do bigger wound channels. The hole in the game is just as big as the expanded bullet diameter. Isn�t that right...?

3. And the last question of this post, what does the energy do inside the animal, when the bullet leave energy does it broke blood vessels or what...?

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1. I think that it is a shock wave which happens only when the velocity is high enough.

2. I think you are right, although I think that in extreme cases it can be bigger, especially if the bullet hits a bone.

3. Energy is used in a lot of ways. Sometimes it just pushes meat aside and doesn't even hurt the animal much (creation of temporary cavity without meat getting "bloodshot"). Much of it is used in creating the permanent wound channel. Even more may be used in travelling hundreds of yards past the moose and digging into a tree, or deep into the ground. It is also used in expanding the bullet. For purposes of predictions, energy may be one of the LEAST useful of the statistics of ballistics, mostly because it encourages people to look at terminal ballistics more simplistically than they need to.

If you shoot game with a 577 NE and a solid bullet and the same bullet in the 577 T-REX then it is going to go much deeper because the T-REX have much more energy.

And if you shoot a moose with a 308 Warbird with a hard bullet like the swift, it is going to do more damage than a 308 win with the same bullet. Because the 308 warbird have more energy and then the bullet can expand to a bigger diameter and go deeper.

I think you are basically on the right track. Just remember that more energy doesn't ALWAYS make a bullet expand more (like solids), and sometimes more energy just makes the bullet go deeper into the tree or the ground. Also, and I think you know this already, the "more energy" argument usually works only when caliber and bullet are the same. You can't usually compare energy figures with different calibers.

I believe the "black meat" is from powder burns. This is due to the powder trail following the bullet due to the "suck" of a big bullet at high velocity. I think, also, that is how "black holes" in space are started. Some dimwit shooting a .557 T-Rex into the air...

Energy is Energy. If the moose were charging it would create more energy because of Bullets energy + moose's energy = more energy. This is all in respect to how close to breeding season it is (both for moose and hunter)!

Thanks for the laughs...

Coon

2. Recoil is more than the VAST majority of users can handle.

3. A 30.06 or similar will do the job on moose just as well.

You have posted this question on dead meat etc many times.....when do you suppose the answers will sink in??

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Johan

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