A buffalo hunt is in my future, so I am going to look for a gun FRiday...I envisioned some "purdy" wood Model 70 or something like that for my first Big Bore, but I've come across a deal I don't think I can pass up: Brand New Weatherby Mark V Fibermark in .375 H&H for $850...I was considering a CZ, Ruger or M70, but this is a great deal...The same guy has a Remington BDL Custom .375 H&H barely used for $850 as well...I actually like the "looks" of the Remington better 'cause it's wood...Unless someone wants to sell me a Model 70 .375 H&H for under a grand, I'll probaly be toting a stainless Weatherby around Africa...It's not the end of the world as it will make a great gun for Alaska as well, but just not what I had in mind for my Africa Big Bore...THOUGHTS????

Consider the number of hands which will be holding your rifle/case between NA and Africa. Buy the cheaper rifle for todays crime ridden world.

Now really, the wood stocked rifles are quieter in the bush, and the Rem'sespecially a custom are rather nice... tough choice, for all are winners. Good luck and good hunting.

CZ 375's were less than a grand last time I looked, also.

I don't know I think I would go with this one.

el...Thanks for the link, but it is so hard to see the condition of the rifle on some of those internet auctions...There have been a few nice ones come and go on Gun Broker, but deciphering condition is tough...Thanks for the prompt responses so far...

PM sent to you.

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Originally posted by ElCaballero:
I don't know I think I would go with this one.

You know you want it!

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:

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Originally posted by ElCaballero:
I don't know I think I would go with this one.

You know you want it!

Ok you got me. Just can't see owning another right now.

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Originally posted by Fjold:
CZ 375's were less than a grand last time I looked, also.

Yep! Makes sense to me.

to get slightly off-topic here, we'll stay in church, just change pews.
$800 will buy you a brand new CZ in 375 or 416 Rigby. You can stick six 375's in that big magwell.
With Hornady's 416 at $75 a box retail, it is suddenly affordable to shoot one. Just my opinion, but the 416 looks to be the "Perfect" DG bolt rifle. The 416 will shoot 350gr bullets the same speed as the 300gr 375's.

JMHO,

Rich
NRA Life Member
DRSS
416 CZ shooter

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Originally posted by ElCaballero:
Ok you got me. Just can't see owning another right now.

I understand -- I do not need another .375 but I was tempted. Do you think the market is cooling off a bit? Those were getting $800 bids a short while ago, or so I seem to recall.

I think it makes a lighter package than the CZ, but the CZ has the benefit of being new.

CZ was my first thought, however, the only way to get one up here is to order it and I've heard a LOT of complaints with regard to CZ's quality control...THere seems to be great wood and marginal wood, great actions and marginal actions...I don't want to risk ordering something that has gotten a lot of negative press in the QC department...If I could see one in person, touch one hold one, that is a different story but not worth the risk to me...

Now with regard to the .416 debate...How's the recoil of the .416 vs. the .375? I've actually considered a .416 but am not a huge fan of huge recoil...Other issue is I will never find a .416 of anything on the shelf up here (up here is North Dakota)...

I would prefer to buy this Borovnik .375 instead of the Wby:

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Ludwig Borovnik. Best quality, SxS, 375 H&H Magnum, Engraved sideplates, Ported barrels,Pachmeyer decelerator pad, Mercury recoil cylinder, Beautiful wood, Like new, I,ll pay shipping & insurance.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976733072.htm

Yeah, and I "prefer" to buy a Porshe instead of a Chevy, but I drive a Chevy...

A double would be great, but I can pretty much pay for the hunt and a gun for the price of most doubles!

Get the CZ. A lot of dealers now offer three day inspection on rifles they sell so the only thing you may lose is the shipping and that too in the worst case scenerio.

Give your future trophy buffalo a little more respect then shooting it with a plastic Weatherby j/k

Wes,

Was your first girlfriend named Whitworth, by chance??

John

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Now with regard to the .416 debate...How's the recoil of the .416 vs. the .375? I've actually considered a .416 but am not a huge fan of huge recoil...Other issue is I will never find a .416 of anything on the shelf up here (up here is North Dakota)...

I was waiting for someone who actually owns a .416 to answer, but in the meantime...

It sounds to me like you are a candidate for the .375. Although I have seen people claim that the .416 is not much more than the .375, most seem to say it is a noticeable step up in recoil. Take that with a shaker of salt as I have a .375 and a .458 (both fairly new to me) but no .416 myself.

Hopefully someone with real-world experience will chime in. And note that the weight and style of the rifle can have a tremendous effect on the perceived recoil, which I am sure you already know.

I have a 416 forsale in a 550 CZ - wood stock , drop-box , rings included .
The condition looks like new ......

$1100 shipped to your FFL or make me a offer

E-mail for pictures .

Dilema solved...Thanks to a member here, my .375 dilema has been solved...A member offered me a great deal on a like new WOOD Winchester Model 70 Safari Express in .375 H&H...We did the deal today...I am thrilled!!!

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Originally posted by archer_375:
Dilema solved...Thanks to a member here, my .375 dilema has been solved...A member offered me a great deal on a like new WOOD Winchester Model 70 Safari Express in .375 H&H...We did the deal today...I am thrilled!!!

Excellent news! Now get some dies and wring out accuracy and lethality!

Congrats! That is a sweet buy...

Since the inquiring member bought a rifle, I decided to see what the reserve on the Whitworth was.... Higher that I was willing to test the waters! A nice rifle, though.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Since the inquiring member bought a rifle, I decided to see what the reserve on the Whitworth was.... Higher that I was willing to test the waters! A nice rifle, though.

I think last time it ended at $725 and no sale, but I would have to double check.

The beauty of the deal was that it included dies!!!! I am thrilled...

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Originally posted by archer_375:
Dilema solved...Thanks to a member here, my .375 dilema has been solved...A member offered me a great deal on a like new WOOD Winchester Model 70 Safari Express in .375 H&H...We did the deal today...I am thrilled!!!

Can't fault that choice.

I have the same gun in left hand.

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Originally posted by lawndart:
Wes,

Was your first girlfriend named Whitworth, by chance??

John

No, but she was a redheaded joy to behold, much like my Whitworth!

Archer_375,

Congrats on your .375 H&H Winnie. 375 Hoot & Holler is an extremely versatile cartridge that doesn't rip your shoulder off. I'll probably take mine deer hunting next year just to blood it.

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Originally posted by archer_375:
The beauty of the deal was that it included dies!!!! I am thrilled...

Yes but you missed out on this one.

Looks like a tree had a bad accident with an ostrich...

I may take mine out to shoot a doe as well, just to break it in live...

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Originally posted by ElCaballero:
Yes but you missed out on this one.

Looks like it died from a horrible disease!

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Originally posted by ElCaballero:

Yes but you missed out on this one.

If the scope covers were just the right size...

Well, I went gun shopping and have ended up with 2 .375 H&H's to play with...One is the Model 70 mentioned above...I also looked at the Weatherby, but couldn't make myself do the plastic rifle thing, but the dealer had a Remington 700 with awesome wood from the Remington custom shop on the floor that had been used VERY little...I picked it up for $750...So, I will be shooting the Model 70 and Remington for now...My guess is the Model 70 will be making the trip to Africa...Any thoughts/opinions/comparisons on these two rifles? The only other option I found was a .375 H&H and .416 Rigby in the Ruger Magnum...Both looked great but were almost double the price of the Model 70 and Model 700...Is a Ruger worth twice the price of these other two?

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:

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Originally posted by ElCaballero:
Ok you got me. Just can't see owning another right now.

I understand -- I do not need another .375 but I was tempted. Do you think the market is cooling off a bit? Those were getting $800 bids a short while ago, or so I seem to recall.

I think it makes a lighter package than the CZ, but the CZ has the benefit of being new.

Yeah they seem to have dropped off in price. Of course the model 70's have done the same. After they closed the New Haven plant everyone thought that it was going to be impossible to get a CRF rifle. That has cooled some. Rumors abound about the future of the model 70. I think the the biggest contributer to the down market is the rumor of the model 70 to be built in Japan. Some think it will be better quality than what we were getting here in the US.

Archer,
I think you did well with the Win. Remington has never been my favorite in any caliber, of course I am a Mauser nut. The biggest difference in the two is the controlled feeding of the Winchester. I won't comment further as anything else I would say is just personal bias and nothing to do with the reality of the rifles.

Wes

What do you think of the Ruger?

I don't have any experience with Ruger. Like you I found them to expensive for a factory gun. However from what I have heard they are the closest thing to a dangerous game rifle that you can get from a factory. Meaning they feed, function and hold together well. Again this is just what I have read.

My personal experience with Ruger long guns has been extremely poor. I will not likely buy another one ever!

Their handguns....especially the single action big bores are excellent however.

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Originally posted by archer_375:
Now with regard to the .416 debate...How's the recoil of the .416 vs. the .375? I've actually considered a .416 but am not a huge fan of huge recoil...Other issue is I will never find a .416 of anything on the shelf up here (up here is North Dakota)...

Markedly higher, but not brutal. In a properly weighted gun, "fairly tolerable" isn't a bad way to say it.

However, I will say this, the difference between the 375hh and the 416 rem/rigby is generally enough to require SERIOUS shooting training, where I feel that just about anyone can shoot a 375 very well and never grow to fear the gun

jeffe

I am not a Ruger Long Gun fan either but their DG/Magnum rifle really impressed me...Really nice looking and appeared to be put together like a tank...Much more solid looking than the Remington Custom 700...Just thought the price was steep (it was double, in fact I bought the Model 700 and the Model 70 for what the scopped Ruger was going for) compared to the Remington and the Model 70...Also, my PH is a big fan of the Ruger DG/Magnum rifles...

....The 416,s are a large rifle... But a training load of a 400 gr bullet @ 2150 fps works very very well..recoils less than the 375 ,300 gr 2550 fps load..... And is great for not ruining meat.........The problem with the model 70 ,416 Remington is they didn,t make enough and they stopped makeing them.........