I went to the beartooth bullet website and played with there recoil calculator. I put in info on 4 that i shoot i came up with the following info the # after the caliber is recoil in foot pounds on your shoulder 30/06-20fp 338win mag-36fp 45/70--34fp and i put in a 10 guage that i shoot 10 ga.--40fp The rifles all weigh 8 1/2 pounds and the shotgun 9 pounds.Then i put in the following and i used a 9 pound rifle for the info. 416 rem mag--61fp 458 win mag--65fp 458Lott--78fp and i just had to put in the 460wb--115fp. Do you guys see this as an accurate calculation does the 458lott kick twice as much as the 10 guage? I know many have said not to ponder on recoil but i personaly think you should because if a person is recoil shy he or she may never be able to master that rifle.I was looking at one of the first books i ever bought it was back in 1970 i was 14 years old , the book is the hunting rifle by Jack O'Conner in it he said thet the best grizzly rifle is the most powerful rifle you can shoot accuratly. I really like the lott as you can load it to 45/70 specks and work your way up to a comfortable load. Anyway i have till the fall to decide on which caliber to buy and i just wanted to hear from you guys who already shoot these big bores . Thanks Tanoose

Tanoose-Even though the Lott has twice the recoil energy as your 10ga, its affect on you in recoil is about 50% more.The gun and hence you are moved by the energy(assuming you are holding it tight, with a recoil pad of thickness and size to transfer recoil without
breaking the skin), and the energy dissipates as function of the square of that movement.So for a gun to affect you twice as much in comparison
to another gun it would need 4 times the
recoil energy.Ed.

Ed,

Are you trying to say that recoil velocity is what causes discomfort? That is what is seems you are saying since you are speaking to the 2 power relationship. Energy is energy, and you will most definitely feel it! Velocity speaks to how quickly you feel it.

By the way a 15 pound sledge hammer dropped 6 feet (typical wood splitting operation) I can guarantee you that NO 460 Weatherby is generating that much. Hey though, don't take my word for it, take a 15 lb sledge hammer and drop it 6 feet onto the muzzle of a 460 Weatherby magnum and watch that stock split. You may wish to place something on the muzzle though as the hammer head will definitely screw up the barrel.

A 460 Weatherby magnum, weighing ~ 10.5 pounds, really has a recoil energy of ~ 35 ft-lbs with full power (500 gr @ 2582 fps aka 118 gr of IMR4350) loads. That 460 Weatherby magnum kicks about as hard as getting hit in the shoulder by a 5 lb sledge hammer swung 7 feet (actually a little harder)! A 30-06 runs about 6 ft-lbs (165 gr and 53gr of IMR4350). This was actually measured not calculated from some internet 'recoil calculator'.

ASS_CLOWN

Tanoose,
a 458 lott, in a 9# kicks pretty darn well. It's a bit faster and a bit harder than your 10. and yeah, i really think it's about 2x a 10

none of us began with the rifles we end up shooting, and it's definity a question of training and prep.

A 458 lott is probably the best all around "normal" big bore these days.. brass, bullets, load data, and range of safe loads make it a star.. and the fact that midway basicaly gives away 405 grain practice load bullets.

and yes, the 460webby and 577 nitro, in proper weight guns, kick about twice as hard as a lott..

pick a gun you think you want to shoot, and get ready to laod it down to start... that's just good practice.

best of luck
jeffe

Ac-You seem inconsistant.In other thread you holler at me about being to macho in the amount of recoil I think that I can take.And then here you talk about guns hitting like a sledgehammer.Shouldn't let the gun get a run at the shooter, so to speak.Guns are
supposed to be set up with pads and held tight.I answered the fella in the frame of reference he was using; energy figured from the formula for
kinetic recoil energy, which is in ft lbs.. You can use figures that seem like momentum which is in lb-secs, not ft lbs, if you want, but it don't matter, as a 460 Wea in example is about 6 times more than a 3006, either method.The effect on the shooter if gun is held tight, and with a pad in that
instance is about 3 time comparing 06 to 460,
with same weight and gun design.
Gun and shooter move in reaction to the recoil
energy that gun gained on firing, and the energy is dissipated.To move gun and shooter
3 times as far compared to 06, takes more than that in energy.

A good test would be to take 3006 and
460Wea and set then up against 100 lb block on table(flat on table with friction) with butts set in socket tight, barrel in a slide and measure how far block moves on firing.I don't think the 460 will move block 6 times the distance 06 does, but about 3 times.If block isn't heavy enough to stay on table add wt.It is like a comparing other items using energy and/or
dissipating stored energy. Ie, a car with
6 times the hp as another, won't go 6 times faster but about 3 times faster.

As for effect on shooters the 3 times greater effect of the 460 may be more than they can
tolerate,I mean we have folks who shoot 243, because they say 06 kicks to hard.Ed.

I've never fired a 10 gauge, stiffest in shotgun have been 3" 12 ga slugs. I'd say yeah, a 458 Lott (my previous one was 9 1/4 #'s)has about double the wallop of the stiffest 12 ga. I haven't loaded my 500 Jeffrey to it's potential, so can't say how much more it kicks that a 458 Lott, though 600 gr @ 2200 fps get your attention, I'm sure at 2400 that really get your attention.

I also agree the 458 Lott is a very practicle big bore. Just start with 350 gr and work up. Other then cast loads, I probably won't shoot any 500 gr's in my new 458 Lott. 350's and 400's are plenty for NA game, and much milder on the shoulder.

All I can add to this is the following.....although I have fired many diiferent rifles over the years the biggest I own now, outside of my new Merkle 470, was a 9.3 CZ. I don't think the 9.3 is bad at all with 286 Partitions at about 2500+ fps. Needless to say, I was apprehensive the first time I fired the 470. Believe it or not, it is not that bad. Yes it kicks...but unless you want to fire 25 or so from the bench, it IS tolerable. My 17 year old son actually fired it...and he said the same thing. The recoil is not as fast as some other smaller calibers...indeed more of a shove than an abrupt "kick". My 338-06 with 210 gr Part at about 2850 fps (Weatherby Ulralite at 63/4 #) actually "jumps" around more than the 470. No, it doesn't kick as much, but it moves more. That being said, recoil is relative...you wanna know how bad they recoil....go shoot one! 'nuff said. Good luck.

Gary B.

Recoil is a personal thing to each of us and we all have different tolerances...I have not noticed the .470 as more of a shove than an abrupt kick, I think it to be rather abrupt and close to intolerable and any gun that you can only shoot 25 times is bordering on brutal..I load my .470 down to 2020 FPS and its bareable for me....oh I can shoot any of them but I have to think don't flinch and I don't like doing that...