Okay, I suspect this has already been beat up here before, but I wonder if anyone has a What If battery for the Jurrasic Park scenario? I sure as heck would not select the 12 gauge as done in the movie, so how about it? I would throw out the following battery:
Heavy Rifle = .470 Nitro Double
Medium Rifle= .375 H&H M70 or similar
"light rifle" .308 assault rifle, as in H&K-91, FAL or M-14.

Okay, I'll duck and cover.

LLS

heavy 700 nitro or 585 gma

medium 416 rigby or 458 lott

light 375 h&h

For jurassic Park I would take any accurate double from 450/400 to 475.
I would want softs and solids depending on the dinosaur in question.
My 450 No2 would be perfect IMHO.

PS. When do we leave?

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
PS. When do we leave?

Just give me some time to get some solids fed-exed in for my rifles...

AR15 and 5 rolls of toilet paper...

Make mine a double in .450#2 w/ solids please. I would want a .44mag DE also w/ solids for that last stand when the double ammo runs out.

577 nitro for the double.

Mini gun for the work ( like Jesse "the body" had in Predtor)

505ED

.550 Magnum with drop box magazine and LOTS of extras on the belt.

700 grains at dinosaur penetrating velocities.

Yup. I'll second the when do we leave question. My widow and orphans would have another opinion, though, I am sure.

.50 BMG for this dude.

A 700 nitro for the smaller ones and a 4 bore for the Big uns ,i think it was Holland and holland made a ''ALL OUT '' 4 bore to celebrate 100 years of gunmaking and called it the ''saurian '' it had T-REXS and Pterodactyl etc engraved on it.plus 200 rounds and even fossils included with it in a elaborate display case ,the front sight was a small lizard ,havent ever heard again of it since

First off let me thank you for posting this question. I think these discussions are a blast. I think I would take a Barrett semi automatic .50 BMG.

That would be one helluva BBQ afterwards wouldn't it.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/09/09/pterosaur.reut/index.html

18 METER friggin' wing span!

Now I have to ask, what would you choose?

Myself I'm thinking along the lines of the M2 50 cal in a quad mount.

Bob

To start with my 600 OK wth 900 grain FN solids @ 2250 or so.

Next up my 550 Mag with 700 gr FN solids @ 2400 and lastly

a 500Ne with FN solids @ 2050

If I cpuld only have one I'll take the 600 Ok on my GMA that holds 4 and be dam sure I practice a lot.

That said a quad 50 on the back of a hummer would do nicely as well. Or if we're dreaming how about an M1A1......by by mr. t rex

Since we're in the realm of fantasy here, give me the armourment and camoflague of whatever was carried by the Predator in both movies. Or at least his camo. I think I'd have a better chance of sneaky up on one dinosaur without the other eating me if I were invisible.

Otherwise, I'd do all my hunting from a chopper with a 50 BMG.

I'd take a good old fashioned flame thrower!
(With lots of spare fuel tanks!!!)

-Bob F.

M-1 Abrams with full load of APDS, Ma Duce, min. 1000rds of Rufus and APs, and a Zippo flame kit for cleaning up. If they get to thick, just button up, Dino cannot bite through all the armour plate.


Hog Killer

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Originally posted by Sabot:
AR15 and 5 rolls of toilet paper...

damn!! dat was gud!

I would use my 375 H&H and launch a Flat Point solid of some sort. A good Texas Heart Shot on a T-Rex and then run up a tree!!!

Forget the rolls of toilet paper, I would probably wear diapers!

Excellent topic, often thought about this, as I like sci-fi, and am a reptile buff.

A Barret-type weapon was used in the 3rd JP movie - I believe it was supposed to be a 20mm. We assume it was inaffective, as the guy toting it was eaten by a spinosaurus after you hear him shoot 2 or 3 times.

The PH in the 2nd JP movie carried a large double, I'm guessing a .577 or .600. I don't remember him getting off a shot, so don't know how effective it would be.

I won't even go into shotguns on DG.

Theories differ on whether dinosaurs were cold or warm blooded, but todays cold-blooded reptiles in general seem durable, hard to kill -look at crocodile hunts.

If I recall, an adult T-rex was supposed to go around 5-8 tons. They were very fast and muscular. Their skulls are around 4 feet long and very durable, as they attack with their head. That being said, I would theorize that, in this highly hypothetical situation, a neck or throat shot at the spine would be the best bet, as it is the least protected cns area. During a charge, a shot through the back of the mouth should produce a similar result.

Of course, I'm certainly no DG expert. Might be better to "knee-cap" him and run...

Anyway, its Saturday morning, 6:50 AM, and this is the sort of thing I sometimes wonder about when I am drinking coffee on a weekend morning.

Thanks for a fun topic.
Jason

RPG or Javelin, and lots of spare rounds! Better yet M1 Abrams, or better still, A10 Warthog!
Hey, If the Kiwis can get away with shooting thar from helicopters, an A10s 30mm GAU-8 on a t-rex sounds almost sporting!

Cheers, Dave.
Non Illegitium Carborundum

I'd take a FAL, a 416 rigby & a 577 NE double and maybe a big bore revolver too.

if theropods like T .rex are as hard to kill as some of the birds (which they ARE related to) are, I'd be screwed.

One of two ... it would be the 3.25 vertion or the 3.85 vertion of the 700 Hubel Express



Woodleigh 1000 grain on the far left and a PA 1000 grain in the middle next to a small stack of PA's

..I would have to go some of my 1000 grain or even 1100 grain thumbers.

B U T... Then again the 750 Nitro Epress doesn't sound bad ....

Ahh hell just nukem from orbit,

I'd park the USS Missouri off the coast and get in the gunners seat of the bow turret and start slinging lead.

If I had to carry a "man portable gun," I'd take a .600 NE.

Like someone else said I'll just take an A-10 Warthog, Apache would be ok too.

Since 'our' ancestors had, allegedly, a part in wiping out:

Sabre Tooth Tigers,

Wooly Mammoths,

Wooly Rhinoes;

Cave Bears,

Cave Lions etc

I would ask their mums if they could come out to play after tea.

Team work, fire and plunge pits with sharpened pointy sticks / telegraph poles should do the trick.

Please remember that Roman Legion standard bearers - the ones wearing the leopard skin scarf /hat/wrap had to find and kill the leopard by themselves. This was to prove their bravery etc. And all done without a double barrel express rifle or a magnum Mauser.


Firearms?

.577 three inch nitro double barrel & .416 Rigby.

quote:

Originally posted by Hog Killer:
M-1 Abrams with full load of APDS, Ma Duce, min. 1000rds of Rufus and APs, and a Zippo flame kit for cleaning up. If they get to thick, just button up, Dino cannot bite through all the armour plate.


Hog Killer

You really think the AP,APDS or Raufoss rounds would be needed?

This is more along my thinking. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/lav-gen3-specs.htm An instead of a crew of 8 troops extra ammo and something for a good buzz.And I know just who I would take along as a crew.

Heck, Why dont you just Nuke them from orbit???

Where is the adventure, the excitement, the HUNT?

I say get a Double Rifle and wade in amoungst them. Of course I would have a big bore handgun, or 2 for sure.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Heck, Why dont you just Nuke them from orbit???

Where is the adventure, the excitement, the HUNT?

I say get a Double Rifle and wade in amoungst them. Of course I would have a big bore handgun, or 2 for sure.

I'm with you, but I would even resort to a bolt rifle if it was all I had.

quote:

Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Heck, Why dont you just Nuke them from orbit???

Where is the adventure, the excitement, the HUNT?

I say get a Double Rifle and wade in amoungst them. Of course I would have a big bore handgun, or 2 for sure.

Brontosaurus 10-40 tons ,Elephant 13,000 lbs

Tyranosaurus 4.4-7.5 tons , Hippo 7,000 lbs

Tricerotops 7-10 tons , Wht Rhino 5,000 lbs

Titanosaurus 40-70 tons , Blk Rhino 3,000 lbs

Stegosaurus 4-7 tons , Cape Buffalo 1,540

Sure there are much smaller dinosuarus then those above.All the weights on the african game are at the heavy end.Only a dead fool would go out hunting dinosaurus so under gunned.Whatever happened to use enough gun?

baboon
I have seen some dinosauer skulls.
I think my 450 No2 with Woodleigh Solids would penetrate into the brain.
At least I would give it a try.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
.50 BMG for this dude.

This is what I would have.

But what bullet do you think we should shoot.

Ok I'll play........

M79 Gernade laucher, two types of rounds:
1. Beehive or M576 rounds (23ea 00 buck) for the flying tyes
2. M406 HE

Not much on range but somebody who knows how to use one can fire 6-7 rounds a minute.

As a backup a big bore bolt in something like a 505 Gibbs, maybe a 458 Lott.

Don't think a pistol would be worth carrying just extra weight, probably just piss them off if you shot one.

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Originally posted by schromf:
Ok I'll play........

M79 Gernade laucher, two types of rounds:
1. Beehive or M576 rounds (23ea 00 buck) for the flying tyes
2. M406 HE

Not much on range but somebody who knows how to use one can fire 6-7 rounds a minute.

As a backup a big bore bolt in something like a 505 Gibbs, maybe a 458 Lott.

Don't think a pistol would be worth carrying just extra weight, probably just piss them off if you shot one.

Shit ! the pistol is to shoot yourself with for bring such a small rifle to shoot "them " with.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
baboon
I have seen some dinosauer skulls.
I think my 450 No2 with Woodleigh Solids would penetrate into the brain.
At least I would give it a try.

We had a birthday party for two of my daughters at the Dallas Natural History Museum one year. During the dinosaur tour I was checking out shot placement and angles.

Bear in mind that the brains are much smaller than we are used to with mammals. Reaction time to injury should also be slower. But I think a good solid in the right part of the skull should drive bone splinters into the brain or at least give a good concussion.

On the list of how large they are, I think the size of the largest herbivores is irrelevant to me personally as I would be more interested in the carnivores. However, your best bet there would likely be breaking a shoulder or hip and then trying a spine shot as the vitals would be deep inside.

Time to come back from Fantasy Island.

Yeah I didn't pick a 50 cal, but I have shot a lot of Ma Dueces and I know there is no way that the 50 cal ends up being handy. I want to be able to hit them without using a ringmount or a tripod.

I bet the M79 would put a hurting for certain on them anyway.

This would take some homework any way you sliced it, I don't even know where the heart is on these, and aren't there brains about the size of a peanut? Not good. A quick extensive course in dinosaur anatomy would be prudent I think, there has to be some vulnerable areas on these things.

The flying ones might be fun though kinda like pheasant hunting, but my retriever might get a hernia dragging that back, I can see his mug now, with a look like: Daddy your CRAZY!!!

I would be thinking maximum penetration. Maybe a 458 Lott with a 600gr solid. For the smaller ones it would be nice to have a 308 semi-auto with 220gr slugs for more firepower.

That I would be wearing better running shoes than whoever I was hunting with..........DJ

While tall, the T. rex was only about 6 tons (around the same as an African bull elephant). ( http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/trex/specialtrex2.html )

Recently, at the Smithsonian, I had a unique opportunity to stand directly under the skull, which extended over the walking area in its mount. The skull, from that perspective, looks like open lattice-work -- mostly supportive struts. The backbone enters the rear of the skull into a bony space in the struts not much bigger than my fist -- the brain had to fit inside of that. There are a few diagrams of T. rex skulls at http://www.geocities.com/dannsdinosaurs/rexskull.html . The field museum ( http://www.fieldmuseum.org/sue/brain.html ) describes "Sue"'s brain (and shows a picture) as being a knoby sweet potato sized object about 1 foot long... a little bigger than my fist, then.

Compare that to the skull of an elephant. http://www.african-hunter.com/elephant_part_1.htm The elephant's skull is a honey-comb-like bony structure, where the spaces are filled with a gelatinous fluid. You're shooting for an object roughly 4 times the size of a human brain (http://www.himandus.net/elephanteria/library/elefacts/elefacts.html), best imaged as lying on the line between the ear-holes. The shape of the thing is seen here: http://brainmuseum.org/Specimens/proboscidea/elephant/b.../elephantall6clr.jpg
Conclusion: brain shots on T. rex are not likely to be helpful. Body shots are expected to be important.

Evolution put more weight in the mouth of the T. rex -- copmensated by reducing weight (struts and space in the skull, reduced arm sizes, reduced weight in the upper body, more weight in the tail for balance, and legs). This leaves the chest relatively lightly covered -- perhaps not more than an elephant. Anything you could use for a body shot on an elephant would likely have done OK on a T. rex.

Therefore, I'd choose either my .375 H&H or my .458 win... or both.

Of course, that's just T-Rex -- there are other "plains game" critters -- .375H&H fodder, and large vegitarians, likely to behave as "dangerous game," and a few that dwarf T-REX. Veloceraptors were much smaller than Jurrasic park's version -- more like turkeys. But there were "small" preditors that would be leopard size or lion size.

Dan

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