Mike,
Your bugholer load for the 460 is the same one I settled on for target practice with mine: 115 grains of IMR-4350 and 500-grain Hornady RNSP, usually sub-0.5 MOA for three shots, and about 2500 fps. That was my training wheels for big bores.

I hear from Harry McGowen that Krieger was having trouble keeping up with supplying Weatherby with cut rifled barrels, that process being so time consuming, so Mr. Krieger visited Mr. Mcgowen and copied his button rifling machines, and Krieger is now button rifling the Weatherby barrels. In return, McGowen copied Krieger's cryo-treatment process for all McGowen barrels.

It's all good.

Ron,

A Kreiger cut really adds to the dollars from Wby.

Unless things have changed the Kreiger cut option is the way you have to go if want a different contour for calibre. For example, if wnated a 300 Wby wood gun but with the # 3 profile you would need to go Kreiger cut.

Aggain, unless things have changed, if you get the upper end rifle with the special wood etc they only recommend th Kreiger cut because you want one and because in their words....those rifles don't leave here unless they shoot.

Their bread and butter better rifle is the Safari. If you get a top end with the top wood with shiny finish you are looking at 3 years. From what I understand the shiny finish is the problem. But order a Safari with top wood and Kreiger and the wait is not much longer than for a standard Safari.

The Safari has a slightly lower comb for the iron sights. The DGR uses the Accumark stock but with the forend swivel removed. There was not the demand to do a different stock.

They no longer offer the titanium nitride option due to supplier.

The Wby Vanguard is the biggest selling rifle in Australia and by a huge margin. Tikka is a big seller as well as Rem 700 and of course Ruger. Because import costings/taxes apply on all rifles here it results in a difference in the relative pricing as compared to the US.

Most Australians use small calibres such as 223, 22/220 and 243. The 308 is seen as big and easily outsells the 270 but the 270 probbaky outsells the 308 is the more expensive rifles. However, where we are different to the US shooters the blokes with big bores will use then on anything. Probably because of the volume of shooting there is not much importance attached to an animal so efficiency is replaced by fun factor.

The one part of guns which is much cheaper for us than for you fellows is the high end custom rifle on the done up Mauser or M70, like PC's 404 Jeffery.

Ron, you would enjoy a winter nights spotlight shooting with 378 and/or 460. In the freezing dry air they really add some drama to the night

Mike

Mike,
I guess Krieger is button rifling the mass produced Wby barrels. Top end is still cut rifled, as you say.

When I get the .395 Tatanka shooting, it would be perfect for an Australian safari to include water buffalo and varmints. 340 grainers at 2800 fps with BC's of:

FN: .155
HV: .560
SP: .722

A Kentuckian in Australia should be a hoot.

Ron,

That sounds like an excellent spotlighting rifle

Id the 395 Tatanka the 338 Lapua case. We get that brass out here. With bullets, yu get them to Huntingstons and then out they come. My mate Bkair just recently got Huntingtons to buy a a bunch of 338 Nortforks and then organised export license then out to Blair.

Mike

Ron,

You might have seen this onthe 460 thread. The thumbnails expand.

Further down the thread you will a few shots of one of big gun shops and aslo part of the range. And you will notice I potected the little lady's car from the barrel

http://www.weatherby.dk/showthread.php?t=290

Mike,
We'd love to look at those pics but gotta have a user name and password at that site ...

The "398 Lapua" is a .395/.338 Lapua Magnum.

The ".395 Tatanka" is a full length .416 Rigby with 20 degree shoulder, like a "Lapua Long."

Both still in incubation. That reminds me to give harry McGowen another call ...

Ron,

That type of site is the only where I know how to post pictures.

Why don't you take the 10 seconds to register, another site.

quote:

The ".395 Tatanka" is a full length .416 Rigby with 20 degree shoulder, like a "Lapua Long."

a 395/378 with some taper, eh

Mike,
Yes, a .395/378 Weatherby with 20 degree shoulder, no belt, Rigby case body taper and Rigby rimless rim, and .400" neck length. A few grains less water capacity than the .378 Wby.

It is also known as the "Forty-Double-Ought-Seven" for the year of it's creation, '007, and it is closer to 40-caliber than the 30'06 is to 30-caliber. Similar sleek beauty too.

Nice to admire your bizarre acquisition of 4 at once .378 Wby Mark V's, thanks for the nudge.
Great facilities for shootin' in Sydney too.
We are a bunch of hicks by comparison here.

Ron,

We had a 378 party that day at the gunshop then back home.

A couple of the other blokes came it with some interesting gear. A very nice rifle (although it sound fucking terrible) isa run of 135 that Wby did in 375 H&H with quarer rib etc and a bit lower grade than the Safari. Made in Japan. But a beautiful gun to handle. The rilfe has never been fired. A couple of Nesika and Witcitas (Sp). A German 460. A couple of Ultra Light Arms. They are are unreal. You just at the rilfe and it jumps up in your hands.

I will probably end up doing a pair of 30/378 the same as the 378s so that way the pair of 30/378s and the pair of 460s can sit either side of the 378s. Although there is a good chance the 30/378s could miss the boat and it could be and extra pair of 460s.

The problem with the 30/378s is hard to load them back and with full loads the brake is on the same as the 378 and it does not off all that much speed over the 378s.

As a side note, I have rarely owned more than two calibres at the same time and even then ony for a short time. Apart from other things I like being able to share components.

Blair would like to buy one of my 378s which is a very pretty one by 4 378s are actual 2 pairs as the stocks are different.

John S thinks I need the custom shop barreled action rifle in 300 Wby.....but then that would fuck up the matching plus I would need another shell holder

Mike

Mike,
You are certifiable. However, what you are certifiable as, I am not sure.

That would be "Wichita" Arms, eh? I think they just recently folded up their shop in Wichita, Kansas and went home.

They were well made rifles and in 222 I think.

One has been shot and is tops. The bloke that owns the Nesikas owns them.

One of the things that appeals to me about Wbys and doubly so when they are higher cost versions and in calibres like 378 is they way they shit people

Mike

quote:

Originally posted by SuperSpeed:
They were well made rifles and in 222 I think.

One has been shot and is tops. The bloke that owns the Nesikas owns them.

One of the things that appeals to me about Wbys and doubly so when they are higher cost versions and in calibres like 378 is they way they shit people

Mike

Mike,

Fair dinkum..............shitting people, you mate?

If you get a pair of 30-378's , I'll have a proper spew

Get a few 338/378's..........you admitted to me on the phone the other night it was the best of the big WBYs

Ron,

If you go spotlighting 'roos with Mike be prepared for a BUMPY ride; if they are missed or wounded, he doesn't waste more ammo, he just orders the "driver" to run over them...............

Blair,

A 30/378 with 18 inch barrel and 350 Chev chase vehichle would make for a spectacular shoot

Mike

375vs375vs375vs375....

I'm in this exact same position now. After selling my last 375 H&H, I got to thinking about what I liked and didn't liek about the cartridge. I liked most everythign except the cases didn't last too long.

I thought it was just because the Brno 602 I had was equipted wiht a 'generous' chamber- which resulted in cases coming out looking almost like Ackely Improved! But I loaded for a friends 375 H&H too, and his cases didnt last much longer, either, so I pretty much chalk it up to the sloping case stretchign faster than a steeper shouldered case.

Performance on game, accuracy, recoil- all that stuff was fine on the H&H.

I wanted a fairly light rifle that I could pack easily, after dragging around that heavy 602 wiht a heavy custom stock on a few bear hunts. But I wanted longer case life too, so I started looking:

375 RUM?- Too much of a good thing, and unnecessary for my purposes

375 Weatherby/375 AI ?- Not bad,probably a good choice, although in a lighter rifle, may have more recoil than desired.

375/338? Hmm- here was something- same ballistics as the H&H, and coudl be chambered in any long action rifle. Steeper shoudlers so no worries abotu case life. Only issue was neck expanding (or fireforming) and finding a reamer..

I was starting to look into the 35/338 for a bit, bougth a stainless Mdl 70 Classic action to build one, and then the Ruger was announced....

Same as 375 H&H ballisticlaly (or prettty close). Brass shoudl last longer than the H&H. If I can get ahold of 100-200 pieces of brass, then brass availablity won't be an issue.

I'd use that Mdl 70 Stainless action, stick a 22" barrel on it and a Macmillan stock and I'd have a great little handy rifle, with all the performance of an H&H.

But, being in Canada, who knows when brass will get here. If the action has to languishg much longer, I may break down and just get another H&H built. Hell, I still have the Redding dies...

Also...If for some reason brass runs out fo rth eRuger- or i dont' like it. I can just screw a different barrel in there, as there wont' be any mods to the action that woudl prevent changing it up to a H&H in the future or whatever....

I just shot my .375 RUM last weekend.... yeah it kicks!

- Clint