Does this look familiar?



(different stock this time)

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976668324.htm

Triggers are backwards... a double double waiting to happen...

Steve, this your rig?

jeffe

I would feel sorry for whoever was shooting it if it did double.

I bet it is TIGHT on face.

500Grains:

This probably isn't relevant - I happened to be present some years ago in my gun shop hangout when a 700 Nitro was being delivered to the customer. Of course, I asked about the piece. When I heard "700 Nitro Express" I was awed. I was even more awed when I looked at the customer. (he seemed to weigh about 140 lbs). Then again, by fantastic coincidence I was on a rifle range about 4 days later - and saw this guy. Needless to say, I watched -what was not a pretty sight. Apparently he had decided to "sight in" as if it was a 22. Thus he sat down at the bench. The first shot nearly knocked him off the seat. The second shot (when he decided to try and "tuck in" the rifle) gave him a bloody nose. He was peddling the rifle for sale up and down the range the rest of the morning. That's what I know about the 700 Nitro!

Just goes to show, just cause some folks have the money, that does not mean they have the skill to operate expensive toys. Thats kinda like buying a helicopter and trying to fly it without a single lesson(or a clue). BTW that crash vid is floating around on the internet too.

Few people really know how to shoot heavy calibers without hurting themselves. It's not hard and often those little guys actually do way way better than the big guys in dealing with recoil. I have never once shot one from a reat and never will. In my world, the .700NE just isn't that impressive as compared to the .600Ok or 12GaFH.-Rob

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Posted 22 December 2005 02:52
Few people really know how to shoot heavy calibers without hurting themselves. It's not hard and often those little guys actually do way way better than the big guys in dealing with recoil. I have never once shot one from a reat and never will. In my world, the .700NE just isn't that impressive as compared to the .600Ok or 12GaFH.-Rob

Yep. Just think of Elmer Keith

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Originally posted by Frank Martinez:

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Posted 22 December 2005 02:52
Few people really know how to shoot heavy calibers without hurting themselves. It's not hard and often those little guys actually do way way better than the big guys in dealing with recoil. I have never once shot one from a reat and never will.

Yep. Just think of Elmer Keith

FRANK. Elmer had better sense than to cart around a rifle that had to weigh as much as a 700 Nitro has to weigh. His 577NE was heavy enough. The recoil hurting you isn't the problem, as much as it is recovering from it quick enough to get off a second shot, if you screw up on the first, before you get a tusk up your butt!

500Grians you ought to get it out of your system, and buy that thing! Hell I'll build you a trailer to hual it on, behind the bakki!

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In my world, the .700NE just isn't that impressive as compared to the .600Ok or 12GaFH.-Rob

ROB, are you into body piercings, chains, cat-of-nine tails,and leather? You seem to like being hurt, as much as the animals you shoot!

Mac,

Thank you very much for the offer, but no trailer will be needed. The rifle pictured weighs in at a very slim 18 pounds. I figure the way to carry it on a stalk is to disassemble it, put the forerarm in my pocket, carry the buttstock in my hand, and have one of the trackers carry the barrels. The PH can carry my ammo.



But the real danger with such a beastie is hangfires, unless you get powder compaction just right. The .700 NE case is about an inch too long for the powder charge used, hence the need for a gigantic filler. I also wonder if it would be possible to drill out the primer pocket to fit .50 BMG primers for more reliable ignition.

As for buying it, I tried once. But my generous offer of $10K was immediately, firmly and definitively rejected, so I suppose I will never own a .700 NE.

So Rob? Exactly how do you shoot a big gun?

I've put about 80 rounds or so through my .416 Rigby, in rougly a 10lb Ruger #1 (including scope).

It's a real beast shooting it off a bench to sight in the scope, but standing up with it it doesn't seem too terrible if I just let the go to some degree.

I do find myself having to make a conscious effort sometimes at the range after 4 or 5 rounds to resist flinching or tightening up on it too much, and I realize that .416 isn't in the same league as an Mbogo, Gibbs, Nyati or anything along those lines.

Any advice or pointers from you more experienced big bore shooters?

I've seen that #1 of mine back my 400 lb uncle up about 3 steps and him cuss the gun after he shot it. And my Dad who's about my size barely even seems to even buck with it. For me, I think I'm better with it now than when I had it, and it doesn't move me or the gun much, but it's still awfully pushy with me. Generally I rise about 8" high and about 3" right or so after a shot.

Ben- First of all whatever you do don't let yourself develop a flinch. It can ruin your shooting for life. First of all develop lots of upper arm strength. Three times a week I practice just lifting. mounting and holding a heavy gun up receiting the BRAS mantra and holding just until the sights start wandering. Put it down relax the muscles and repeat.
At the range, I first think through exactly how I'm going to mount the gun and hold it. I sngle my body towards the target, rightr foot extended and bent slightly. My feet are almost 90 degrees apart, stiff back leg and lean hard into the gun like a shotgun shooter. I'm a lefty so I put alot of power into gripping the gun in my right hand and tucking my elbow into my body. Get real solid this way. I pull the gun into my shoulder tight and get my face down on the stock with a hard cheek weld. I then concentrate on the target, BRAS mantra, and sqeeze the trigger. The gun should go off as a surprise and move me back at the hips. My head never moves off the stock and I let m,y back muscels take the recoil not my neck. I've seen other experienced Big Bore shooters do basically the same thing. I hope this helps. By the way, I just taught my friends wife ( 120lbs soaking wet) to shoot my .416 Rigby off hand using exactly the technique I just described. Two trips to the range and she can stay on a pie plate at 50 yrds. Full power loads.-Rob

I shoot just factory loads in mine. I hit my targets, and generally can hold about 1.5 - 2" groups with a scope off a rest at 100 yds.

Just after a few rounds my right shoulder acts like it just doesn't wanna go up to the stock anymore, and I catch it shying away. Hard to describe, and I know it must sound strange, but even though I wanna keep shooting, my shoulder just doesn't seem as enthusiastic about it and it's hard to snug it up to the stock. The first few rounds are fine.

I've shot all my life, everything from 1911s to .44s and .454 revolvers. Back in the late 90s I was an IDPA tourney. shooter using a Colt 1911. I don't know how many thousands of rounds of .45 I've been through with never any problems.

The biggest other rifle I have is my .300 and I can hold a bead on it and squeeze it off like it was a pellet-rifle or .22.

Even the .416 I don't have a problem with it to start with, just after a few rounds I have to actually think about it not to pull it.

Maybe I just need more time with it. 80 rounds over 3 years really isn't that much, but since I don't reload, if I tried to shoot it much more, I doubt I could afford to feed the rigby and my family both.

One thing I'll definately try is tucking my elbow into my side. I tend to keep my support arm sort of far out, and my trigger arm up just about parallel to the ground.

500 Grains,

Ouch, having a 700 NE, all that potential power and then have to worry about hangfires. Is this because the cartridge may have been designed for black powder? Couldn't you use one of the slowest powders, like 7828 long cut and then put some bullsye in first to light it off??

Dak

why not drop 1 or 2 grains of bullseye in before the main charge? Saeed did it...

Ben589-I've used that right arm tuck very successfully over the years first in Garand Matches and later in .22 silhouette shooting. I shot high Master class in both. You definately need to start reloading. Another trick I used to use when training people is to put a few light loads in the gun and one full power load. You could easily see if they flinched or developed various bad habits. The worst IMHO is taking your head off the stock. One friend did that with my .600OK and it smacked him so hard on the cheek the inside of his mouth bled like crazy for almost an hour.
By the way, put an F990 pad on your gun. It will help your shoulder immensely. Nothing wrong with wearing a Past recoil pad on your shoulder either. I actually had my wife sew one into my shooting jacket. Finally put some bandaids on your trigger finger so that there is some cushion if on recoil it hits the front of the triggerguard. Right handed shooters also need to be carefull of the bolt handle.Once when Jeffe was shooting my 585 NYATI, it wacked him so hard he thought he had broken his hand.
Being left handed but liking right hand bolt handles saves me from any concern over this.
Really good stock design also helps, you want the stock to transmit the recoil straight back into your shoulder/body so that you move at the hips in as close to a straight backwards drive as possible. Guns that kick upwards usually are the result of badly designed stocks. As I've also said a million times before, muzzel brakes reduce the recoil about 50% on high pressure cartridges and everyone shoots better with reduced recoil. Anyway, those are my thoughts and what works for me. If your ever in LV I'm sure I could get you shooting the .600OK in no time.
As for the ignition problems with the .700NE, all I can say is uniform the flash hole. I sometimes drill them out a little more and use IMR7828. I have had perfect ignition in the .600OK with Fed 215 primers without any bulleseye. -Rob

Ya know -- the really sad part ...

I was in Las Vegas last June this year for about a week. I was staying at the Paris Las Vegas, there with the Eiffel Tower and the big ballon thing out front right next to the Aladdin. There's a steak place in the Paris called Le Artists or something in french that actually makes a pretty good steak.

I was there on business, so not a lot of free time during the day, but my evenings were still off. I'm not sure when/if I'll be back that way, but I'll let you know if my schedule permits.

I had a friend of mine down from Connecticut a few years ago (He was a former Air Force B-52 pilot, so I figured he'd at least be familiar with small-arms.)

We went out shooting, plinking with the .22 for a while mostly, then we saw a turtle down at my pond and I grabbed my scoped Marlin 1895 in .44mag. Bob asked if he could shoot the turtle, so I gave him the rifle ... he fires, and turns around and the scope on that 1895 has peeled a chunk of his eyebrow away from his head and it was dangling down over his eye and bleeding all over the place.

He'd apparently put his eye RIGHT AGAINST the scope -- I had just assumed he'd know better than that and just handed him the gun, but I guess not. Luckily, he'd already had a few beers and he wasn't too bothered by it. We cleaned his head up then duck-taped his eyebrow back to his forehead and it healed ok, but he broke the reticle of my scope (Simmons Aetec).

He went home and told his wife he'd gotten his eyebrow cut by a guy with a broken bottle in a South Alabama bar fight.

Back on topic -- I'll probably start reloading at some point. I've never reloaded anything and I'm still just somewhat intimidated by it as a "mystery science".

I've had all the stuff before, I had a fellow shooter just give me his old Dillon 550 and a truckload of brass, and I thought about it then, but when I was doing IDPA, I could get a virtually unlimited supply of all the .45 ACP ball and 5.56 I could shoot in little little brown cardboard boxes at an undisclosed price, and that shot fine for me.

Unfortunately the days of "undisclosed price" 45 ball are over for me now.

Thanks for the advice, and your offer. If I ever get out that way again, I may just take you up on it.

By all means look me up if you get out this way. I'd also show you just how easy reloading is. I've been doing it since I was 13 and there probably isn't much I have not reloaded for. In fact, I doubt I even own any factory ammo other than .22's. Lots of people here can get you started and it allows you to shoot one heck of alot more.
In Zim a few years ago a German hunter crept up too close on his Schmidt&Bender and damn near cut his eyebrow off. Bled like a pig. Of course, yours truly to the rescue with some superglue. Fixed him up just fine. He claims it is a duelling scar now.-Rob

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Originally posted by dakota45056:
Ouch, having a 700 NE, all that potential power and then have to worry about hangfires. Is this because the cartridge may have been designed for black powder? Couldn't you use one of the slowest powders, like 7828 long cut and then put some bullsye in first to light it off??

The .700 NE was designed in the 1980's for smokeless powder. They just made the case too big, plain and simple. Using a slower burning powder is fine for a bolt or falling block single shot. But in a double you must be careful of pressures and pressure behavior is not always intuitive.

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why not drop 1 or 2 grains of bullseye in before the main charge? Saeed did it...

Fine for the shooting range, but not so great for international air travel and then walking 15-20 miles per day for 21 days on an elephant hunt. There is not much chance that the Bullseye would stay next to the primer with all that jostling. And once the Bullseye moves, it could cause somewhat of a secondary pressure spike instead of serving as an ignitor.

Ben,

Did he hit the turtle

man i really loved that rifle......the gentle man i sold it to owens a 8 bore smokless doouble and 4 bore and 577 and a 600 so he figures he has no need for the 700 i got my money so i could care less what he dose with it.


ill be plenty happy with my hot rodded 505 shooting 600 grain solids at 2500+

ill probably get another 700 nitro but in a falling block action. its just not worth the money in a double.

Steve,

Why don't you call Tom and ask him what the deal is. Why did he build a right handed stock and leave it with left handed triggers? Why is he selling it? Why is it worth 15K more now than when you sold it a few months ago? etc., etc., etc.

After building several rifles on the #1 action I have found the Break makes a great practice tool.450 nitro with 110 grains of N-560 powder, 500 grain RN bullet and 215 mag. primers are punishing. One customer refused a break and added a 500 nitro barrel later on; he likes watching people whot the cannon. For most the break on 416 and bigger makes the rifle standable from the bench. The thread cover helps when the break is not used for hunting. I see mention of a 60 cal rifle and wonder if you will share the case parent caseand what it delivers? thanks Merry Christmas.

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Originally posted by Bills Accuracy:
I see mention of a 60 cal rifle and wonder if you will share the case parent caseand what it delivers?

.600 Overkill
900 grain bullet, 2400 fps
custom brass from Horneber
basically a .600 NE with the rim turned off and a belt added.

Funny how fast the big ones often change hands, ain't it?

700N, I noticed you mate also has his 577 and 8 double for sale. There has to be a story here....

Bob

ya he cant make up his mind. is the short version.

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Originally posted by 700 nitro:
ya he cant make up his mind. is the short version.

Eventually he will see the light and just use a 470 NE.

Has he ever hunted with a rifle above .50?

Ya know Paul, that's a good question. When he was shooting, I was watching him, and then when he turned around bleeding the turtle was a distant memory at that point.

I think he may have. He blew up a lot of water near the turtle anyway.

But as to whether he got it -- I really don't know

yes he has hes used rifles for hunting all the way and past my 700

he used the 700 to shoot two bision in november.......hes shot cape buff in africa with a 500 he shot stuff cannot rememebr with the 577 and hes got a 8 bore and 4 bore doubles as well.