After finishing my 338 ultramag found I had spare SS Ruger mag action, what to do? A quick check on fleabay and for the princely sum of $90 a new 416 Ruger Alaskan barrel with sights came my way. Long to short-it headspaced with no work, just reindex front sight and barrel band, rear sight no prob as will use necg peep locked on one side in addition to Burris 1 1/2-6 Signiture scope in Ruger SS rings. Yes a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while. Can't find brass so will neck up 375 R. First firing with 350 Speer and Varget looks pretty good. Any load data for 350 Barnes and RL17? Thanks, Lynn

It is nice when a plan comes together

Look at alaska arms llc quick detach for the ruger bases! I love mine on my 416 ruger

Congratulations. I do like this cartridge with the 350 TSX. I have some of the Tipped version that I need to load.

I have the 20" Alaskan version which is a handy little rifle. It came with the Hogue stock. No complaints as to the utility of the stock, but replaced it with a McMillan classic which I like better.

I currently have a Kahles 1.5-6x42 Kahles 1st focal on mine, with the Alaska Arms rings. I put it on for the range when I began loading for it, and just left it on. I used it one season in factory form with this scope.
I do plan on putting a straight tube 1.1-4x24 on it using the same rings.

I really like the 20" barreled Rugers my 375 Ruger is a Alaskan barrel on a tang safety M77 in a laminated stock. They are great as they are handy but don't give up much to a longer barrel. Nothing I have hit complained about it being weak. Anyone have a good load for 350 triple shock? Thanks, Lynn

I’m running the 300tsx around 2700fps a little under I think.

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Originally posted by Lynn Beier:
After finishing my 338 ultramag found I had spare SS Ruger mag action, what to do? A quick check on fleabay and for the princely sum of $90 a new 416 Ruger Alaskan barrel with sights came my way. Long to short-it headspaced with no work, just reindex front sight and barrel band, rear sight no prob as will use necg peep locked on one side in addition to Burris 1 1/2-6 Signiture scope in Ruger SS rings. Yes a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while. Can't find brass so will neck up 375 R. First firing with 350 Speer and Varget looks pretty good. Any load data for 350 Barnes and RL17? Thanks, Lynn

Welcome to the 416 club.

Although I am an old 416Rigby aficionado I recognize the 416Ruger as maybe the queen of the lightweight dangerous game calibers. Scope and rifle can be down near 9-9.5 lbs (and under $1000). That is an easy carry for a caliber that can hold its head high against cape buffalo or whatever. And the 416 with either 300, 330 or 350 grain bullets can produce velocities over 2600fps and up, enough to make it an all-around all-comers rifle, at least to 300 yards and 400 yards with a rangefinder.

Now to the good news!

You will find 416Ruger brass in stock at
http://www.powder-valley.com/p...ASS/416%20RUGER.aspx
and at a great price, $46.33/50.

One good turn deserves another. Someone just pointed me to inexpensive 500 AccRel brass.

Cowabunga, for peanut gallery!

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Any load data for 350 Barnes and RL17? Thanks,

Again, my loads are all for the 416Rigby for which I recognize that R-17 is a great powder. I use 101.5 grains in the Rigby for 2820fps with 350TTSX.

However, the Ruger has a more constricted capacity and probably needs a faster powder. GSC recommends H48895 with their 330grain GSC-HV for 2700fps in a 24" barrel, or about 2620 in a 20" barrel. They do not give the grains for the max load, they simply say to start with 71.5grains and work up until you reach 2700fps (or 2620fps in a 20" barrel).

That is pretty good advice. From extrapolation of 416Rem data, et al., I would expect the max load in the 76-78grain range. Barnes 3rd edition lists 80grains H4895 with 350 Barnes X in 416Rem. The Ruger is a couple grains smaller, although the GSC and newer TTSX bullets are easier on pressure than the old X-bullet.

Try RL 15 up to around 79-80 gr with a 350 TSX

I always got great accuracy and velocity in my 416 Remmy using BL-C2. Start around 80 gr. and work up.

Try some other bullet/powder combos

416 Ruger Guide rifle

350 TSX 76gr Varget av 2396 sub MOA

370 NFSS 76 Varget av 2448 sub MOA

370 CEB Safari Raptor 77gr H335 mildly compressed, av 2506fps, sub MOA, go to load

H335 -- go to powder for big bores in bolt guns

If you use the NECG peep sight you need a taller front sight. XS Sights has plastic front sight to use as a temporary sight to determine the proper height. You can also use a roofing nail as a try sight with the head filed down to fit the dovetail. Tape it to the barrel. There is also a formula in the Brownell's catalog or Gunsmithing Kinks. Sure be nice if someone made a removable grip cap to store the peep sight. NECG cap is too small for their peep sight. Idiots. Ruger rings are repeatable. Just carry a Leatherman. Who doesen't?
Hornady manual has 416 Ruger loads. I got highest velocity with MR 2000 powder. The 416 Ruger is very close to the same case capacity as the 416 Remington.

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Originally posted by bobmn:
NECG cap is too small for their peep sight.

PSA - don't pull off the peep to make it a ghost ring, on the necg/ruger rear sight ... the peep holds the adjustment

Jeff: I am not suggesting to remove the aperture on the sight. The NECG removable grip cap has too small of a diameter opening and the NECG receiver sight will not fit into the compartment in the stock pistol grip. Do you know who makes a larger diameter grip cap so the sight can be stored with the rifle? I marched all over Zimbabwe with the sight in a pocket and I am afraid I am going to loose it.

Brownells, New England Arms, make such a grip cap..Not sure if they will take that item as I have not seen one..They will take a Talley peep..

Have you considered have a small pouch made to fit on your cartridge belt, that works well for me with the talley QD peep...

Ray: Great ideas there. Thanks. I have a Talley peep which is substantially smaller then an NECG Ruger peep. My understanding is that the Talley needs a machine cut in the base. Have you ever fit the Talley peep to a Ruger integral receiver rear base?

Since I have changed the majority of my Ruger rifles into the old canoe paddle stocks I make a cutout in the web under the grip panels that securely holds the Ruger peep sights from their scout rifle

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Originally posted by 458Win:
Since I have changed the majority of my Ruger rifles into the old canoe paddle stocks I make a cutout in the web under the grip panels that securely holds the Ruger peep sights from their scout rifle

Great idea.
Besides the Ruger scout rifle peep, the NECG peep that fits the Ruger integral rear base:

is the best one that NECG makes, the only one of theirs that I truly like.



Above Zytel stock has a custom Pachmayr Decelerator pad installation.
(I need to replace those Warne QD lever rings with the standard Ruger OEM rings.)
I also do this with the factory rubber buttplate:



Rip ...

The problem with the NECGS is you can't make it a ghost ring

Phil: Is that because even if you drill out the aperture to a larger size there is too much "body" of the sight blocking the view around the outside of the aperture?

Yes

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Ruger peep sights from their scout rifle

Phil,
have you got a part number for that sight?
thanks!

No I don't but it shouldn't be hard to find. Nor expensive .

Found it. Looks like a hole must be drilled and tapped? Looks like NEG has a new Ruger "ghost ring" sight in response to the issue you describe.

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Originally posted by 458Win:
The problem with the NECGS is you can't make it a ghost ring

That is a bit harsh.
The aperture on the NECG Ruger sight (I might have drilled out an old one) is bigger, closer to the eye, and a wee bit lower than the Scout rifle sight.

Here it is with both equidistant from the camera:



A comparison when both are situated on the integral base:





Since the NECG is a little lower, you might not need such a high front sight:



Now I gotta see what the new one from NECG looks like ...

Rip ...

https://www.newenglandcustomgu...ices/Peep_Sights.asp




The N-100G Ghost Ring Sight for Ruger Rifles design was taken from our popular Ghost Ring sights for the CZ 550 and 527. This all steel blued sight is fully adjustable for windage and elevation. No gunsmithing required*. Comes with a .093" aperture. .060" and .125" Ghost Ring apertures sold separately.

*Originally designed for use on the integral scope bases of the #1 and Model 77, this sight has proven itself on other models as well. Since each Ruger seems to shoot differently we cannot tell you exactly what size front bead is going to work for your rifle with our peep sight. We suggest you first shoot the gun with our peep sight on it to determine whether your original front bead will work or whether a different one is needed. We offer replacement beads for the #1 and Model 77, for all others we suggest you contact your local gunsmith or Brownell's at (800) 741-0015 for further assistance. Owners of the Mini-14 Ranch have reported great success with their original front sights, while some owners or 77/22's have reoported needing higher front beads. (Note to Mini-14 Ranch Rifle owners: These sights were designed to go on the rear scope base and not to replace the factory supplied aperture sight.)

Rip
I don't have either to compare but I am guessing the airspace around the Aperture I the Ruger sight creates a wider view for the aiming eye than does the NEG sight. ??
The new NEG sight looks far more like the Ruger's. Does the Ruger scout sight require a drill and tap to secure?

Fury01,

Thanks for posting about the new NECG peep. I was oblivious to this 2016 development.

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Originally posted by Fury01:
Rip
I don't have either to compare but I am guessing the airspace around the Aperture I the Ruger sight creates a wider view for the aiming eye than does the NEG sight. ??

Yep, it would obscure some area around the killing zone, but the killing zone viewed is bigger with the NECG.

The new NEG sight looks far more like the Ruger's. Does the Ruger scout sight require a drill and tap to secure?

Yes, the Ruger scout sight does require drilling and tapping a hole in the integral base recess where the recoil stop of a Ruger ring goes.
So, a single hex-drive screw is holding the sight on.
The NEW NECG sight is more strongly attached with both a recoil stop and the massive (by comparison to the single screw of the Ruger scout peep) clamping nut(s) on each side of the sight ...
I assume it is like the old one with two nuts.
Can't see from the picture.
And, it looks like the NECG ghost peep might be lower than the Ruger scout peep.
So existing front sight would be more likely to work.

Rip ...

As always; thanks Rip, for the work to share excellent information. I appreciate it.

Bobmn,
Talley will make that cut if you order a base from him...I take out the screw, use a marker to punch or coler the location of the cut out your refureing to and grind it to a U shape with a dremmel tool, very easy job..or a gunsmith should do it for $5 or $10, mine wouldn;t charge me for such a job. but I might have to buy coffee or even lunch depending on my timing!!!

Im not fond of the Ruger QD peep, its poorly designed for hunting..A custom smith could make a simple one for about the same cost..Id want him to build the base small and have a sliding peep for windage..Id use a .500 NECG gold faced square partridge and file it to zero at the range...

Ray thanks for the info on the Talley.

BtW I also drill the Talley peep hole as large as I can..Best I recall I cut the last one to .125 or larger. I cut as much as possible without weakening it.

Its very easy to cut a custom base that's small and dovetail it for a slide in. windage by tapping, Use a .500 Gold faced NECG partride post for elevation, Its a half inch high so all you have to do is file it down to zero..You can do this with almost any rifle if you can drill and tap a hole and cut a dovetail..

I,m doing one on a Savage Single Shot break open mod. 219 30-30, It should be small enough to let a scope clear when properly loacated...or at least that's the plan..I did one on a Win. mod. 71, and it was really neat using the base of a Win. bolt peep I had on hand....

Ray: When I looked at the Talley peep I was surprised to see no elevation adjustment, just windage by drifting it in the dovetail. Do you know if there is much difference in elevation for a 400 grain bullet at 2400 fps and a 300 grain bullet at 2625 fps?
On the top of my Talley peep where the aperature screws in there is a hole. Does a set screw go there? I got a small allen wrench with the sight but I see no screw any where on my sight. There is a thumb scew on the right side but is not allen head.