Vote in This poll

Question:
1- Is The 375 A Big Bore?

2- Is The 375 A Medium Bore?

3- Is The 375 A Medium Bore That Deserves To Be Included In The Big Bore Forum

Choices:
1-Yes
1-No
2-Yes
2-No
3-Yes
3-No

 

I have a better idea. Since the 375 is so popular, I think it deserves its very own Forum. We can take a poll but I think it should be called "The 375 Forums." Besides, if it was moved down you might end up making the medium forum folks angry thinking it's too big. Really what we have here is a cartridge with no identity, no place to call home, a dog in search of a master.

Thanks for the poll guys. Great idea. Saeed, let's kick the .375 down to the medium bores where it belongs.

The Old Man once described the 375 H&H as too much for 95% of the game we hunt but not quite enough for the other 5%.

I like the idea of a dedicated .375 forum. All those pesky "heavy medium" posts make it hard to find the "45/70 Guide Gun for Buffalo" threads...

What gave you guys the idea this was a democracy? The fellas who set up the site did it the way they wanted it done. If you don't like it ... start your own site.

Having used the .375 H&H a good deal I consider it a do all dangerous game caliber and a big bore, and have 0 complaints on it for anything..

I prefer a .416 Rem or 404 but for no good reason..Most that disparge the .375 are those that have read to much and taken it to heart and those that have never used it..

It seems that you can only vote on one of these questions.
Peter.

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Originally posted by nordrseta:
The Old Man once described the 375 H&H as too much for 95% of the game we hunt but not quite enough for the other 5%.

I like the idea of a dedicated .375 forum. All those pesky "heavy medium" posts make it hard to find the "45/70 Guide Gun for Buffalo" threads...

It depends on who you ask. The British have always considered it a "medium bore". I believe this is because they tended to run around with bores that were a lot bigger. But it is definitely a "big bore" in the U.S., when compared with what we use for most applications......

Granted that the .375 H&H leaves a little to be desired as a cartridge for STOPPING enraged dangerous animals in the elephant/rhino/hippo class, particularly when they are wounded, it is adequate for killing them when one is hunting with a PH who is carrying a stopper for backup. I have never heard a seasoned African hunter that considered it too light for Cape Buffalo.....

Being born and raised in the United States and in particular in the south I can only remember as a youngster hearing and then reading about small bore and big bore rifle matches. I came to equate this designation to be rimfire and centerfire and really not much on how big the hole was in the barrel. I actually carried this differention between the two terms all thru my life until reading Boddingtons book Safari Rifles where he groups into the caliber groups. I still didn't pay to much attention to it until participating on this forum where above all else it seems if it is not in the British tradition it must someway be inferior to all other manners. I don't believe it makes a tinkers damn whatit is called and doesn't change a single fact of it's use. As Shakespeare (a rather obscure British playwrite) said 'It's Much Ado About Nothing'.

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Originally posted by mstarling:
What gave you guys the idea this was a democracy? The fellas who set up the site did it the way they wanted it done. If you don't like it ... start your own site.

my kinda guy!!!!

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Thanks for the poll guys. Great idea. Saeed, let's kick the .375 down to the medium bores where it belongs.

It seems that the majority of those voting disagree with you. Have you ever hunted DG with a .375?

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Originally posted by mstarling:
What gave you guys the idea this was a democracy? The fellas who set up the site did it the way they wanted it done. If you don't like it ... start your own site.

+1

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Thanks for the poll guys. Great idea. Saeed, let's kick the .375 down to the medium bores where it belongs.

Dave, I didn't realize you now owned this site and could tell Saeed what to do. After all, "let's" means "let us" and since YOU won't be actioning anything on moving anything, you must be attempting to command Saeed to do it.

As posted on another thread at https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4711043/m/642106858

"For purposes of this forum, did not the owner of this site make the designation of small, medium, and Big Bore? IMHO we are not going to change anything"

Why is this so hard to understand

So ,,But ,, there is a good question in all this , and I don,t think it has anything to do with trying to tell Saeed what to do ...

But on merits of it,s killing ability when everything goes wrong and the hunted becomes the hunter ....Will a 375 caliber rifle preform like a 416 ,458 ,475 or 500 .or larger .....And I don,t mean with a cns shot .....

Pondoro said it pretty much needed its own catagory . Which now a days has been minimized by great bullets and powder and 60,000 plus psi able cartridges ...

Is the 375 RUM and 378 Weatherby large bore and the 375 H&H and Ruger medium bores ???

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What gave you guys the idea this was a democracy? The fellas who set up the site did it the way they wanted it done. If you don't like it ... start your own site.

But it's unfair to the 9.3's!!





P.S. I voted yes to #3.

Holy Smokes, I never thought that my question would engender such controversy!

Prewar70 thinks the whole discussion is stupid. Jetdrvr says I have no street cred (he's right, I have never hunted dangerous game with a .375. I've not hunted outside the USA and Canada.) and Jeff thinks I trying to "command" Saeed. Jeff, that was honestly not my intent and I am sorry if I offended either you or Saeed.

Guys, I am truly sorry if I offended anyone with my suggestion. I just thought it would be a good idea to move the .375 threads to the medium bore section cause, well, it is the cartridge that defined that category. Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Mea culpa.

Dave

Fact is the .375 is the legal minimum for dangerous game in many countries that have long histories of safari.

It will continue to be used for such hunting as long as such hunting exists.

Therefore, in it's use, it IS a big bore, so it needs to be discussed among them on such forums as this.

Dave,
frm where i sit, i think you are a showing that you are a good guy.
jeffe

Hi Dave, we all know you're a good guy, at least I certainly think so, even though I have a "sniff sniff" 375 ... lol

Chuck

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
Is the 375 RUM and 378 Weatherby large bore and the 375 H&H and Ruger medium bores ???

As far as I'm concerned there is only one .375, and it has H&H right after the caliber designation!

Jetdriver, I HAVE hunted dangerous game with the 375 H&H, and had zero trouble putting Buffalo on the ground, close or far! In fact the only one shot killes I've had on Buffalo have been with the 375 H&H with 300 gr Nosler Partitions. All others have taken at least three shots regardless of caliber, or bullet type, unless the brian, or spine was hit!

The 375 H&H, and all the other odd-ball 375s are medium bore, no matter where is is used, but it does things all out of preportion to it's size. The reason it is listed on AR, as a big bore, is because that is what Saeed uses in a wildcat version to hunt the world's biggest game! Since it is his web-site, it seems to me, he can put it where he wants, I'm just glad it is listed at all, because the old 1912 375 H&H is one of my all time favorite cartridges!

If anything needs to be moved to the medium bore forum, its the 45 70. Apart from the big hole at the end of the pipe, its just plain medium. I have no qualms facing buff with a 375 H&H, but with a 45 70 I would piss my pants.
Oops....what have done

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Originally posted by boet:
If anything needs to be moved to the medium bore forum, its the 45 70. Apart from the big hole at the end of the pipe, its just plain medium. I have no qualms facing buff with a 375 H&H, but with a 45 70 I would piss my pants.
Oops....what have done

So do you think that these flat point solids out of a 45-70 at a claimed 2050 FPS are going to bounce off?

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As far as I'm concerned there is only one .375, and it has H&H right after the caliber designation!

Jetdriver, I HAVE hunted dangerous game with the 375 H&H, and had zero trouble putting Buffalo on the ground, close or far! In fact the only one shot killes I've had on Buffalo have been with the 375 H&H with 300 gr Nosler Partitions. All others have taken at least three shots regardless of caliber, or bullet type, unless the brian, or spine was hit!

So have I, with equal results, but only once. I'm going back next year with the .375, and very much looking forward to the experience. Gonna try the 350 Woodleigh PRP this time, if things work out, but I used an A Frame on my first.

I got started in this game very late in life, so I only have a couple of hunts to my credit, but I have tremendous confidence in the .375 due to the way it has performed so far.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:Most that disparge the .375 are those that have read to much and taken it to heart and those that have never used it..

I second that!!

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Originally posted by tsturm:

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Originally posted by Atkinson:Most that disparge the .375 are those that have read to much and taken it to heart and those that have never used it..

I second that!!

I an unaware of anyone in this thread that said a 375 was not effective. The question is wheter or not the 375 is a big bore or a medium bore...

In target shooting if a bullet touches the line, it is awarded the higher score. Since the .375 is either the line, on the line or over the line it has to be awarded "big gun status". This arbitrary ruling is oh so much more satisfying that simplying observing that it happens to kill things rather well.

The people have spoken. The .375s belong here by a margin of 85%-15%.

George

Where is the "I have more important things to worry about in my life than whether the 375 belongs in one particular forum" option?

Unfortunatelym, it was omitted.

For those who missed it, someone got their panties in a wad because their beloved 9.3 is relegated to 'Medium Bores'.

Instead of being happy not to have competition from the .375 threads, he carped about its inclusion in 'Big Bores'.

A poll was started by a different Member, and the results are clear that people prefer to leave the .375 here.

George

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:
Unfortunatelym, it was omitted.

For those who missed it, someone got their panties in a wad because their beloved 9.3 is relegated to 'Medium Bores'.

Instead of being happy not to have competition from the .375 threads, he carped about its inclusion in 'Big Bores'.

A poll was started by a different Member, and the results are clear that people prefer to leave the .375 here.

George

Okay George here we go...

I was the guy who asked the questions about why the .375 was included in the big bores. I asked the question because the .375 has always been regarded as the king of the "medium" bores. IT IS NOT NOW AND HAS NEVER BEEN REGARDED AS A BIG BORE. I got three responses. First, Saeed's forum, Saeed's rules. That's okay with me. Second, it is a big bore....NOT. Third, is is the most effective cartridge ever. That may be true but it still doesn't make it a big bore. I didn't "get my panties in a wad" or "carp" about anyting. It you didn't like my question, I really don't care... If you want a fight about this, let's have at it!!!

Dave

Dave,

We're not here to waste AR's bandwidth by arguing.

You may not like the characterization, but you said:

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
In addition, I am a huge fan of the 9.3's. To put the 9.3's in the medium bore category and the .375 in the large bore category suggests that there is a material difference between the two and I just don't think that is the case.

Somebody set up one of the poll things and lets vote on whether the .375 should be moved to the medium bores.

and

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I am a big fan of the 9.3's and I think that by putting the .375 in the large bore category, it suggests that the .375 is in a league with the true large bores and thus, superior to the 9.3's and I just don't think that is the case.

Let's take a vote. I don't know how to do it but I would like to see someone set up a thread with a poll to see if we can ask Saeed to move the .375 on down to the medium bore thread.

Your personal agenda or opinions do not override the wishes of the site owner or the stated preferences of the other Members.

The poll was held, and the consensus confirms the site owner's position. The matter is closed.

When you create your own web site, you can put the .375s in with the medium bores.

George

I really think 8mm should be in "Small Bores" I think I'll start a poll......

It is by definition a "Big Bore". The Big Bore forum definition includes .375. Therefore it is. Kinda like an baseball umpire, it ain't a ball or a strike until he says so.

George:

I said Saeed's forum, Saeed's rules was perfectly okay with me. I didn't understand that according to you we were not allowed to suggest changes in the forum or to ask questions. I was particularly offended by your smarmy response. You don't like something I post, put me on ignore. I am not real fond of you either.

Dave

Dave,

You are free to ask questions. You've been here over a year, so you know that all kinds of questions are asked (often repeatedly) on these forums.

There is even a 'forum suggestions' forum at the top of the home page where you can suggest changes.

However, coming into a particular forum and complaining about its scope because you feel it somehow insults or debases one of your favorite bore diameters strikes me as rude and a bit odd.

As I said, this matter is closed and so is this thread.

George