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Had a nice conversation with Craig Boddington at the Houston Safari Club Convention. While discussing the 450/400 3 double he used to own, he told 400NitroExpress and I that, there were serious talks, about Ruger building a #1 in 400 Jeffery. Hornady would load the ammo. He thought the caliber would be .408 or .409. I would be nice to see this 400 Jeffery project come to fruition! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | ||
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Rusty, How does the 400 compare to the 404? I have a #1 in 458 that might need changing.....  Roger QSL | |||
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I wonder if they'll actually make these, or bail out like they did on the .404 Jeffery, .505 Gibbs, .460 G&A, and all the other rumored chamberings. George  | |||
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it would make far more sence to do the 470 nitro if some one wanted 400/450 balistics they have the 458 win and lott. and the 416 rigby. if there gonna do a nitro then might as well do it right. | |||
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I think a 450/400 3" [the 400 Jeffery] in a Ruger No1 would be a good seller. Factory ammo with .408 diameter bullets would be a good thing too. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Roger, Actually, legend has it that the 404 was supposedly the bolt action version of the 45/400 3 inch. A bit of a stretch, but close enough for me to have one made to go along with my double! 700, I think that you get better penetration with a lot less recoil in the 450/400 and 416 and .423 calibers. Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Alf, The CZ Safari Classic in .404 Jeffery: they got it right. I own one of those and it feeds reliably with any nose shape bullet. The standard CZ 550 Magnum box is well suited to the .404 Jeffery head size. It holds 5 cartridges in the box easily, with smooth and reliable feeding. The .505 Gibbs by CZ is another matter. The box is too small and all they did was put a thinner follower in it. | |||
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let us all join in prayer that this will happen and that they will also add the 450/400.....  DRSS | |||
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Quite possibly, the reason to get a Ruger #1. Just needs an NECG receiver sight for a backup, and a good ammo carrier. Hog Killer PS: Now how do I get two of these things SxS   IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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I believe that duct tape is the classic solution, although you may want to try JB Weld... | |||
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I think I may need to use 7018 welding rods, to stand up for the long term.  Hog Killer IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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Ruger is probably working out the feeding geometry with the 400 Jeffery in their No.1. Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | |||
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Well I own there 404 Jeffery in a No.1. and I am having a devil of a time getting ammo for it. short and fat and hard to get at, hit like a hammer and never been hit back. | |||
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The 470 NE would make way too much sense with factory ammo available, then again, I guess Ruger figures those that can afford 470 NE factory ammo would want a nicer rifle than a #1. I take firearm announcments with the same grain of salt as my boss saying we have all this work coming. When the guns are on the shelves, I'll believe it, and when I have a job code to charge to I'll believe it. __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
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Either he was pulling your leg, or else it is a very bad joke. The .404 Jeffery takes a .423 bullet, and it would be disastrous to make it into a wildcat with a .408" bullet as a few guys would use the .423" ammo in it and start blowing rifles up. | |||
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I have a spare R#1 stainless in a 45-70... I have been running myself in circles trying to figure if I want to make it into a 9.3X74R or a 450/400 3". I think it would make a hell of a timber rifle. I am back from a long Hiatus... or whatever. Take care. smallfry | |||
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Uh, Dan? The .404 Jeffery and the .400 Jeffery are two different cartridges. The .404 is a rimless shell that uses a .423" bullet. The .400 Jeffery (.450/.400 3" Nitro Express) is a flanged shell that has usually been loaded with .408" to .411" bullets. ----------------------------------------------- "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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Re-chamber it into a .450 Nitro Express. You won't have to re-barrel. George | |||
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Considering the barrel profile and weight(or lack thereof) of the Ruger #1 45-70, I'd be hesitant to re-chamber it to a 450 NE!!! __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
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smallfry I have a Ruger No1 in 45/70. For North American game I think it is a great timber rifle just as it is. If fact it is just about perfect. For Africa I would prefer the 400 Jeffery for sure. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Re-chamber it into a .450 Nitro Express. You won't have to re-barrel. George I thought about it but I shoot a Lott quite a bit already. I had at one time a very light weight 9.3x74R in a R-1 and like a fool traded it. One 45-70 was already turned into a 30-30. Now I have another... do I keep it or does it become a 500 3", 450/400, 9.3X74R, or a 25-35. Ohh the decisions in life  I am back from a long Hiatus... or whatever. Take care. smallfry | |||
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What's wrong with a 7 1/4lb. stainless steel/laminated .450 NE single-shot? It cannot kick more than a hot-loaded fire-breathing .45-70 Guide Gun can it? smallfry, In that case, go with the .450/.400. Brass is more expensive than 9.3x74R, but the .450/.400 has a lot of history behind it.  George | |||
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Put me down for one. I thought seriously about having one made last fall in order to have a scoped single to go with my double. Hornady ammo would be mana from heaven. I guess I'll hold off and see how this shakes out. Does anyone know what land/groove size ruger uses on their 405 win? Bob DRSS "If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" "PS. To add a bit of Pappasonian philosophy: this single barrel stuff is just a passing fad. Bolt actions and single shots will fade away as did disco, the hula hoop, and bell-bottomed pants. Doubles will rule the world!" | |||
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Uh-oh, sounds like my kind of project. A 450/400 NE 3" to go along with the .450 NE 3-1/4" Ruger No.1 conversion from .458 Lott. Nice thought. Just find the .405 Winchester Ruger No.1 and then the reamer, and then the dies, and then the brass, and then the bullets ...  | |||
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I've already started building a .450/400 on a Ruger No "2" myself - so I've got to say that it is a great idea! "White men with their ridiculous civilization lie far from me. No longer need I be a slave to money" (W.D.M Bell) www.cybersafaris.com.au | |||
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Oops, need to read more carefully. | |||
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The .400 H&H is the magazine rifle equivalent for the .450/.400. Woodleigh evens supplies the same bullet to the loaders of the respective ammo. jim if you're too busy to hunt,you're too busy. | |||
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i've got a stainless #1 in .405 if you're serious. DRSS | |||
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No thanks, Whittaker takes care of my needs. | |||
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I have one of the Ruger 45-70's converted to 450 NE,,, its a HOOT!!!! with Black Powder Express type loads, and 550 grain hammer head slugs,, but if you move up to the "NE" loads be prepared!!!!!  Stay Alert,Stay Alive Niet geschoten is altijd mis Hate of America is the defeat position of failed individuals and the failing state | |||
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  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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Doug, I thought that was funny too, but didn't want to call attention to it, what with Winchester and soon Remington going TU. Go easy on Ruger. But since you have done it, this is from me for Scrollcutter: | |||
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Both of those rifles at Martini's went home and now shoot under an inch, so they'll be users! I've just picked up another Alex Henry that'll be going to Ralf as soon as I work out the caliber and mods required. It doesn't surprise me that Ruger's looking at the 450/400, all they needed was a reamer and the 45-70 ejector to go with the .410 barrels for the .405. I've been pointing that fact out to them for 3 years now, and this year when I started my tirade, they just smiled and agreed. For anyone contemplating doing their .405, keep Ralf in mind as he's now got the reamer and is experienced in the modification. ~Arctic~ A stranger is a friend we haven't met | |||
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