Gentlemen



How about a 14,5 Soviet. It will make the poacher re-evaluate his future adventures.



A Carl Gustav, recoiless, will take care of it all



Cheers

/ JOHAN

Gentlemen,
You are approaching this problem from the wrong direction. Remember the vital triangle: Radiator, Carburetor, Oil pan. If your shot placement is correct, the need for large caliber is much less.
Good shooting!
Russ

Not a big bore, but P. O. Ackley shot a .224 bullet out of a .220 Swift through a substantial piece of steel during a test.

HUmm... is there a controled feed 50 BMG available?

Maybe someone should build a 50BMG double. I am NOT volunteering to do the barrel regulation shooting.

I know a couple of guys that were out hunting some years ago and came across a group dragging a net through a pond, not a hand net, but the great big ones for getting all the fishies (unethical and ILLEGAL). They left them walking, took out the radiator and a couple of tires.

the engine block is too much work when the radiator and other "thin" spots will leave them walking too. I used a friends 375 to shoot a hole through a plow disk years ago, it wasn't even a solid. That'll do some damage to a car.

I did watch a demonstration of firepower in Nevada once, the S.O.F. convention. there was a guy with a quad 50, the kind you climb inside. He made swiss cheese out of a car they had out at 100. it was fantabulous to watch. I have wanted one ever since. You could literally see light through the holes from the other side of the car!!!

Red

Shot placement is key. Harris Co constable is reported to have stopped a robbery by shooting the moving getaway car in the engine compartment with a lever action 45-70. The suspects surrendered without further ado after seeing what the rifle did to the car.

To stop a vehicle far less is needed than thought. CG uses powdered metal shotgun shells to disable "fast boats". The Barnes SOLIDS prove exceptionally capable of defeating up to 1/4" steel plate, as well as Level IIIa vests when fired from our 458 SOCOM. Armored HMMVV was not a challenge either. The 500 gr AGS-T load did the job as well, but with the price difference between the Barnes and the Speer, I will take the Barnes any day.

Think of it this way. The bullet is traveling on the order of 1600 fps in our case. That is on the order of 1,000 MPH when it hits the car. Imagine you are driving 1,000 MPH and you hit a piece of 1/2" REBAR, with it puncturing your car like a spear. You think it would do some damage? Take out the belts, the valve cover, the battery/alternator/water pump, radiator, or shoot lower and take out the tranny or diff. That car won't go far.

A DG rifle will do it easy, especially loaded with solids.

Hi, I've read of some people saying that they would stop poachers by shooting through the engine of their vehicles.

At what bore size is this possible? How does a big bore fare against an engine block?

How effective is say... a 416 rigby?

I seriously doubt that you could shoot through an engine. You could shoot through the radiator. I'm sure that you could crack the outer wall on the block and maybe punch a hole in it. This would disable the vehicle as it would overheat in no time.

Why shoot a good piece of machinery when the problem lies in the poacher not in the car?

What if the poachers were using it to get away? Or if the car is really an evil transformer robot in disguise trying to take over the world?

The .338 Lapua magnum might pull the job off

http://www.nammo.com/smallarms/military_338lapuamagnum.html
The AP485

The armor piercing ammunition fitted with the AP 485 armor piercing bullet will be effectively used against fortifications, light armored vehicles and personnel wearing body armor. The AP485 will penetrate 15 mm (0.6 inch) of hardened steel (hardness HB400) at a distance of 500 meters.


Cheers,

Andr�

It would seem to me that the Speer Africa Grand Slam Solid can be looked at as a civilian available AP round for light armor and engine blocks! Wasn't it an inch of steel this picture of Saeeds from the other day was of, with the little hole from the tungsten core?

It would be interesting to see if it would go through the ceramic plate from grade 4 bodyarmor. This is supposed to stop 30-06 AP rounds, but might not hold up to bigger/faster stuff with a Speer Africa Grand Slam Solid? Maybe this could be a new test for Saeed to experiment with! As long as I don't have to wear the bodyarmor while testing!

Erik D.

How about the 50 BMG AP That will do the job and then some.

Cheers,

Andr�

Andr�,

A 50 BMG AP will definatly do the job, as will 50 BMG Multipupose (produced by Raufoss here in Norway), both on bodyarmor and engine blocks! But I was thinking more in the lines of what is available to civilians. Which neither of these are! At least legally...

Speer African Grand Slam solids can be bought, even though they cost a fortune.

Erik D.

Will you be regulating cars in Norway
Or just have fun with some steel plates

This would work for hunting

Robar .50 cal rifle



Cheers,

Andr�

Andr�,

I think I will be sticking to my 375H&H. Plenty enough gun for all the animals I hunt!
My "tungsten-core armor piercing theory" is more just out of curiousity after seeing Saeeds picture the other day.

Erik D.

Maybe the African gran slam could make the 300 grn bullet go faster due to the size and gunpowder capacity ?

Andr�

The various 50's, ie 500 A-sq, 500 Jeffrey can be deep throated to accept the 50 bmg AP bullets, and will drive them 2200 fps. It's a single shot affair, but the best option for that use. I guess it complicates the ammo situation though, soft, solid, ap.

Thanks for correcting me! I do belive though that .50 AP rounds aren't available for civilians here in Norway as far as I've understood. Should have perhaps made that clear in the first post, since there are readers from all around the world!


Erik D.

After 9.11 .50 cal is reed flag in europe you can get it but the questions.

Cheers,

Andr�

MartytW is right, it is not as hard as one may think. Enthusiasts of the .357 Magnum proudly claim they can crack an engine block. Jeff Cooper praised all the old battle rifles (30-06, 303, 7.62x54R, etc) as being able to disable vehicles with a single shot. Most engine blocks are cast of iron or aluminum and can be broken easily. My cousin�s husband, thought known to be a teller of tales, claims a shattered engine block from a S&W 500; it should not be difficult for most of what we shoot to do the same so long as we have a sufficiently hard projectile going at a decent velocity.

You can get a .700 NE controled feed from Peter Hambrusch



You like

Cheers,

Andr�

And then there's the video of Hambruschs 700 NE being shot:



http://www.ferlachguns.com/images/video/Hambrusch-Hunting-Weapons-2002.avi



I have to say that a lot of the guns produced in Ferlach are way overdone in my opinion. The engravings on wood and metal are undoubtably works of art to some, but a bit too much for my taste. Especially all the "Diana - Topless goddess of hunting" variants... Is it that the buyers are so sexually frustrated that they can't go hunting without stopping every now and then to have a look at some tits? Sure would be cheaper for them to bring a magazine along with them in the woods...







Can someone explain to me why she always has her top off when she's hunting? I mean, her breasts must be pretty scratched up from running through the woods like that with thornbushes and all! On the otherhand, I guess quite a few hunters might dream of meeting a topless woman out in the forest. And since she's a hunter herself, she can't nag about you going off to hunt! Diana - A hunters dream wife?



Erik D.

I was toild that Holland and Holland made a gun called the Porn Gun Do you know it it ?

I like simple engraving but think it is a waste of money to have extensive engravin done. I am cheep.

Cheers,

Andr�

No, never heard of a "porn gun" by H&H! Sounds like something a Hollywood movie producer or Rap musician would order...

Erik D.

Cool Guy,

A 50 Beowulf shooting solid bronze bullets will easily penetrate into the cylinder of a 305 Chevy V8. Actually it will punch through on side of the cylinder and lodge in the water jacket of the far side cylinder wall. Interestingly, the 5.56X45 ball will not do much more than scare the surface.

A 416 Rigby shooting Speer tungsten solids at a muzzle velocity of 2700 fps + will completely pass through a 305 Chevy V8 engine block. So will a 50 BMG shooting 647gr ball. So will a 505 Gibbs shooting solids, as will the 500 Jeffery again with solids.

A 405 Winchester shooting 300 gr Hornady's will not! The bullets seem to explode on impact. Muzzle velocity 2420 fps.

30-06 API milsurp ammo will easily punch through a 153 cubic inch Chevy 4 cylinder engine block.

A 45 ACP will WON'T! Does a good job of degreasing though!

ASS_CLOWN

Did you do the test ? Or is it hear say ?

Cheers,

Andr�

I did the test. Gray iron, which is used for iron engine blocks, isn't very tough stuff. Cast aluminum engine blocks are even easier to blow holes into. I cannot comment on the ability of softpoint bullets, as we were only shooting, solids and API. I have seen 0.416 diameter, 410 grain Woodleigh softpoints punch holes in 16" plow bottoms. They are approximately 6mm thick and made of tempered steel. The plow bottom did not seem to slow the bullets down too much, either, as one made it clear though an 8" (200 mm) diameter pine fence post too. These were factory loaded Federals.

By the way, I do not recommend shooting heavy steel targets with any bullets because of the risk of ricochet.

ASS_CLOWN

Ass Clown, tell us again about the 8' PINE fence post you've been shooting holes in. I've never SEEN a PINE FENCE POST...but I bet the termites would love to find it.

Obviously you don't know anymore about fences than you do firearms.

As far as shooting thru an 8" fence post, the last time I did that trick was with a .458 American using 400gr CAST bullets. It doesn't take a nuclear bomb to penetrate wood.

Pecos,
My 358 winchester will blast through 8" of pine.. in fact, line up 2 8" pine trees, and it'll blast throw both!!

pine, huh? i guess that's a challenge for a daisy red rider..

jeffe

Scott probably builds his stocks out of pine as well.

jeffeosso,

Try this:

Place steel plow bottom in front of the 8 INCH diameter (that was a typo in the last post, Pecos old boy) pine fence post. Now shoot that old 358 Win of yours, one shot mind you, though both the steel plow bottom and the fence post.

Of course I know both of you pathetic little wannbe fags know precisely what I was saying in the last post, but it is always a joy to see what new and uniquely idiotic comments you both will post next!

Sincerely,

ASS_CLOWN

Marty,

Thank you for such a sensible post! It shows the FACT that you have practical firearms experience!! Thank God there are some here at AR like yourself.

Afterall, someone must train these young grasshoppers.

ASS_CLOWN

Jeffe, ASS CLOWN still doesn't get it. There's no such thing as a pine fence post.



For your edification, Scott, fence posts in the real world are either steel or cedar. Why, because termites won't eat either. You do know what a termite is don't you? A pine fence post would be eaten out of the ground about as fast as you could plant it. Orkin and other pest companies make millions every year trying to keep termites from eating your PINE house to the ground. Of course an idiot like the ASS CLOWN wouldn't know anymore about this subject than he does firearms.

You are SO BIG on pompus bullshit talk and SO SHORT on real world facts and experience. You know just enough about guns to be a menace to yourself and everyone around you.

By the way, have you tried that duplex load I gave you last year? Hahahahaha MORON


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Jeffe, I'm not sure he has his name quite right even yet. Should it be Ass Clown or Ass Wipe? Your call.

Use a shoot gun with buck shots or slugs, aim at the radiator and the poacher will stop very soon -just run after the veichle