Pecos,



The post was PINE! You truly are a simpleton! Do you know what creosote is? When you figure that out, here is the rest of the recipe. Take a debarked length of pine log approximately 7 feet long, apply a liberal amount of creosote, put in ground. Cedar is FAR too expensive for farm fencing in the northern midwest.



Don't believe me, let Uncle Sam explain it to you! Follow the link.

Life expectancy of different fence post materials



Interestingly, cedar is not mentioned. By the way, to my knowledge cedar is not termite resistant. It is rather resistant to water rot, but I believe cypress is better, as I believe is alder.



Want to see some bug infested cedar logs? I think I can get some pictures for you! Split cedar is a yuppy city thing, DUH! Cedar makes for rotten fencing around horses too, know why? The horses will eat it!



ASS_CLOWN

Pecos,
I tell ya what, i've never seen fallen pine last 4 months... but the cedar down here sure makes good native fence posts... when ya drive past mile after mile after mile of some old farmer who knew that nothing but goats eat cedar.. I've seen cedar fence posts on an old farm that I know are 40 years old... I hunted a place called broken spoke ranch, and LBJ used to hunt there BEFORE he was the VP... there's a pic on the wall of him standing right at the corner of the pasture.... and that same ole fench post is right there...


I guess scotty just don't know what cedar is... as in CEDAR SHAKE ROOFING... that has a longer functional like than shingles... it's just a fire hazard... generally after the termite have eaten the pine studs used to build it...

Funny, I never heard of termites on a cedar roof... you'ld think when they swarmed it would be the first/fastest place to eat...

Pecos, I gotta tell ya,,, I am begining to think ole scotty is have another breakdown... can't even look up that texas famous "cedarcide" bug spray...

in the immortal words of sylvester the cat

"what a maroon"

jeffe

jeffeosso,

I strongly suggest you read the link I provided. Here is another newsflash. The whole world ain't like Texas! I realize you are a hick and all, who has travelled little, if at all, outside the Great State of Texas, but there is a whole wide world out there.

Cedar shingles aren't used for termite resistance! They are used for water rot resistance. Just about anything is better than you good old fashion asphalt shingles too, they simply suck, but they are CHEAP relatively speaking.

Are you sure all those "cedar" posts your are refering to in Texas are actually "cedar". I know that in Arizona juniper is common as a fencing material. It looks somewhat like cedar. Are you sure you aren't confusing the two.

The damage is already done, jeffeosso, the USDA has stated, in the attached link, that you and Pecos know not of what you speak! Not surprising to many, you seldom do have a clue.

Gotta go now, there are IMPORTANT things to do, like grill up some elk burgers with jalepenos MMMMMMmmmmmm!

ASS_CLOWN

Oh, Jeffe, this is priceless!

Look at Ass Clowns latest desperate attempt at wisdom. I bet he's been all over the internet trying to cover his dumb ass.

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... to my knowledge cedar is not termite resistant. ASS CLOWN

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"To YOUR KNOWLEDGE," Ass Wipe, is the whole problem. YOUR KNOWLEDGE doesn't cover jack diddly shit. You have no real firearms experience...as has been proven on this website by a MULTITUDE of people over and over and over. Neither do you have any real world experience.

Cedar, Ass Clown, is TOXIC to damn near every insect there is. I've seen big cedar posts in corrals out here that have been in the ground longer than you have been alive.....and in fact they have probably learned more about the world than you have.

Sure you can treat any sort of wood with enough chemicals and shit to make it so toxic insects won't bother it. Most power poles and telephone polls ARE actually pine. But they have been soaked in creosote until they are practically a standing blob of toxic grease. Only problem is, ASS CLOWN, they don't do this for fence posts. Why should they? There are a lot cheaper, easier ways to avoid termites. And when is the last time you hugged a nice greasy utility pole, soaked with creosote? Few substances nastier or smellier.....but you wouldn't know that would you, dumb shit?

Have you ever heard of CEDAR CHESTS? Have you ever wondered why some people used to build their entire closets out of cedar boards? Duh????

Cedar is so toxic to most insects that they don't even want to be around it...much less eat it.

There are a few other woods that have similar characteristics, juniper is one of them. And the Beau de Arc tree is another.

In fact, if you really want to get technical, the "cedar posts" that they make around Junction, Texas by the millions are actually NOT CEDAR. The tree everyone in Texas calls the "mountain cedar" is actually the Ash Juniper. And if you knew shit about the outdoors you would even know why it's called that. HINT. Go up to a male tree in the fall of the year and shake it. (How can you tell a male tree, Scott?) Duh? Answer me that, you great hunter and pathologic liar.

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Want to see some bug infested cedar logs? I think I can get some pictures for you! Split cedar is a yuppy city thing, DUH! Cedar makes for rotten fencing around horses too, know why? The horses will eat it! ASS CLOWN

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Yes, Scott......please do get me some photos of "bug infested cedar logs." I'd love to see that. If you even know a cedar tree when you look at it.

Split Cedar fencing?


You're too funny, Scott. Everytime I argue with you I hate myself. I feel like I have just beaten up a 3rd grader.

What your dumb ass is calling the "yuppy thing," the "split cedar" is REDWOOD...from the redwood trees. It's pretty. It's light. It's easy to work with. It's fairly insect and rot resistent. Unfortunately it's also weak as hell.
Redwood fences are built for LOOKS...not to seriously hold anything like horses.

And I'm afraid you are quite full of shit yet again about the boards horses eat at wooden corrals. These ARE PINE. The posts are cedar or juniper.......but the rest of the fence is entirely pine or fir...whatever's handy. Horses are smart enough not to eat cedar either. At least damn little. Probably gives them a belly ache everytime they take a nip.

In conclusion, Scott......er ASS CLOWN as you are now well known. Just shut the fuck up and come back when you actually KNOW something. Your ignorance about firearms is exceeded only by your ignorance of the natural world around you.

Pecos, old boy, as usual you are wrong and you vewry posts illustrate this (as you accurately state that the posts in Texas are juniper NOT cedar).

Now read the following link and educate yourself on the FACT that cedar IS rot resistance (heartwood that is) but IS NOT termite resistant!

Facts about CEDAR and TERMITES!

I have clearly presented the FACT for anyone that is interested (no one probably is at least I hope so). Pecos, your lack of knowledge of wood is only exceeded by your lacking knowledge of firearms (and now horses it would appear).

Have a good day old boy, and I hope you learned something.

ASS_CLOWN

I'll be sure and pass your opinion on to the ranchers and farmers who have used cedar posts for the last 150 years out here, Ass Clown.



Your approach to reality is the same about woods as you try to use with guns. Find a little shit on the web or from one of your silly books and claim that as real FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE...something you have none of.



I'm sure the termites that have been avoiding cedar and juniper for millions of years will be glad to hear your report as well.





Here's a little experiment you can do to educate yourself, Ass Clown. Pitch a cedar post and a pine or fir 2X4 out on the ground in your back yard and leave them for the summer. Let me know which one is eaten to shit by winter.

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News Flash: 600 Trillion Termites Wrong. Scott Sweet, aka the Ass Clown says so.

Pecos,



This isn't Texas, and the area in which the steel plow bottom was shot most definitely wasn't Texas. Termites aren't a problem there, as a matter of fact. The fence post in question was most definitely pine (exact species unknown), it WAS NOT rotten, and it WAS several years old.



The only thing I can think of that you posted correctly on was the FACT that creosote stinks. Yes sir, it most certainly does. It also works very well, but don't take my word on it. Consult the telephone (phone poles) and rail road (rail road ties) companies.



The information I initially spoke of was from my first hand experience! The internet sites were posted to provide independent collaboration of my statements. In other words, to show that I knew of what I spoke. Pecos, old boy, you only post BS and stupid faked pictures. That is no way to debate an issue, seriously anyway.



By the way, in my home state, which is famous for it's insect issues, homes were (and I believe still frequently are) made of cinder blocks, because termites will eat practically anything and if the termites didn't get it the lovely tropical climate did!



Really Pecos old boy, you have been soundly beaten. In the future, I suggest you pick your fights more carefully.



ASS_CLOWN

I take it back, Scott. Arguing with you is like beating up a 2nd grader. You aren't smart enough to be a 3rd grader.

I love your accusation accusing ME of posting doctored pictures when everyone on the website still laughs at the STOLEN pictures you tried to claim were your guns.

Now that I've explained the difference between juniper, redwood a cedar to your dumb ass you try to act like you knew it all along.

You're like Pee Wee Herman falling off his bicycle and claiming he ment to do that.

By the way, what is a dumb shit like you doing shooting holes in people's plows? I'm sure the farmer was proud of you.....if indeed the event ever happened. 90% of your tall tales are just keyboard bullshit. Kinda like all those "brain pan" shots you claim you've made on Cape Buffalo.

You claim you've got all these big bore rifles but you never get any further away from the house but the rifle range there by Detroit.

You're a liar, Scott. A pathetic, pathological liar....whose only purpose on this website is to TRY to blow up your deflated ego with exaggerated bullshit. I can name about 15 different people who have made total fools of you. In fact, you can pretty well map your humiliations by following the number of stupid phony member names you've created.

How many evolutions have you gone thru now trying to hide yourself and your ignorance, Scott? Dare we count all your phony names? At least you have finally picked one that fits you well.

Dream on Ass Clown.
Let me know when you figure out how to tell the male from female ash juniper.

If you haven't checked the classified lately, take a look. I think he's morphed again. See the "code of conduct" thread.

I dunno what "state" AC lives in, hopefully my own is less confused, but then we all know how well folks vote down here. Dunno about the western varieties much but there's a few woods down here that are extremely resistant to bugs, cypress, RED cedar, tupelo(black gum) to name a few. White cedar is okay fine for trim but only so so for being in contact with the ground. I ain't seen anything yet that chews on RED cedar. Usually you'll find that cypress will rot before bugs get into it, but it takes a long time. BTW, we have an almost new "illegal" down here called the Formosan Termite that goes thru concrete about like a .416 Rigby shooting a Barnes X will go thru an engine block. The Soviet 12.7mm round in AP configuration will go thru a Cobra gunship, nose to tail cone, and abuse 4 layers of ceramic armour, two pilots and a transmission along the way. Oh yeah, the instrument panels too.

Now Pecos you have been soundly thrashed, even if you imbecile buddies haven't figured it out yet. By the way, you are the one who is acting like a little 2nd grader.

The plow was mine by the way, so if I want to punch holes it so be it! The engine blocks belong to me too, so there.

ASS_CLOWN

Dan,

Everything rots in Florida, you should know that! There really are only two major varieties of cedar that I am aware of, red (Western heartwood is a consistant reddish brown with very little sapwood as I recall) and white (Eastern bright white sapwood with that very red heart wood). Within these two are several subtypes. I would have to agree that the heartwood of the Western Cedar is the far more rot resistant. However, it is the heartwood of the Eastern cedar that is used for cedar chests and seems to be the more insect repellant.

Next time I am out at the farm I will get some pictures of insect eaten Eastern Cedar for all to see. Will take pictures of the pine fence post in question, along with some oak ones too.

ASS_CLOWN

All of a sudden the boy thinks he's an expert on woods.




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Scott, I don't think emptying the wood shavings from Mrs. McDonald's pencil sharpener in the 3rd grade qualifies you to lecture anyone about hardwoods.

I would expect a 30-06 or 8mm Mauser class rounds to both be able to incapacitate a vehicle. Anything can punch an oil pan or a radiator. I've shot a lot of disk brakes with 8mm milsurp ball, it should easily puncture most cylinder walls which would soon stop an engine.

You really wouldn't need to shoot all the way through. It would just get the job done faster.

Exactly right CQ. The biggest problem with disabling a vehicle engine is getting the bullet TO THE ENGINE. No matter which angle you shot for the engine, there is a lot of crap in the way to deflect or waste the bullet on. Fenders, hoses, pumps, tire rims, mounting frames, etc.



Bust the water jacket or blow a hole in the radiator and the vehicle isn't going far.

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But there is another issue here I don't think anyone has mentioned. I came within a 3 lb touch on my trigger from taking out an engine on the pick-up of an asshole who was driving thru my fence about 15 years ago. At the last moment I decided to let the fool go.



Later I talked to some good friends of mine with the PD and got some surprising answers.



I could shoot a vehicle...even shoot the driver if it were to save my life. But if I had started blasting away at the guy's pick-up just because he was driving over a $2.79 metal fence post...well, you can see the problem. There is a vastly DISPROPORTIONATE amount of damage. He is ruining my fence post but I'm blowing away a $5,000 engine.



Worse, if my bullet decides to get cute and richochet thru the cabin of the truck and possibly strike the occupant..........



OH SHIT! Then the stakes REALLY went up. I guess I could go dig a hell of a hole and bury the guy AND his truck....maybe plant some flowers on top to cover the fresh digging.



Bottom line is this day and age, we should NOT shoot at or close to another human being unless that person is SERIOUSLY threatening a life...or some VERY significant property...like setting fire to a church on Sunday morning during services.



In our crazy society, you could shoot someone who was standing over you, slashing you with a knife and you would still be damn lucky not to spend at least a few nights in jail and get sued by the survivors.



All this sucks, but I didn't write the rules.



DON'T shoot at a poacher. He may shoot back. Then where does the game go?

AC, regardless of your awareness levels, there is a SOUTHERN RED CEDAR. Bugs don't eat it. The most common rotting material down here in the south is the brains of retired yankees.

Previously felled cypress is harvested in lakes and rivers down here that has been on the bottom for over 100 years. I suppose it rots, but it takes awhile.

Best regards,

Dan

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Scott, I don't think emptying the wood shavings from Mrs. McDonald's pencil sharpener in the 3rd grade qualifies you to lecture anyone about hardwoods.

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Pecos old boy, I don't know just exactly how to break this to you so I will just tell ya, CEDAR AIN"T A HARD WOOD! Florida, have I ever been there . . . let me think about that one.



Dan,



If you review my posts on this thread, you will notice that I clearly stated that cypress and alder are both rot resistant.

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Interestingly, cedar is not mentioned. By the way, to my knowledge cedar is not termite resistant. It is rather resistant to water rot, but I believe cypress is better, as I believe is alder.

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ASS_CLOWN

Sorry AC, I don't review this shit very often. I said cedar was bug resistant. I don't know alder from a Chrysler Hemi. Cypress is a soft wood, both bug and rot resistant, as is S. Red Cedar, and Tupelo, though the later is a hard wood. Cypress and Tupelo can be expected to last between 25 and 40 years in the application of fence posts(cypress and tupelo) or rail ties(tupelo), both untreated. Cedar is rarely used for either as far as I know, but it is a brittle wood and of low density so it has low strength. I've not seen it used for structural members in any application other than furniture.

Were you having a bad day or just tired of farming when you murdered your plow? I once shot a cement truck at 300 meters with a M1911 Colt. It didn't seem to have much effect on the truck, but as it was my first shot I collected a case of beer.