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Gato, Not trying to prove you are lying at all. My curiosity has nothing to to do with believing you or not. My occupation requires a lot of analytical rigor. 450 plus targets a day every single day on avergae seems like an incredible task to me. Then when I factor in that is was 20+% of his lifetime targets in one year it is an amazing statistic. Chalk it up to being completely beyond my ability. I went thru the FBI Firearms Instructors course that they teach to local law enforcement and fired about 2500 pistol rounds during a ten day course and I thought that was a lot. You don't need to send me the book but I would like to know how to get a copy of the current version of the book. Thanks, Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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This Irish guy went out specifically to break the record someone else he knew had set. It was reported in full in one of the magazines here last year. I can't really get motivated to dig out the copy. I know a few clay shooters here who easily clock up 25-30,000 rounds a year. It is really not that difficult to get through 500 rounds a week all year round, with a few thousand extra thrown in for holiday weeks and summer week night competition. However, the mind boggles at 150K rounds per year. Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you.... | |||
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PS: Mike, why don't you apply your averages per minute to 20,000 shells in 5 days and compare that to my 30,000 shells in a month like you did when you implied that I was fibbing about my total shells shot. 30,000 in a month is easy, just like I said. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Mike, I tried to access a copy of the current average book, which would be for 2007, mailed in 2008 (the trap target year runs basically from the end of one Grand American Tournament to the end of the next years, or roughly 9/1 to 8/31 IIRC (and don't hold me to it, this is from memory) and, not surprisingly, they want to sell you one. I think it was $12. Google "Trap and Field" magazine and get the average book. However, if you know almost any trap shooter they will have one as will most gun clubs that hold trap shoots. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Mike, it really isn't ability as much as sheer determination to do it. I like to shoot even now, but I would never have enjoyed doing that much of the same thing myself. Shooting 500 rounds a day isn't that big of a deal, but besides being somewhat determined  one would have to be pretty well off to accomplish it. Even back then, registered targets and shells (I assume he didn't reload since I'm not sure he would have the time) would cost about $30 or a bit more per hundred, depending on what he paid for the registered targets fees per hundred, about $22 minimum if he reloaded. So besides transportation, food, and room cost (I'd almost bet he used a motorhome) he was spending about $150 per day on shells and targets in the 80s or very roughly $55,000 a year just for shooting costs. Nowadays that number would be more like $45 to $50/100.xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Gato, I did not imply anything. My comment was straight forward that I thought you may have meant 3,000 not 30,000. Now almost 20,000 rounds in 5 days. If we say that is it 3,900 rounds a day. I don't believe it. The person may have said they did it and maybe they did...but I don't believe it. I don't believe a lot of things I read though. I will order me a copy of the book though. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Well, Mike, I wasn't there, don't know the Irish gentleman, but I can tell you that I believe it. Like I said, I shot 4000 shells the first day AND we took a 4 hours or so lunch/nap break (not that a couple of beers and a bottle of Malbec, not to mention about half a side of beef with sausages, had anything to do with that, you understand,) but it would have been easy to shoot another 1000 for the day if you were tough and determined enough. I only shot 13,000 for the week (and it's been so long now that I don't recall whether the "week" was 6 or 7 shooting days, probably 6 since my buddy and I shot two full days before the rest of the group arrived. I shoot for fun, wasn't trying to prove anything, and backed way off from the first day, so even assuming it was 5 more days, I only shot just under 2000 shells a day for the rest of the trip and that was WAY less than one could shoot if one could stand the pace. We had a "discount" and I still remember the "sticker" shock of 26 cases of shells. Go! I haven't been in quite a few years, I hope to go back soon, possibly after my son and I return from Namibia in July. I know you know this, but our summer is their winter and the reversal, besides not interfering with our hunting seasons, makes for nearly ideal shooting, cool or cold in the morning and warming up to 70s or 80s in the afternoon. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Some time ago a couple of retired gentlemen decided to take up trapshooting and liked it so much they basically shot almost every day and it usually a 500 target marathon ---- there were a couple of them who were "hard-core" and the other members of the squad came from a pool of other shooters. The lifetime target leader,until his death, was AJ Olivito (Ohio) and his main shooting buddy, who continued to shoot is Gerald Burkhart also of Ohio. As of 9/1/07 Burkhart registered 1,526,550 life-time targets (the most) while his friend AJ ended his career with 1,385,300. Burkhart shot more than 54,000 targets between 9/1/06 and 9/1/07 and more than 60,000 targets the previous year. I'm still trying to run down the record for a single year but I'd be suprised if it wasn't more than 100,000 targets as I don't think AJ shot for that long before he passed on. DB Bill aka Bill George | |||
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Well you guys and those other guys in Ohio are a lot mentally tougher than I am. I doubt that I could shoot more than 500 rounds a day for about 3 or 4 days. I think I would get really bored. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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dsiteman, I have known Gatogordo for over 26 years. Never has he ever lied about anything. I was in on the Blackbird shooting ! I only shot in the AM 15,000 a month . I was doing that before I Met him. I owned the Traps at the local Skeet club I shot 200 cases a year. No problem. Few Men alive have fired more shotgun shells than I have .Ill shoot em to Smell them,To Hear them, or shoot the empties in the air. The more I shoot the better I like it.I also shot with and against Rudy.Starting in 1964. | |||
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