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Integral vs Detachable; What say you?
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Been around suppressors most of my life but know very little technical about them. I'm buying my first one and a bit surprised at the price differences being quoted. Estimate for an integral is in process but estimated at $2000 TO $2500. I know general EDM pricing, tool time pricing, tubing and material prices for most gunsmithing work so I'm having a tough time seeing that much cost. A mass produced detachable for the same caliber is $400 from SBR or $350 from Coastal.

Cartridge is 458 SOCOM which burns 33-40 grains of powder for 35,000 max chamber pressure with supersonics. Subsonics should be a lot less.

I know complete 10/22 w/integral supressors sell for $1100-$1400 including the gun; this is a 458 SOCOM which has more gas pressure but OTOH I'm supplying the gun and barrel. Opinions apprecated!


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If you have been around suppressors much then you know they get dirty and internals wear out. A detachable one can easily be replaced, just the internals or the whole thing, and cleaned. Screw on is better than "quick detachable". The quick detachable ones can have problems with alignment and gas sealing.




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Thanks for the input. This integral disassembles for cleaning pretty easily. This will be a limited use weapon, too. 200 rounds a year would be a lot. My biggest question is the price differential?


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If you order an integral then the barrel will be drilled (ports) and sometimes reduced in diameter. That's extra work.




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Roger that; and I know the general cost for turning a new profile on a barrel, what EDM costs per inch to punch the holes and what tubing costs. problem is when I add all that up I can't get to $2000 much less $2500 assuming a 50% gross margin. I guess I've already answered my question befor I asked but I was hoping I would some gem of technical information that would help me justify the additional cost. Not trying to be rude but the tasks you mention aren't close to explaining the difference in price.


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barrel profile - $100 bucks
EDM per hole - 5 bucks (high side)- 50 holes.. 250 bucks
additional material to make longer/thinner -- cant be 200 bucks MORE
600 bucks over the cost of a screw on seems reasonable to me .. and that's making money

of course, I don't feel that 600-1000 for a screw on is reasonable AT ALL


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G'Day Fella's,

Tiggertate, sorry I'm a bit confused by the term integral. Do you mean that the suppressor is permanently attached to the firearm?

I design and manufacture my own range of Rim and Centerfire sound suppressors. I have both a QA/QD mount but due to the compact size of my designs, I usually mount them to the barrel, via a thread. To give you a bit of an insite into what I produce, my Centerfire Rifle suppressors/Cans are made from 304Grade stainless steel and weigh well under, to just under 1 pound. They are 38mm or 1 1/2" in diameter and range from 125mm or 5" long for a .223 case capacity rifle, to 165mm or 6 1/2' long for a .308 case capacity rifle.

To give you a bit of an idea on pricing, I sell my .22 LR Rimfire rifle "Cans" for $110.00 and my Centerfire rifle "Cans" from $770.00 Plus Post.

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it would be a lot of $$$ to spend for a suppressor you cannot move around.

I am in process on a Yankee Hill Machine Cobra II they build for the 9mm. Suppressed, it will also work well on a 30 cal, like my little peashooter (AR-pistol in 300 BLK) as well as the 9mm upper I have or my Savage 12-BVSS in 223. Just a barrel swap on that one.
 
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