Some years ago - about five , if I recall -I purchased a rimless , grooveless , electric-primed match cartridge on AuctionArms . Reputedly made by B.E.L.L. as a specialised match round for a special rifle .

Does anyone have any information ( other than the aforementioned ) about this cartridge? It has a turned copper projectile extending 1.125" out of the casemouth and a large electric primer( looks like nickeled but who knows..? ).

Only reason I ask now is that it has taken five years to get this stuff home to me in NZ - the joys of international cartridge trading and the internet .Actually this is part of my "California" collection , my "Arizona" collection is sitting in Australia awaiting my next visit to collect that lot and bring it home too.....

Murray

I have no idea what that cartridge is but I'll buy it from you. Can I assume that you asked Teak about it? He knows everything. I just picked up a 22LR Adapter Cartridge from WWII and he not only knew what it was but told me the book and page number where I could find a description.

It sounds like you've got a good one. Good Luck on identifying it. Have you tried contacting BELL, or whatever they call themselves now?

Ray

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Can I assume that you asked Teak about it? He knows everything.

Scary statement there my friend.... just sent Teak an email to help identify a European wildcat calibre that he was having trouble with so there goes your theory out the window.....

All I know on this one is a) it isnt for sale , and b) it is weird . If I get time later in the day I will post a picture.

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Can I assume that you asked Teak about it? He knows everything.

The Hell he does! Ray, The man's a fraud! He only knows 99.99999% of everything! Or is it 09.99999% ?? I know for a fact he is particularly weak on metric stuff.

Vaguely remember this listing, I think. Don't recall exactly how the specimen came to be sold into slavery for $42 instead of being kept in the Land of the Free, but IIRC, it had something to do with a certain Kiwi sniper, as I believe someone bid $41 against a lower open and there was no other activity on the listing until the final seconds when the first bidder could not counter, putting a certain Kiwi squarely atop the losing bidder's sh!t list at the time . . . but this might only be a rumor.

Personally, I'm not familiar with this loading beyond this rumor, but I can think of two or three who might be and I will make inquiries on your behalf.

Got pictures? That might help.

Here is a grainy scan of the cartridge besides a standard configuration , although early - FA51 -developmental 7.62 x 51 military round

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Give your son a turn with the camera; maybe *he* knows how to work the focus.

Voere in Austria made a similar cartridge in .308 and 5.6 mm, only the 5.6 mm rifle was sold in significant quantity.

Yeah Muzza ive been waiting 5 years aswell for mine to get here, can finally pick them up in october when i go up to wagga wagga.
I got a .450 Needham and a .46 Johnson & Dow


Cheers
Steve

muzza,

Your picture did not come up. All I got was the box with a red X.

At one time I had a 20 m/m Marquart. It had a bevel on the base and no extractor groove on it. I do not remember the headstamp now but I would guess it is the same era, early 50's.

Hog Killer

How does it extract?

Hello;
Hard to believe, but a lot of 20mm s operate on the blowback priciple, like sub machine guns, so theoretically there's no need for an extractor. I guess in the event of a mis-fire, you just stick a broom handle down the barrel.
Grizz

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How does it extract?

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A very good question , my friend.....

I have no idea , but would guess that the design of the firearm ( and I dont know what firearm that was ) incorporated some form of extractor or ejector.

Anyone know more ?