There could be a political element to this in Pakistan.

The political spectrum has been volatile for the last couple of years.

I know that Danish's dad was very well connected and possibly even a minister in the govt a few years ago.

Just a thought.

I hope this ends well for Danish. It would be sad if this affect hunting legally in Pakistan.

Not been on AR lately, just noticed and gone through this thread now but have been aware of this unfortunate situation.

Pakistan is a magnificent country that has a lot to offer, it also has some great and honest people who are very hospitable in nature. Pakistan’s trophy hunting programs is a success that is bringing a lot of its unique mountain game back from the brink of extinction to a healthy sustainable population, all thanks to the contributing hunter’s dollars.

When I see people hunting Blue Bull and Black Buck here thinking they are hunting fair chase it is just sad and it brings bad name to the country as there is no huntable wild population of these species available in Pakistan. So yes, there are black sheep in our system that will get filtered but overall as I said there are some good honest outfitters who are doing a fantastic job in providing solid opportunities to hunters.

The last document I saw, Jason's next hearing (conference) is on August 1. That is getting close.

https://www.govinfo.gov/app/de..._23-cr-00080/context


July 24, 2023

STIPULATION and ORDER as to Jason Keith Bruce signed by Senior Judge John A. Mendez on 07/24/23 CONTINUING the Status Conference to 10/14/2023 at 09:00 AM in Courtroom 6 (JAM) before Senior Judge John A. Mendez. Excludable started as to Jason Keith Bruce: T4 Start: 08/01/23 Stop: 10/17/23. (cc Sac Criminal Agencies) (Licea Chavez, V)

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Originally posted by Kathi:
https://www.govinfo.gov/app/de..._23-cr-00080/context


July 24, 2023

STIPULATION and ORDER as to Jason Keith Bruce signed by Senior Judge John A. Mendez on 07/24/23 CONTINUING the Status Conference to 10/14/2023 at 09:00 AM in Courtroom 6 (JAM) before Senior Judge John A. Mendez. Excludable started as to Jason Keith Bruce: T4 Start: 08/01/23 Stop: 10/17/23. (cc Sac Criminal Agencies) (Licea Chavez, V)

The date noted is on a Saturday. My guess is that it won’t be on Saturday. Regardless, it does appear that something is happening soon.

By this stipulation, defendant Jason Bruce now moves to continue the status
conference until October 17, 2023, at 09:00 a.m., and to exclude time between
August 1, 2023 and October 17, 2023, at 9:00 a.m., under Local Code T4.
Defendant Jason Bruce and Defendant Pir Danish Ali were indicted on March 23,
2023. Defendant Ali remains outside the United States and has not yet been arrested
or arraigned.

Why would Pir be charged when in Pakistan , the hunt was legal?

quote:

Originally posted by Bivoj:
Why would Pir be charged when in Pakistan , the hunt was legal?

Conspiracy. It is alleged that he helped Jason Bruce get the animal in the country .

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:

quote:

Originally posted by Bivoj:
Why would Pir be charged when in Pakistan , the hunt was legal?

Conspiracy. It is alleged that he helped Jason Bruce get the animal in the country .

Got it
Thanks Larry

Any update on what happened yesterday?

Court is today the 17th.

Any information on the court date?

Nothing yet.

Well, it’s been over a week. Any updates??

Nothing yet.

It has been about 9 months . I wonder how long it will take to go to trial. I am told that he has a hearing in February.

https://www.govinfo.gov/conten...-2_23-cr-00080-6.pdf


Update link.

I can say unequivocally that one of the defendants is at the SCI convention.

I am told by two sources that Bruce filed a motion to dismiss. The government’s response was due yesterday.

No clue what they say.

https://www.govinfo.gov/conten...-2_23-cr-00080-6.pdf


The government’s oppositions to be filed by: 03/4/2024.
Replies to be filed by: 03/11/2024.
Hearing on Defendant’s Motions: 03/26/2024, at 9:00 a.m.
3. Defense counsel requires time between now and March 26, 2024 to review the
discovery, confer with his client, research and prepare Rule 12 motions, and
otherwise prepare for trial.
4. It is further stipulated that the period from the date of this stipulation through and
including March 26, 2024, should be excluded in computing the time within which
trial must commence under the Speedy Trial Act, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. §§
3161(h)(7)(A), and (h)(7)(B)(iv), and Local T4 (reasonable time for preparation of
counsel), and the parties request the Court order time excluded until March 26,
2024.
5. The parties agree that this case should go to trial in 2024 and, if the motions are
denied, both agree to request a trial date in Fall 2024.

I’d love to see the motion to dismiss as well as the government’s response.

Any news on yesterday’s hearing ?

I hear the motion to dismiss was denied. The trial is set for October.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Pakistan is a magnificent country. I had a great time on the hunt in spite of these issues.

I will admit that I did not like the being in the big cities. Too much traffic as well.

I’d definitely go back .

With the same Outfitter ?

quote:

Originally posted by mboga biga bwana:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Pakistan is a magnificent country. I had a great time on the hunt in spite of these issues.

I will admit that I did not like the being in the big cities. Too much traffic as well.

I’d definitely go back .

With the same Outfitter ?

For certain species, absolutely. Things like nilgai and black buck, no.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:

quote:

Originally posted by mboga biga bwana:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Pakistan is a magnificent country. I had a great time on the hunt in spite of these issues.

I will admit that I did not like the being in the big cities. Too much traffic as well.

I’d definitely go back .

With the same Outfitter ?

For certain species, absolutely. Things like nilgai and black buck, no.

So you had the feeling of a canned hunt and want to go back anyway. Interesting

quote:

Originally posted by mboga biga bwana:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:

quote:

Originally posted by mboga biga bwana:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Pakistan is a magnificent country. I had a great time on the hunt in spite of these issues.

I will admit that I did not like the being in the big cities. Too much traffic as well.

I’d definitely go back .

With the same Outfitter ?

For certain species, absolutely. Things like nilgai and black buck, no.

So you had the feeling of a canned hunt and want to go back anyway. Interesting

Some species were absolutely fair chase . I’d go on those that I did not believe were canned .


At the time of the hunt, I only questioned one animal. That was after it was taken that I noticed things .

https://www.courtlistener.com/...united-states-v-ali/


Court update:

Aug 29, 2024

Main Doc­ument

Notice of Request to Seal Document(s)

https://storage.courtlistener....caed.425749.39.0.pdf


Link to order.


The Court has considered the defendant’s Request to Seal the Declaration of Thomas A.
Johnson. The Court finds good cause for sealing the Declaration of Thomas A. Johnson.
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the declaration of Thomas A. Johnson shall be filed
UNDER SEAL

Wonder what that is all about?

https://storage.courtlistener....caed.425749.43.0.pdf



The Court has considered the defendant’s Request to Seal the Motion to Continue Trial
Date and Request Finding of Excludable Time Periods Under Speedy Trial Act. The Court
finds good cause for sealing the Declaration of Thomas A. Johnson in support of the Motion
to Continue Trial Date and Request Finding of Excludable Time Periods Under Speedy
Trial Act.
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the declaration of Thomas A. Johnson shall be filed
UNDER SEAL.
Dated: September 04, 2024

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Wonder what that is all about?

You are lawyer my friend.

You should tell us!

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Wonder what that is all about?

You are lawyer my friend.

You should tell us!

I am not a lawyer.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Wonder what that is all about?

You are lawyer my friend.

You should tell us!

I am not a lawyer.

My apologies.

I have no idea why I thought you were!

Regardless, you are probably more in the know about this than us.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Wonder what that is all about?

You are lawyer my friend.

You should tell us!

I am not a lawyer.

My apologies.

I have no idea why I thought you were!

Regardless, you are probably more in the know about this than us.

No problem Saeed. I have been called worse things…… by my wife.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Wonder what that is all about?

You are lawyer my friend.

You should tell us!

I am not a lawyer.

My apologies.

I have no idea why I thought you were!

Regardless, you are probably more in the know about this than us.

No problem Saeed. I have been called worse things…… by my wife.

Obviously she knows you better!

I once asked my wife if she loved me like her dog.

She said “don’t ask!”

Has the trial been delayed ?

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Has the trial been delayed ?

I’ll see if I can find out the status. I know a few people who work in that US Court.