Land Cruiser,
Roman has a post in the European section of this forum. I didn't get on his post and make rude comments about his hunt. I could care less abnout what he thinks. For your information I wear the Fleece hunting pants because of a medical condition that I have. I will wear what works for me and have hunted all over the world and taken some awsome trophies. I am not out of shape and have never taken a drink on any hunting trip other than 1 toast of a bear I shot in Siberia. Any man is entitled to his opinion but don't come on my post and call me a Liar and expect me to not retaliate. I find your post to be civil and you are right about me having the pleasure of the hunt and a fantastic trophy to show for it. I will hang the mount with my Siberia and Southern Spanish Ibex and my Tahr from N.Z. and know that I have never bought any of them!!!!

Hawkeye

It always amazes me how threads like this ever go beyond "Great trophy...congrats"

Who gives a rat's azz what did or didn't happen on the hunt. Hawkeye was gracious enough to share his photos with us, appreciate that or shut your yup. It was his hunt and it's his trophy...it has no effect on anyone else. No wonder fewer and fewer people are sharing photos on-line any more....ugh

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It is just disrespectful to hijack a thread just to charge the threadstarter for something that you can't prove, period!!

I am not sure where you found a charge. I am reading an observation based on experience followed by a number of fairly harsh remarks. Called for or deserved? Not in my book. You can tell me that my comprehension skills are not up to par or think of the fact that everyone is entitled to an opinion, especially in our country. The choice is yours.

Hawkeye, please realize that for people with experience in the area your story presents a number of reasonable doubts. No one has called you a liar prior to your attacks and therefore your attempt to retaliate is rather distasteful. More so because of the poor verbiage and ethnic/cultural remarks. I made my point on the trophy, we seem to agree there. Be your own judge.

Sheephunterab - so now it's either your way or the highway? Great constructive dialog there, especially the "yup" part. BTW, it's yap Anything else you can bring to the table? I want to be called upon to make sure that I do everything by the book. If I don't, I am open to all remarks, not just those that praise me. Do you know why? Because I make a point to do anything and everything in a way where such remarks would be impossible. And to me - that's the only way to do it. Catching the drift?

Landcruiser, I typically stay out of these shite shovelling matches but I'm up to me knees now I guess. You jumped in an created a fight with nothing more than wild speculation on a matter that didn't involve you in any way....ya, I get your drift. If anonymously belittling people makes you feel better about yourself, you know what, I feel bad for you as your life must be pretty bad. I aplogize for getting in the middle of this crap as it's really none of my business either. Great ibex Hawkeye, congrats!

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Originally posted by sheephunterab:
If anonymously belittling people makes you feel better about yourself, you know what, I feel bad for you as your life must be pretty bad.

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion, nor am I interested. Glad you realized that this wasn't worth involvement for you. It is for me.

If why isn't clear from my previous posts, I am ready to spell it out again. Best.

I just re-read the whole thread and it got me pissed off all over again. For crying out loud people, be serious.

The hunter stated that he hasn't changed clothes after the kill. Well, those fleece pants look mighty dry and clean for the amount of snow on the ground. Add the hike from the other size of the mountain where he left his backpack and heck, I think he could have stashed his wings somewhere. Two-hundred-yard offhand shot at a trophy like that? Would you take one? I wouldn't.

Hawkeye, sir, I respect your age, but let's look reality in the eye (no pun intended). I am probably half your age, have 0 fat, train 4 times a week and still don't consider myself in shape for those mountains. The altitude itself kills us flat-landers. Running with my gun and binos(no backpack) at 11000 (way lower than you were I presume) had me huffing and puffing like there is no tomorrow in under a minute, and I don't smoke.

Yet somehow I still managed to bring my camera. Both of my guides had one and my wife, who was there with the horses, also carried a camera.

The trophy is great, indeed. The story is not. You don't have to prove anything to me as I said before. You may be telling the truth all along for all I know. It just looks fishy. By now, I hope, you have a full understanding of where Roman and the other gentleman came from and what they have tried to explain.

Again, I hope you will reconsider and apologize.

Land Cruiser, thanks for support Actually I don’t need apologizes from those kind of hunters.

Hawkeye47, I can answer any questions and confirm any facts of my hunts.

I thank everyone that has sent P.M's and e-mails about my hunt. I have put land Cruiser and Roman BGH on my ignore list because it wouldn't matter what I post they will find fault with my hunt ( I guess because thery havn't taken a trophy like mine!) I guess they
have some Kind of ESP or something where they can know what went on thousands of miles. Anyone knows that fleece dries in an hour or two! Thats why it is so good for mountain hunting. At no time was anything said about an offhand shot! The shot was from a semi-prone position off my rolled up coat.

Hawkeye

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Originally posted by Hawkeye47:
Anyone knows that fleece dries in an hour or two! Thats why it is so good for mountain hunting.

Hawkeye

This is way too easy for me to comment on.

Roman - you got it. It takes guts to say what's right. Much easier to sing with the choir "Great trophy, nice hunt"

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Originally posted by Land Cruiser:

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Originally posted by sheephunterab:
If anonymously belittling people makes you feel better about yourself, you know what, I feel bad for you as your life must be pretty bad.

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.

Psychology 101!

Dear Andy I have been reading this thread for some time with great amusement. I was not on your Ibex hunt so I do not have any first hand knowledge of what happened, who shot your trophy, how you endured the riggers of the hunt exc. I was as, you may remember at the same hunting camp in In South Africa when you did a plains game hunt. If you did make a 200 yard shot and were able to endure the rigors of a Ibex hunt you should be congratulated on you remarkable improvement. If memory serves me correctly you wounded and lost a Kudu at close range off the sticks. I also remember your poor physical shape was an issue in even this non demanding hunt.Upon wounding and losing this unfortunate animal you accused the out fitter of outrageous unprofessional conduct later totally rebuked. Because you were angry that he rightfully charged you a trophy fee. I have no dog in this fight and do not know if the allegations made by The Russians are true or not but they do bring up some valid points. I have posted a copy of a thread that was posted by a well known and respected outfitter about your plains game hunt using a post thread I made in October 2010 well before the current controversy . I hope that this post will be helpful in setting context of your side of the story. PS readers can goto this thread for the complete postings

Posted 04 October 2010 21:40 Hide Post
My name is Butch Manasse and I operate Butch Manasse Outdoor Adventures and Safaris Worldwide, (www.worldwide-hunts.com and also www.thesfaridesk.com). I have been in business for 12 years as a full time booking agent. Prior to that I was a trial attorney for 27 years before retiring to chase my true passion of hunting. I have hunted extensively worldwide.

I read the Hawkeye 47 comments with a heavy heart. I agonized over responding, since these kind of trials in a public forum are pretty much a name calling gig, and accomplish little. They end of mean spirited and serve no use.

However, I had a Doctor who is a long time client and who fortuitously was at the identical camp at the identical time as Hawkeye47. I asked my Doctor client (if someone is interested I will put you in touch with him if he will allow that). Here is THAT clients UNDEDITED view of what TRULY transpired at Kerneels:

To Whom It may concern


I am aware of the controversy between Bushveld Safaris.(Kerneels Schultz) and The two indivuals who use the Email address Hawkeye47. I hunted Valley Bushveld on the same dates as the 2 indivuals in question ( Al and Andy) in April 2010.

Including this hunt I have booked 3 hunts with Butch at BMOA. Butch and his staff are honest and professional in their dealings and book affordable quality hunting experiences. As was the Valley Bushveld Safari in question. The lodge was a large new facility clean and well kept with a pleasant atmosphere. The food was excellent The staff was friendly and attentive. The rooms were clean and comfortable.

I had an excellent hard working PH in David Lloyd. Due to the nature of the game Mountain Reed Bock and Cape Bush The hunt required limited to moderate physical ability. While you had to work for it, the game was plentiful and of good quality. In addition I harvested Eland and Nyala, all trophy Quality. Trophy care was excellent, Kerneels fees for packing ,shipping and documentation preparation for export were fair and in line with what I was expecting. I found Kerneels to honest and fair in his dealings with me. I would recommend this hunt with out reservations.

In conversions with Andy I was under the impression that he had booked many hunts with Butch and that Andy trusted Butch and held him in high regard. I am surprised to read that he now thinks that Butch is not on the "up and up". The claim that hunters were only allowed to hunt certain farm specific animals is in conflict with the facts as I know them. My PH worked hard to get me the best specimens where ever they were located. I found that game was plentiful and of good quality

The issue of the tracking dogs is raised I believe by the substandard marksmanship skills of the 2 indivuals in question. Both of whom wounded and lost animals on the first hunting day. In what I believe can only be described as much less than challenging shot presentations. Due to intermittent rain I do not think dogs would have helped in the recovery of these unfortunate animals. In addition to his marksmanship challenges Al by his own admission was grossly over weight and out of shape Al stated that he could not walk any further than a 100 yards from the truck. I believe that Al's PH worked hard to compensate for this shortcomings. It is common practice for staff tips to be paid to the outfitter. I know of no evidence to the claims that Kerneels pocketed the tips as claimed. If he did he would not have a staff for very long.

In summary It is my opinion that the two indivuals involved would have had a better safari experience if they were in better physical condition and had taken the time to develop adequate shooting skills.I like them both and I am sorry that they had a bad safari experience . Andy is a very entertaining guy and I enjoyed hearing his exploits as a experienced world hunter skilled rifle shot and dauntless ladies man, every single night.
Doc

Buthc here again- I could probably go on for several pages on the pre hunt problems including cancelling the safari, resurrecting the safari, modifying the safari, severe helath problems, extreme efforts to help my clients salvage their deposits - the list of my pre-hunt efforts is a long one. I am truly surprised at the pot shot taken at my professional standing by a client I know and like. Enough said on a very sad subject.Butch

Nice turn

Shotgun46,

My hunt in South Africa was after I had major surgery and I was recovering from that. I did not miss a Kudu at close range. I knocked down a Kudu twice and lost the blood trail due to rain. I also made a 400 yard plus shot on a trophy Mountain Reedbuck and a good shot on a fantastic Nyala. That hunt was 3 years back and has nothing to do with my hunt this past fall. I had been conditioning all last Summer and felt great on my Ibex hunt. I had no problem with my guides or outfitter and worked hard for my trophy. It was a TOUGH hunt but it was rewarding in that I experienced the mountains and the country of Kyrgyzstan and shot a fine trophy.

Hawkeye

That's an exceptional ibex well done , but the whole story comes across a bit suspect to me as well? Very entertaining reading none the less.

Cheers

My trophy showed up at the taxidermist yesterday and my taxidermist was astonished that they let the cape through customs. It was not spoiled but still very wet and had lots of flesh still attached. Don't know what kept the hair from slipping but if it has we couldn't detect it anywhere. I am keeping my fingers crossed that we can save it.

Hawkeye

having a little chuckle at this post....and sorry i tend to agree....great trophy but the story has a few holes in it....just saying

Yes the capes tend to show up wet when the guide shoots the animal while the hunter remains in camp

Jim,

I'm sure you and your butt buddy have been to Kyrgyzstan and know all there is to know about hunting there and how things are done. Just like you lieing about the Kudu in Africa. So F.O.

Hawkeye

To all the know-it-alls on here.....how about some proof? Since you know everything about hunting in every corner of the globe, why not do some detective work and provide some facts. Surely you can speak firsthand with your numerous contacts to verify his story instead of shitting in this thread repeatedly.

It sucks fucking ass that the truth gets harder to find every day because of douchebags.

Edit: Well now, looks like I was a bit generous in assuming the OP has some integrity. My apologies to those that called him out on another lie.

Norton,

Thanks for your posts. I have enjoyed this forum but am sick of some of the jealous people that are trying to ruin the forum. It really pisses me off that a fat assed gay prick can come on my post and coment on my physical condition when in reality I can hunt his fat ass into the ground on my worst day.

Hawkeye

Sounds like lying is pretty much your MO.

Hawkeye,

You just proved yourself a worthless, lying POS with your brass sale to Wendel over in Classifieds. Why should anybody here believe that you are anything more....

This one in fact..

http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/6051019781/p/3

The more I read the more I learn

Hawkeye sounds like a real jerk

The brass and ammo sale fiasco to Wendell over in the classifieds gives a whole new context to the infamous Ibex hunt!

The African hunt story reinforces the doubts cast on the ibex hunt by various members.

The worst result of this thread is we apparently lost at least one member from Russia with valuable hunting experiences he could have shared. If anyone knows Roman BGH, I wish he would visit us again. He calls them as he sees 'em. I like that.

What happened to hawkeye47 defender Brettaksci,Jason P, biggamehunter, dogman, gsarria? Guess the realized they were defending a known idiot and lyer who sat in camp while the guide shot the animal...

This is a dead horse that everyone keeps beating.

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Originally posted by bhtkevin:
This is a dead horse that everyone keeps beating.

Nah this never gets old.. Especially when one is caught in a lie... Christ sake if your going to sit in camp for your hunt at least be more creative with your story oh and don't sell crappy brass and ammo

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Originally posted by 323:
What happened to hawkeye47 defender Brettaksci,Jason P, biggamehunter, dogman, gsarria? Guess the realized they were defending a known idiot and lyer who sat in camp while the guide shot the animal...

I thought it wasn't very classy to guess that someone had a guide shoot an animal for them on that persons hunt report. I still tend to agree, but I'd say the ARbay thread shows his character. Perhaps they guessed right on the guides shooting and perhaps they didn't. Not my business.

Brett

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Originally posted by Jack Schubarth:
I for one will not read any more of this post cause I don't know any of you and don't care cause no one can prove it so I'll take the high road nice animal.

Can you still see the pictures? I'm on an iPad and can't seem them. I was hoping to see this infamous ibex

I don't see any photo's. I'm on a laptop and curious myself.

I found it in about 3 seconds on African Hunting. It was in the classifieds of the outfitter he hunted with in an ad.
It is not the pic that showed the legs chopped off.

Lol looks like he rolled out of bed hell look at his boots lol this is to funny.

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What happened to hawkeye47 defender Brettaksci,Jason P, biggamehunter, dogman, gsarria? Guess the realized they were defending a known idiot and lyer who sat in camp while the guide shot the animal...

I am right here and this is the first time I have read this thread (in the last few months).
I just read the link about the brass- disgusting!

I'll admit that I was wrong an I do apologize to Roman. I am sorry I passed judgement too soon!

Sometimes it is better if I just shut my mouth; ask my wife

I'm here, friends S**t happens.

All are not hunters that blow the horn

Best regards, Roman

Hi Roman !
Great to see you back

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Originally posted by Dog Man:
Hi Roman !
Great to see you back

Thanks!