Dove Hunt: Bolivia Vs. Argentina

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28 July 2008, 04:27

larryshores

Argentina has a better developed industry. More choices. In Bolivia, it is or at least was possible to combine with peacock bass fishing.

I just got back from a duck hunt with Argentina Outfitters. My 4th year in a row with them One afternoon, they took us to their new dove place. I shot 1230 in less than 3 hours. It is a first class operation.

I have also been with Los Chanares on 3 different trips. They are also fantastic.

Unless you have been there, it is hard to describe the number of birds. Typically, I shoot 1,000 rounds in the morning and another 1,000 rounds in the afternoon.

The thing to be careful of is an outfitter that puts you on a van or bus daily for a long ride to the fields and leaves you there all day. The places I mentioned earlier have a short ride (like 5 to 15 minutes) from their lodge to their shooting locations.

Larry

28 July 2008, 06:41

juanpozzi

I have some friends who has hunting ranches in Bolivia ,they even hunt jaguar ,but the politycal situation is not good there and there are frequent crisis situations between farmers and the goverment -communist-backed by Chavez.
Here any of us can provide you at least 1000shells a day and 5 star lodge.Juan

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28 July 2008, 23:14

larryshores

Yes, I would think so. Still there is a hell of a lot of shooting.

The people that we go with place a limit on you in terms of the number of times you can shoot. They give you 5 boxes of shells in the morning and 3 in the afternoon. That is 200 shots a day. It is still a heck of a lot of loading and cleaning.

I'll send an e mail to these guys that we go with and find out what they say about black powder.

Where are you in central Florida?

28 July 2008, 23:17

larryshores

Oh damn. I forgot to mention the geese. From what I observed in 4 different trips ducks and geese are in different areas. I haven't even seen a goose while duck hunting.

Goose hunting was closed in certain areas. I don't know the details for an absolute fact. What I heard is that one species of goose that was endangered looked very similar to a fairly common species. I believe they hunt geese further south.

30 July 2008, 17:21

Gatogordo

Well, it's your trip and your money and I'm a firm believer in having fun BUT if I was you, I'd leave the flintlock at home. You can shoot it just about as much (due to the rate of reloading, etc) on a good dove hunt back in the states. Why spend all that time reloading your flinter when the birds are flying in quantities that you will rarely see anywhere else? That said, it's your trip and if it floats your boat, paddle on.

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31 July 2008, 03:06

Tanker

Larry: Actually reloading is not that slow. I'm fast enough to keep up with a typical Texas dove shoot but then I only have one shot. It does mean a whole lot more when I connect. I think one advantage to hunting waterfowl out of the States is being able to shoot lead. If the ducks and geese are decoyed in close, I can connect without choke.

30 August 2008, 09:08

JPK

The shooting is quite fast of rducks in Argentina most days, leave the front stuffer for home.

Argentina has a ton of doves (and ducks), Bolivia makes Argentina look like slow dove shooting.

But Bolivia is a poor, poor country with less infrastructure. Zimbabwe is better off than Bolivia. No joke.

JPK

13 October 2008, 22:03

kit

I have only hunted Argentina. A group of us have gone down once a year for the last 5 years. Shooting is fantastic. The first 2 years we only shot doves. The second year there were 12 of us and the second day of shooting the first full day of shooting we shot 24,000+ dove. All but 2 people shooting 2,000 dove and one guy shot 3,000. We hunted with Paco Reista for the first 4 years and this past August we hunted with SYC. Last year we added pidgeons and ducks to the dove shooting. We shoot each for 2 days. I am an avid duck hunter but I enjoyed the pidgeons the most. There are no limits on dove, limits on ducks was 25 morning and 25 evening. Pidgeons was 200 a day. Everyone did not shoot limits of ducks each outing. No one shot the 200 pidgeon limit. We have been going in August, this is not the best time of year for any of the birds. 2009 we are going in May because of an Africa hunt in July.

For anyone that likes to shoot and shoot and shoot more I would suggest Argentina for birds.

14 October 2008, 02:32

JohnAir

Dear Tanker,
I have a client (and friend) who comes down to shoot with his muzzle loaders. One is a flintlock reproduction who's beauty just defies description, the other is a best Vintage English gun, enough said. I unerstand what you are about with the front stuffers, it is all about having fun. The powder that we can get here is inka-el. It is slightly weaker than the powder you use in the States. It worked just fine with the cap ignition gun but we had dificulties with the flintlock. It seems the powder was a bit weak for good ignition. The most apt quarry for the front stuffers ended up being perdiz over dogs. I recomend that you bring your own powder loaded into regular shotgun cartridges and then recover the powder here. I know I am going out on a limb by recomending this and the busy bodies are going to jump all over it, but if you really want to use the flintlock, this seems to be the way. There is no specific prohibition that I know of that precludes this option. Bring a flat (10 boxes) of 12 ga shotgun loads and have your bird boy recover the components here.

Good luck.

John