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For these fukkers?  I say lifetime hunting and firearms license revocations (even though I'd be surprised and disappointed to learn that these vermin come from any sort of hunting background), 5000 hours community service on conservation projects (in mosquito infested swampland in summer, preferably), $20K fines apiece, one year in prison and ten years of probation. Sickening stuff. Prepare to get angry. I can't wait for them to get grabbed. And with this video out there, it's only a matter of time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-g7Ie0nr2k ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | ||
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KG, That was sickening to watch. I would like to see you up the community service to 10K hrs, and include rescue of oil spill ducks and seabirds. $100K in fines. No prison time though, jails are overcrowded as it is and these little $hitheads would just get worse. 20 years probation. One more thing......Have a 4'9" Philipino man with a cane deliver 30-45 lashes apiece. Throw a bucket of water on them if they pass out, wak'em up and keep lashing. Infront of their families, friends, and the land owners whom they deprived of waterfowl. Whadda ya wanna bet these little Basturds never got spanked when they were little? $hit like this really gets me wound up! Andy Corpus Christi,Texas We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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Oh, horse hockey. Yes, it was illegal. Yes, they should be punished, but "sickening"? They shot a few ducks, mostly coots and helldivers as far as I could tell, maybe a blackjack. Looks to me like they killed less than most of us do on a good morning and probably would become good hunters with a bit of education. By the terrain, I'd guess Canada or somewhere in N or S Dakota. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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For every idiot that films himself commiting a crime there are countless more who don't. I agree that these assclowns probably don't come from hunting pedigree. And I also agree that community service is the correct and most painful way to punish them. Maybe after constructing their 1000th wood duck box each they'll have a better appreciation. And if they haven't been caught yet, then I just give up. That being said, I'd reserve sickening for more egregious offenses. Anyone recall the d-bags that killed around 200 woodies over the limit in 2 days in Tenn. last year.....and then sent the photos around?!?!?!? To me, hunters who knowingly poach a pile of trophy bucks out of season to sell the antlers(just as one example) are far worse than a couple of misguided losers shooting a few coots.  | |||
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While the killing of a few coots may not be a big loss what I find sickening is the lack of respect for hunting ethically. As far as punishment I would like to see them all "fixed" so they can't breed - and while at it fix their daddy and grandpa too. ALLEN W. JOHNSON - DRSS Into my heart on air that kills From yon far country blows: What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those? That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain, The happy highways where I went And cannot come again. A. E. Housman | |||
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Your guess of Canada is correct, as I understand it. Now, what makes you think that this was an isolated incident? I'd bet my bottom dollar it wasn't. What makes you think they haven't done this sort of shit to big game, to people's property and to God knows what else, in the name of 'fun'? At least a lowly poacher gets some leeway with me if he's truly destitute and is eating or feeding to his family what has been killed illegally. You kill it just to kill it, or are found with its head sawed off? We're I judge, you've just forfeited your right to hunt for the rest of your days, you're going inside and facing a hefty fine. Once out, you're on the side of the highway picking up trash for a few thousand hours. Sickening? Yeah, to some of us that's exactly what it is. I'm thinking that shooting ducklings with rifles in Summer, on film, so as to be posted on the web with references to the game Nintendo game Duck Hunt tells me all I need to know about these vermin. Palmer, you summed it up pretty nicely. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Don't get me wrong there KG, there's a special place in my abattoir just for this type. As usual, you know my tag line.....if this is a repeat offense for these scumbags then off with their heads. Or better yet, to the chum bucket with them. | |||
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SASKATOON - Three Saskatchewan men have been arrested in connection with a recent video posted on YouTube that shows a trio of males using rifles to shoot ducks on a prairie pond. The Saskatchewan Ministry of Environment says all three suspects are from a Saskatoon-area community. The ministry also says the video was shot at a location in rural Saskatchewan, and that all three suspects face charges under both federal and provincial wildlife protection laws. The video depicts two of the men firing at the ducks while the third captures their glee on camera. The Internet posting led to widespread public outrage over the shooting. The three men will appear in Saskatoon provincial court on Monday. *********************************************** Assemble the mob and ignite the torches! We gon' have us a fish fry!  ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Probably partially a result of the Saskatchewan and Canadian government making it quite difficult of young people to get a hunting license. I'm not excusing them, but there are unintended consequences for most governmental actions. I have hunted many times not very far from that area. I knew it looked familiar. I'm still a long ways from convinced it's some major crime spree deserving of more punishment than the average robber gets in the US. We'll see what the Canadian courts think. Of course, I'm somewhat in agreement with those who suggested they should not be allowed to breed.......anyone who is stupid enough to allow themselves to be videoed while performing illegal acts and then is even more stupid and posts it on the web probably doesn't need to add to our population base. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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 Need to make a public example of these cretans, lest the anti's lump them in with those of us whose religion is waterfowling. | |||
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You don't seem to understand, it doesn't matter to the Peta types, we're all the same in their eyes. True, this foolishness doesn't help, but if no one EVER violated a game law, the Peta would still have the same position, that is ban all hunting. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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It's not the PETA whackos that I'm concerned with; we'll never get any of them on our team. It's those that are either on the fence or somewhat against hunting that, once shown a bit of the light, will be propenents or at least accept that we're not all deranged savages, rather than straight opponents. I have converted several in my life (one at work regularly asks for and gets game meat from me--a woman no less), and it is my belief that the more people that understand a thing or two about hunting and those that hunt, the better. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Ya know Charlie, that is a major problem here in the USofA. I don't think punishments fit the crimes. I don't think punishments are near severe enough to deter 1st time or repeated offenders from continuing in their actions. While the're at it it seems an automobile was used in the act, so take away their driving priveledge too. Maybe make them wear a scarlet letter D for dumba$$. Take examples from Singapore and cane the little bassturds(fi$h$hit is pretty low in the pond). Sasquatch We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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KG: All of us have seen these types in practically any state in the US. I grew up on some 130 acres of upstate NY property and at an early age saw two different types of people who were carrying firearms in the countryside - 1) The ones of who came up to the house and asked for permission to hunt (always granted) and 2) the people in cars who shot at telephone pole insulators and at all "No Trespassing" signs. I didn't understand the mentality of those people when I was 10,20,50 and not today coming up to 80. I understand (and sympathize with) your anger but I would place my own anger on Palmer's grounds of a lack of ethics. (At least, that's what I tell myself in the calmness of typing in a quiet room. "On the ground", and suitably armed, I might have been inclined to spare the taxpayers all that expense. (Sometimes I marvel at how I have stayed out of jail so long!)  Regards - (and on another topic- I do deeply sympathize with your grief about the current standing of the Bosox. OK, I'm lying, of course!) | |||
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Palmer: Your comment about "ethics" caught my eye and sent me to look up the comment of Aldo Leopold in his "A Sand County Almanac". If I'm preaching to the converted about Aldo Leopold then just bear with me anyway. He wrote: " A peculiar virtue in wildlife ethics is that the hunter ordinarily has no gallery to applaud or disapprove of his conduct. Whatever his acts,they are dictated by his own conscience,rather than by a mob of onlookers.It is difficult to exaggerate the importance of this fact". There is (or should be)a real sense of ethics in people who should have any right to call themselves hunters. (Again, my apologies if you already are familiar with Aldo Leopold {and I suspect that you are}) | |||
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Just when I thought we were getting to be friends, ya kick a guy when he's down! That's OK. When the season gets close to the end, I'll be sure to drop a few highlight links to you and your beloved Evil Empire doing the head down slow walk.   As always, good points, bud. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Yep they are caught - Here's an account in their local paper: http://www.calgarysun.com/news...10/10412096-sun.html ________ Ray | |||
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I think their remorse is over getting caught. | |||
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Once they are convicted, which should be a formality given the video, they need to have the book thrown at them. Partly for their crime, and partly for terminal stupidity! | |||
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Just saw a video somewhere that their arms were confiscated and were fined $16K. If that's the extent of their punishment, I'm very disappointed. One of the jackasses convicted was 'apologizing' and talking about "...we really didn't know it was illegal, honestly; we see hunting shows with guys killing animals all the time and thought it was OK". This coming from a 30 year old. It made me seethe with anger that he would try to claim that he and his idiot compadres thought it was totally legal. Liars, on top of everything else. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Ridiculous overpunishment based on the public outrage due to their stupid video.  xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Really? If they were doing the killing on your land, would you feel differently? Actually, nevermind; I'm not terribly interested in anything you have to say. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Well, then why reply, fish? If they were on my land, I'd probably have them arrested for trespassing. I didn't get a good count but I think they probably killed about 8 ducks, which appeared to be coots (not ducks) or possibly a scaup or two (blackjacks). Anyone who thinks $2000 (even Canadian) plus is a fair price for a common duck is fucking nuts and you apparently are in that category. If killing a duck is so heinous, then you should join Peta, because that is the same attitude as the anti-hunters have, specifically, "we're better than you because we kill things for their benefit". Finally, to answer your general question, even if I caught him red handed, I wouldn't want someone to pay $16,000 for illegally killing a few ducks or a regular deer. That's way over the top, just like you are, fish. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Ha! What, you run out of cherry juice? Why don't you just come out and drop some proper slurs? We both know what you want to say; don't be shy. For a guy who seems to have self-appointed himself to AR moderator status, you sure get worked up easily when someone tosses back at you the same kind of bullshit arrogance and vitriolic garbage you constantly spew here. You rarely have *anything* of value to add, dude, unless we're counting insults and put-downs. Your most endearing quality is your consistency-- in being a fucking dick. Just how many hunts have you taken the time to share, or posted pics, or any offered truly constructive insight--without coming off like a know-it-all AR God? Damned few; matter of fact, I can't think of one. One of the reasons I enjoy AR so much is because there is so much experience and comraderie that defies class, income bracket and experience. People come here to share, and for the banter, and info. There are truly very few like you, who seemingly come on here just to shit on people. I dunno' who shat in your cream of wheat, or whatever, but I'd like to suggest you take a few Midol, and have a reality check. The whole point of the thread was simply to A., see what folks here--hunters--thought about the bird killings and what punishment was appropriate. Most seem to agree with me that the crimes were of such a lousy nature that they ought to be severe. It bothers me *every* time I see and hear of people hurting our fraternity, and guess what? While I'll admit that my original punishment was a tad severe (the prison sentence was too much) I also believe that people like you hurt hunters. Of all groups, we hunters' voices should be amongst the loudest in collective condemnation of outrages such as these. The slob hunter image is one that has stuck, if you haven't put that together, and your slap on the wrist, 'them boys wuz jest havin' some fun wit sum danged coots; boys will be boys, yessiree' scenario plays right into the public's image that we don't give a fuck about the animals we hunt. That it was a few coots ain't cuttin' it with me. And one more time on a previous question you dodged: do you truly believe that was an isolated incident? A freaking guy, an adult, 30 years old, and a couple of his flunky loser friends thinking that's OK, just out of the blue? People jumping up and down with glee whacking the birds, all the while trying to get enough footage to post on youtube, are the kinds of cretins you'd give a gun back to? That, to me, is flat out troubling. But then, I doubt you've hunted much in the past few years, if at all, as you've been too busy bashing and ridiculing folks here and playing AR cop cum all seeing one. Whatever the case, fellah, you seem to have lost sight of lots of things, including your decency. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Kamo How do you really feel. All this beating around the bush is exhausting  I think a $1,000.00 fine and 100hrs community service for the wildlife dept. would be in line. Good news is they got caught and will hopefully learn from the errors of their ways. Isn't that the best case scenario? As young hunters, maybe shooters is a better term, we probably all shot something we shouldn't have and got our ass whipped by a grandpa or father. We learned our lesson in following game laws and understanding ethics for living creatures. I'm all for punishment but it has to lead to repentence or it will just happen again. Life time bans and prison terms have never solved anything in a case like this. The species being coots does raise the question it is just a coot but I think that falls in to the category of "if you'll lie you'll cheat, if you cheat you'll steal, if you'll steal you'll kill" Perry | |||
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Very easy to turn a blind eye to poaching......but I'm still not convinced these losers fall into the category of hardcore poachers like the one's this article is referencing. And I agree that fatcat should stick to BBQ reviews, since it would appear that that's the only thing that keeps him civil. Wildlife in the crosshairs as poaching ramps up By TRACIE CONE, The Associated Press 1:50 p.m. January 15, 2009 FRESNO, Calif. — The country's financial tumult is exacting a toll on wildlife in California and Florida, where game wardens are seeing a surge in poaching for money as the economy declines. In California, where officials are calling 2008 "The Year of the Extreme Poacher," state records show that arrests for the illegal killing of game birds, deer, bear, fish and abalone, which fetch $100 a pound, have risen dramatically since 2005. One man was arrested four times for poaching lobsters in a La Jolla marine conservation area. A Gilroy man was caught with 335 waterfowl in his freezers, including protected species. And two people were arrested in Sacramento for allegedly poaching and selling deer to a meat market for $150 each. With the struggling economy, some people are desperate enough to seek profits by poaching species that can be sold on the black market to consumers, retailers and restaurants. And officials say increased poaching here and in Florida may be a harbinger for the rest of the country. "Most trends in the fish and wildlife world seem to start in Florida and California," said Lt. Col. Jim Brown of the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. Florida wildlife officials say that poaching arrests are down because of budget-related staffing cuts but poaching for sale has taken off during the recession. In recent months, authorities nabbed two men in Central Florida with 20 dead does and stags, and three men in the Florida Keys with 771 undersized lobster tails. "It's all about money," Brown said. Poaching is not a federal offense, so U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service officials say they do not keep national statistics. While wildlife authorities in New York have not noticed any increase in poaching, Michigan officials are seeing increased demand for legal hunting permits for female deer. "We were hearing a lot more people were out trying to take as many as they could to stock their freezers," said Mary Dettloff, spokeswoman for Michigan's Department of Natural Resources, adding that figures for 2008 are not yet available. California officials acknowledge the pickings here are particularly easy because there are only 374 game wardens to patrol this state with thousands of miles of mountains and seashore. "It's like the perfect storm," said Nancy Foley, chief of the California Department of Fish and Game's law enforcement division. "The thing about wildlife, like abalone, is that we don't know what its breaking point is." Although this year's California poaching statistics are not yet compiled, records show that between 2005, when the economy was relatively good, and 2007, when it was faltering, the number of poaching-related violations increased from 14,150 to 17,840. Illegal bear kills alone went from nine to 49. "They're just taking as many as they can to make money," said Patrick Foy, a game warden who has been monitoring the increase. Poaching is a misdemeanor in California, punishable by up to a year in jail and a $10,000 fine, though abalone violations can be four times higher. Yet officials say some repeat offenders seem undeterred. One of the most lucrative creatures sought by repeat offenders is the abalone, a prized mollusk sought for its delicate flavor. Abalone harvesting is off limits south of the San Francisco Bay, but game wardens say that did not stop Ty Lieu and Hoa Pham, who took advantage of an extreme low tide Nov. 13 to pry dozens of abalone from rocks along the Big Sur Coast 200 miles south of the cutoff line. Officials said it was Lieu's fourth arrest for abalone poaching, a crime for which he had two prior convictions, and Pham's fourth offense on a fish and game violation. He was convicted once. The two are scheduled to be arraigned on the new charges this month. In Sacramento, wardens arrested the owner of a meat market for allegedly purchasing deer from two people who were found with at least 11 deer at their home, along with abalone and squirrels. California's rich waterfowl population is suffering more poaching than it has for a century, officials said. Not since the market poaching days of the early 1900s have we seen waterfowl poaching of this scope," Foley said of one recent case. Sandhill Cranes and Tundra Swans were among hundreds of endangered, threatened and protected birds that wardens found in the freezers of Peter Ignatius Ciraulo, who pleaded no contest in November to three violations. He was placed on two years probation and ordered to pay a $7,105 fine and perform 100 hours community service. Not all killing is for profit, wardens said. Jesse Cal Rodes, 25, whose truck sported the bumper sticker "Kill All the Furry Creatures," was fined $10,000 and served 90 days in jail for killing 26 deer. Authorities say he tacked the tails to his garage wall, ate some deer and let the carcasses of others rot on his property near Sonora. Fish and Game's enforcement chief has seen evidence of nine illegal deer kills in the woods near her Sacramento-area home. "A lot of poachers would go into the same category as drug dealers and automobile thieves; they're tenacious," Foley said. "It's really frightening to see what's been happening." | |||
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Fish on........  xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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There you go, about what they should have gotten. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I suppose you're right, Perry; that is the best case scenario. I'm not holding my breath, however. Cheers, KG ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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What are you 14 years old? Don't ply that bullshit.....you weren't baiting anyone, that's just how you roll. | |||
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Must be a shad......probably foul hooked, or would that be fowl hooked? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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KG: Having always been a believer in the old command: " Stand up and be counted", I am with you in your comments to "Fat cat". (What, you also flunked Spanish 101? No wonder, you're a Bosox fan) Perry beat me to the punch in his comment. Can we be sure this is really how you feel? (and here I always thought that people in MA never spoke in any but the most restrained of language. Are you really from MA and not NY?) Regards anyway. | |||
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Gerry, you're good people, and thanks. I still haven't given up in trying to get you out for ducks with me, BTW...Even if you are delusional about your baseball team. As far as where I'm from: born and raised in the Mean Bean. That said, my wife lives and works in Manhattan 5 days a week; we have an apartment in SoHo. In other words, your team has a mole! You're a class act, mister. Thanks for the support.______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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GP: Insult the mighty grouse and this is what I get.  KG: Ha, no wonder you're such a horse's ass. You have to live in Boston and are married to someone who works in NY. Figures. You wrote:
As far as "no hunting in the last few years", I have more hunting around me every day than you probably get in a year. But to just to provide my recent calendar, I hunted two trips in Africa last year, a couple of weeks in Namibia with my son, and on another trip to South Africa for a week. I hunt deer at least a 100 days a year on my ranch and in other places, I hunt hogs almost every day year around (slow down in heat of summer), I killed several limits of ducks last year (hard to do it all, duck hunting and deer hunting are not really compatible), have been on two weekend hunts with groups off another site this summer, am currently planning food plots and doing surveys for my Tx Parks and Wildlife Level 3 Game Management Plan on my ranch, am trying to go on another hunt in Namibia in the next few months as I write, and the beat goes on......how many days a year do you hunt? I'm not, by any stretch, claiming to be "Mr. Hunter", there are many, many people on this site alone who have much more and more varied experiences than I do, but I hunt what I want to hunt, and I enjoy it. Personally, I think what some people will pay to kill a moose, a bear, or various sheep is a helluva lot more than I'd pay for one shot but it's their money and I wish them weidmannsheil. I'm just not as hard assed as some poor city boys who claim they are such monster environmentalists, I've seen all that kind of stuff like the Canadian video many times when I was a kid and it is not uncommon, in one form or another, anywhere out in the coutryside even today. Yeah, it's wrong, and yeah, I think they should be punished, but it ain't that big of a deal. That kind of moronic behavior wouldn't even make the arrest reports in McCurtain County, Ok a few miles N or me, where the locals think duck season closes when they fly back north and they kill a helluva lot more than a few coots. It's not armed robbery, rape, or murder. Try to have some kids, if you can figure out how, and you'll probably become more tolerant. Until then, try to get a grip, you seem to think anyone gives a damn what you scream about. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Congrats for being the first person on AR I've ever put on ignore. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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BTW for anyone who cares here is a link to a description of trial results.....trial xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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KG: Your comments to me warmed me -and I mean that. I am glad that you had the good sense to marry a girl who works in Manhattan. (I was born and raised and worked all my life in Manhattan) However I do have to educate an ignorant Bostonian about NYC geography. Your lady could not be a "mole" because the Yankees are in the borough of the Bronx which is not the borough of Manhattan. In fact, to a Manhattan native, the Bronx is a foreign land (No, don't ask why,then, I support the Yankees-partly it has to do with the Irish in me that wants to pick a fight with Boston and partly because I could never support the replacement for my Brooklyn Dodgers,i.e., the current NY Mets. BTW, the BOSOX are now 7 1/2 games out of first. I hate to rub salt in the wound (No, there I go, lying again!) Are you sure the duck hunting invitation still stands? Regards Gerry | |||
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Don't worry Gerry....I hunt/fish with KG all the time and I'm a transplanted NY'er.....now in NH.....born in Brooklyn....grew up in north Jersey.....and I'm about as big a Yankees fan as there is. So if his invitation is off......mine is on.....come on up, or over as it were if you're in upstate NY. BTW, KG is coming out to the Finger Lakes with me for a redhead hunt at the end of the year.....you anywhere near there? | |||
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Yup they were morons for sure. I wonder how many of us HAVEN'T shot at something illegal in our early years. I've shot robins, shot ducks with a 22- actually shot a teal out of the air with a 22. All illegal and stupid and I should have been punished...but I wasn't caught. Eventually I learned by hunting with others that certain behavior isn't cool. I took the hunter education courses and learned more about ethics etc. These kids should have been given community service and forced to take hunter/firearm safety classes. Then they should have been taken om mentored hunting trips a couple times to learn how to hunt. the chef | |||
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