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Originally posted by calgarychef1:
Yup they were morons for sure. I wonder how many of us HAVEN'T shot at something illegal in our early years. I've shot robins, shot ducks with a 22- actually shot a teal out of the air with a 22. All illegal and stupid and I should have been punished...but I wasn't caught.

Eventually I learned by hunting with others that certain behavior isn't cool. I took the hunter education courses and learned more about ethics etc.

These kids should have been given community service and forced to take hunter/firearm safety classes. Then they should have been taken om mentored hunting trips a couple times to learn how to hunt.

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I've never killed an animal illegally. I guess I'm weird... Wink Did you retrieve and eat your teal? If yes, assuming it was also at a fairly young age, I'd not think it was cool, but could chalk it up to childhood stupidity, if it was an isolated incident.

Chef, one of those 'kids' was 30 years old. Were they 13 or so, I'd be far more inclined to cut them some slack. If you haven't figured out at 30 that that kind of shit doesn't float, IMO, it's far too late.


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Norton:

Many thanks for the kind invite. I'm on Long Island (yeah, I should have gone north like you). I am 79 and have not hunted in some 10 years or so because of health problems. Anyway, again my thanks.
 
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Move over so I can join you as one of the "weird" people who didn't violate game laws. (Actually,in any event, I found the video of grown men shooting with a rifle at the literal "sitting ducks" to be shocking -as you did) (BTW, I loved your response to one poster where you asked if he ate the teal. My father had his own set of game laws and one rule I learned early on was - "Don't shoot it if you won't eat it". In plain words, wildlife was not some kind of target for my childish impulse to want to "shoot at something". I lived to learn that not everyone got that kind of education)
 
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No sweat Gerry.....my last stop prior to moving up here was 3 years in East Meadow, Long Island at NUMC learning how to fix hands and make boobs bigger. Shame I never got to duck hunt while I was down there.....just too darned busy, as it were.
 
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Of course I ate the teal, they're delicious!

My point might have been missed, a fine by itself isn't much of a learning tool-just like jailtime doesn't help.

Suppose the "kids" had been given the community service and had to volunteer for a couple hundred hours with Ducks Unlimited. You know restoring habitat, setting up nesting boxes etc. They would be way further ahead on the learning curve than simply a fine. I say fine them, make them take hunter safety, volunteer with DU then go hunting with a more experienced guy to really learn what hunting is about.
 
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Of course I ate the teal, they're delicious!

My point might have been missed, a fine by itself isn't much of a learning tool-just like jailtime doesn't help.

Suppose the "kids" had been given the community service and had to volunteer for a couple hundred hours with Ducks Unlimited. You know restoring habitat, setting up nesting boxes etc. They would be way further ahead on the learning curve than simply a fine. I say fine them, make them take hunter safety, volunteer with DU then go hunting with a more experienced guy to really learn what hunting is about.


I think your heart's in the right place, but I disagree that those guys, given their age and egregious killings, should ever be allowed to hunt. From where I sit, what they did was a criminal act, and as such, would have their licenses to possess firearms revoked for life,m especially as I don't believe it was an isolated incident. Slobs like that just don't belong in our ranks. My opinion, anyway. And worth what you paid for it, as you know. Wink

You're right on the teal though, Chef. They're damned fine groceries, and I can't wait to get back after them in about 6 weeks.

Gerry, you're good people; always appreciate your input. Even if you do root for the wrong team. Smiler

Norton, if you're still up, holler at me. Heading out of the Mack for stripers at 0400 before tuna on the Cape TH and F.

Thanks for the discussion, fellas.


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Norton:

Many thanks for the kind invite. I'm on Long Island (yeah, I should have gone north like you). I am 79 and have not hunted in some 10 years or so because of health problems. Anyway, again my thanks.


Gerry, you continue to be difficult, but I haven't given up on you yet. Wifey stays in the city, but works in Lake Success/Great Neck. I have duck hunting friends in Patchogue as well that I visit as well. If nothing else, I'm going to hound you to at least come out for coffee. Before I head down next time, I'll PM you. If nothing else, I'm persistent! Wink


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KG:

Please educate me about the apparent mysteries of the PM. I have gotten so far as to put you and Norton on my list but am baffled as to how to send a message. How do you (and Norton) get access to my profile where I have given my email address?
 
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Gerry, the easiest way to do it is by clicking on my (or anyonie else's name) at the top left of any posts of mine. From the drop down menu that appears when you click the name you then would choose #4 from the top, entitled 'invite member XYZ to a private topic' or somesuch. Smooth sailing from there. I noted your mention of cape buffalo hunting in another post I've read of yours here. That coffee (and lunch) are on me too, as long as you start dropping some good old hunting takes on me. Smiler

Off to hunt tuna east of Chatham. Wish me luck!


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I'm just not as hard assed as some poor city boys who claim they are such monster environmentalists, I've seen all that kind of stuff like the Canadian video many times when I was a kid and it is not uncommon, in one form or another, anywhere out in the coutryside even today. Yeah, it's wrong, and yeah, I think they should be punished, but it ain't that big of a deal. That kind of moronic behavior wouldn't even make the arrest reports in McCurtain County, Ok a few miles N or me, where the locals think duck season closes when they fly back north and they kill a helluva lot more than a few coots. It's not armed robbery, rape, or murder. Try to have some kids, if you can figure out how, and you'll probably become more tolerant. Until then, try to get a grip, you seem to think anyone gives a damn what you scream about.


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These AR sentencing tigers sound more politically correct than greenpeace. Their sentence opinions sound like anti-gun and anti-hunting grandstanding. Calgary carrying a story about three assholes popping coots outside Saskatoon? Saskatoon and Calgary aren't even in the same province.
 
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Excellent AR name choice.


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