I am astounded that some of you are advocating hunting with inadequate eyesight. You can't see to aim you damn well shouldn't be hunting. It is unethical to the animal and downright dangerous to others in the field.

If you can correct your eyesight then great. But if not, then you need to retire yourself. The same goes for driving.

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Originally posted by JohnHunt:
I am astounded that some of you are advocating hunting with inadequate eyesight. You can't see to aim you damn well shouldn't be hunting. It is unethical to the animal and downright dangerous to others in the field.

If you can correct your eyesight then great. But if not, then you need to retire yourself. The same goes for driving.

As you age it is harder to align your iron sites and target.It has nothing to do with your ability to recognize people vs. game.Besides that you will hear me coming by the Tapping of my cane!!!!

John must be about 16 from the tone of his post. John there is a thing called ageing, you will do it eventually. As stated the big thing is inability to focus on iron sights and the game at various distances as he eye get older. It has absolutely nothing to do with actual vision at any distance. I can see from two inches out to infinity with 20-15 vision but cannot focus on iron sights. You obviously did not understand what was being discussed.

42 actually.

And I also am noticing issues using peep sites. When the time comes that I cannot make an ethical shot on an animal, then I will no longer use them.
I won't keep using them because it is my god given right or some other nonsense.

You still have a way to go and hopefully still be able to hunt. I can make ethical shots on game but I limit my shots to 100 yards and I use a scope as Arizona allows it. I would guess that I can shoot as well with my system as most of the younger guys with peeps or iron sights. I would be hard pressed to shoot as accurately with only iron sights. It seems fair to the game to use the best system that the law allows. I may stretch my distance to 150 yards this year if I get enought time to practice that range. I will not shoot an animal that I cannot put a well placed accurate shot in the correct spot. By the way John you are the same age as one of my sons so you are still just a kid so enjoy being young. I will be 70 this year and still hunt elk alone and get mine out without help. So don't write off us older guys as not decent caring capable hunters.

It's not about age.

BTW: When I took an elk 5 years ago an "old guy" helped load it in a truck. He was damn strong, made me look foolishly weak (I am 6'2 210lbs). Been doing pushups ever since. Old loggers, they are strong folk.

Archery and muzzleloader seasons all started as primitive weapons seasons. If you want to know how we got too where we are just follow the money trails.

These have to be the most boring, beat to death discussions on the forums.

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Archery and muzzleloader seasons all started as primitive weapons seasons

To make an untrue statement like this perhaps based on your states ML season beginnings just shows how different this ML'er debate and facts can be. My state started ML'er season allowing all types and style ML'ers including inlines which were for sale and in use at the time, as well as scopes, sabots, 209 primers and smokeless powder. No changes later because of $ it was started and called muzzleloader season from its very beginning....... not primitive ML'er season. What may be the case in one state can be completely different in another state which makes blanket statements like the one above both unfactual and incorrect. ML'er season laws and methods need to be debated and argued from a stste by state standpoint not with some primitive mindset which don't always apply or have any factual merit whatsoever. Very boring and unproductive indeed.....

Dave

UC I second that statement.

Al

I can see 20-20 with my glasses but I still cant shoot iron sites good.A scope helpes you see your targer better for a better shot.A deer hunt I use to go to on PW had hundreds of people around 700 per hunt.Without scopes they shot around 150 deer and the game warden said sometimes they woundened just as many or left sublegal bucks.It was 4 points on one side.When scopes were finally allowed the game warden found very few wounded deer and very few sublegal bucks.The # of deer killed only increased about 10% which was alot better use of the resource.