Cable News Ratings Friday March 10: Tucker Carlson Lands First, More Than Tripling MSNBC and CNN in Demo
Story by Mediaite Staff • Yesterday 4:58 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/n...84771d81b4d3e&ei=134

Tucker Carlson had a bruising week thanks to the revelations regarding the gulf between his private and public beliefs (I hate Trump passionately, etc.) as well as his controversial commentary on the Jan. 6 attack at the US Capitol (sightseeing, etc.)

Those controversies did nothing to hurt his ratings. The host of Tucker Carlson Tonight closed out last week as the top rated host in cable news on Friday, with 3.09 million total viewers and 365,000 in the advertiser-coveted 25-54 demo.

That audience was enough to beat out the usual top show in cable news, Fox News’s The Five, as well as beat the competition on MSNBC and CNN by miles.

In total viewers, Carlson tripled the 8 p.m. competition on MSNBC and sextupled his CNN rival. In the demo, Carlson more than tripled both MSNBC and CNN.

So bizarre. The little frat boy turns my stomach.

Just like Trump, he's figured out how to tap the resource.

I repeat: bizarre. Both of them world-class liars and everybody knows it. Shit, Carlson's e-mails show even he knows it. Yet, worshipped by the brain-washed zombie republicans who treat what they both say as gospel.

Maddow et al are just as bad.

Why does Carlson have ratings compared to them?

Probably 3 major reasons…

1. The rest of the media is predominantly leftist in its outlook. The viewership is diluted. Imagine MSNBC’s ratings if they were the only source that was far left.

2. Fox is the only TV media outlet with right of center op Ed programming. While a few mainstream sources have a token conservative (like Fox with liberals) but you have to listen to way more liberal agitprop for the few things that offer self affirmation. It’s a bit unusual for the average viewer to listen to someone denigrate their views and intelligence on a consistent basis, so the MSM loses about 1/3-1/2 the audience by doing that.

3. The leftists are in charge. If the GOP was in control, the right would be complacent and most of them would be assuming the political ship of state was doing what they want, and would get back to their usual pursuits. That’s what the left is doing now, and despite the occasional shrill noise from the leftist agitators, they just can’t be bothered to watch it.

Just like how on a quiet news day with good weather the local news has a notably lower viewership, so it goes on a national level.

You have to admit that Carson did not make up video footage, he just selected less damning footage (that probably actually is typical of the vast majority of it) and that doesn’t support the 1/6 committee and the Democrat’s characterization of the events.

The facts are some bad actors were involved.

Some bad events occurred.

Some politicians felt uncomfortable.

The amount of the above and whether it is accurate to portray the whole event as a stain on the body politic is opinion that has been used to further political positions.

I don’t think you will get much disagreement on individuals where evidence lies as to what they did. It’s when you try and generalize that you start getting the pushback.

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Maddow et al are just as bad.

Not even close. You are a perfect example of how this happens.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Maddow et al are just as bad.

Not even close. You are a perfect example of how this happens.

Exactly 100% correct.

Actually, if I’ve watched 15 minutes of Tucker the twit in the last 3 years, I’d be very surprised.

I’ve seen more of the Madcow than Carlson… mainly because at work CNN and MSNBC is on some of the monitors.

They are identical. They try to deceive for political and financial purposes. Facts are to be manipulated when they can, and ignored when they disagree.

You two are obviously in the left’s echo chamber that some liars are better than others.

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You two are obviously in the left’s echo chamber that some liars are better than others

The hypocrisy of the left.......



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Originally posted by crbutler:
Maddow et al are just as bad.

When Maddow is faced with a 1.9 BILION $$ lawsuit, for lying and damages thereof, get back with us.

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Originally posted by crbutler:

Why does Carlson have ratings compared to them?

2. Fox is the only TV media outlet with right of center op Ed programming. for the few things that offer self affirmation. It’s a bit unusual for the average viewer to listen to someone denigrate their views and intelligence on a consistent basis, so the MSM loses about 1/3-1/2 the audience by doing that.

That's what we have been saying. It's about affirmations, and hearing what one want's to hear.

Carlson's ratings are actually scary when we realize that he's tapped into something contra-truth, contra-reality.

I think the use of the word "intelligence" is a stretch in this context.

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Originally posted by crbutler:

You have to admit that Carson did not make up video footage, he just selected less damning footage (that probably actually is typical of the vast majority of it) and that doesn’t support the 1/6 committee and the Democrat’s characterization of the events.

(That's Carlson's whole point)

The amount of the above and whether it is accurate to portray the whole event as a stain on the body politic is opinion that has been used to further political positions.

I don’t think you will get much disagreement on individuals where evidence lies as to what they did. It’s when you try and generalize that you start getting the pushback.

That's just apologist BS.

Carlson is all about creating an alt-narrative and doubt, especially doubt directly targeting the rule of law.

And he's about making the complicit MFs feel good about their preconceptions and alt-reality, and making lots of money off the sickness.

There is no "news" outta Carlson. It's all alt-narrative fabrication and affirmation juice for his audience. Drink the kool-aid.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by crbutler:

You have to admit that Carson did not make up video footage, he just selected less damning footage (that probably actually is typical of the vast majority of it) and that doesn’t support the 1/6 committee and the Democrat’s characterization of the events.

(That's Carlson's whole point)

The amount of the above and whether it is accurate to portray the whole event as a stain on the body politic is opinion that has been used to further political positions.

I don’t think you will get much disagreement on individuals where evidence lies as to what they did. It’s when you try and generalize that you start getting the pushback.

That's just apologist BS.

Carlson is all about creating an alt-narrative and doubt, especially doubt directly targeting the rule of law.

And he's about making the complicit MFs feel good about their preconceptions and alt-reality, and making lots of money off the sickness.

There is no "news" outta Carlson. It's all alt-narrative fabrication and affirmation juice for his audience. Drink the kool-aid.

Umm, from the other thread...

WOW, I have to say. I started reading the article linked in the above post figuring that it would be conclusive for the wrong reasons and relying on BS for support. I was pleasantly surprised to find the opposite. Then I read the whole thing, and upon first reading found nothing resembling BS. There are so many supporting facts in the article, making the inferences and conclusions credible.

In essence, restating what the article that you felt was not problematic stated.

Carlson is certainly creating an alternative narrative.

Question is, isn't the 1/6 committee creating its own "alt narrative" as well?

I'm not minimizing that there were some in the 1/6 crowd that were insurrectionists... piss poor ones, but, yes, they wanted to hold government hostage to their beliefs. The video tapes released in no way mitigate the intent of these few, or make their acts less worthy of punishment.

What it does do is point out there were neither as many of them as the committee has consistently tried to make the public believe nor did they have any serious chance of accomplishing their aims.

The nutty shaman had to be escorted into the chamber... he then did his nuttiness under the eyes of the police... and then he was removed. Sounds a lot less violent and likely to result in the overthrow of government than he forced his way into the senate chamber while the senate was ratifying the election results and disrupted the certification of the election.

Yet the factual event was the same...

You guys are the complicit ones in allowing a co opting of both government and the press to suppress your political opponents, even those who were not even there.

I don't see the committee as solely trying to suppress political opponents nor pushing a one-sided narrative. I think they were trying to get the truth out there from the facts and evidence.

There ought to be little doubt that republicans wanted to suppress the reality of it from the beginning, which is why McCarthy wanted Jordon and other far right on the committee in the first place. The two republicans that were on the committee were voted out of office by the monsters that Carlson and others helped create, and now perpetuate and are afraid of.

Carlson is clever, scary clever. Instead of running from the monster he's created, he sees more opportunity for tapping into such vast resource. And he's feeding the monster so they don't eat him alive.

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Sounds a lot less violent and likely to result in the overthrow of government than he forced his way into the senate chamber while the senate was ratifying the election results and disrupted the certification of the election.

Disrupting the ratification and certification of the election was what it was all about - was it not? And that was only part of a much bigger scheme, which many republican politicians were deep into.

Stating that the insurrectionists/rioters were inept fools, most of them relatively non-violent, is a disgusting dismissal of the big picture. There should be no doubt that Trump's plan was to stay in power by unconstitutional means. He incited the violence specifically as part of the plan to disrupt the process of transfer of power to buy more time and doubt was on his side.

Carlson's goal is a dismissal alt-narrative, and it's working through folks like you.

You can save face, and Carlson can save his job. It's a win-win for the far side.

And this is just one aspect, just the beginning of what the mass monster Carlson helped create can and will do.

If and when Trump is indicted in several on-going cases, the shit hit the fan for real will exceed all our imagination now.

Carlson and others at Fox will make millions off the mass fodder, and the ultimate damage of Trumpism will ensue.

All this BS about the Shaman is just a prelude of the farce to come. A trial run.

Feeding the hungry MEGA portends something - what?

The good, bad or ugly?

What does it mean?

I think I know what it means, but I ask open questions.

One of the crucial factors in a Fascist movement is a powerful media propaganda machine. That crucial factor is now fulfilled.

Another crucial factor is enough Fascist Fodder to make it happen, through the system. Now we know that factor has also been fulfilled.

Ironically, after it was shown that Fox News is not so much about news as it is about lies, the viewership and ratings grew a lot.

I thought conservatives were opposed to fake news?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/ente...62e68157d76900&ei=49

Fox News dominates as CNN hits weekly viewership lows not seen in nearly a decade
Story by Brian Flood • Yesterday 4:41 PM

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Okay, Doc, Carlson finally said what he was leading up to:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/n...62e68157d76900&ei=65

Tucker Carlson Says Jan. 6 Is ‘Second Only to the 2020 Election as the Biggest Scam in My Lifetime’
Story by Michael Luciano • 6h ago

One thing that makes AR great is no sponors(money). The shock and outrage displayed in this particular forum is farcical. I’m not sure when news became entertainment but you all know it is. TV news is Hollywood, Hollywood is bullshit. There’s money on the line and money to be made. Dam the truth or even attempting to find it. It’s all a shit show and has been for a long time. Money is the root of all evil. Thank you Saeed for doin it different.

I too thank Saeed. This forum is really the only place that I get to express my shock and outrage, which I definitely don't consider farcical.

Otherwise we are just a voice in the wilderness, like a tree falling in the woods and no one hears it. Does it really make a sound? Maybe/probably the thought that this forum makes a difference is farcical. But it does serve to give me an education as to the thinking of others, which I can interpolate on a broad scale and better understand the scope and implications of stuff happening out there.

Some "News" broadcasts are presented and taken as entertainment. Shows like Carlson's are claimed to be entertainment, but I really think his viewers take him serious and to heart.

Shows like PBS news hour IMO are not just entertainment, but mostly news.

Sure, the drive for money is a large part of the motivation for Fox and Carlson, Hannity, etc. But IMO there has to be more to it. For one thing "it" is harmful, yet they do "it" with lust and enthusiasm, KNOWING it's harmful.

I can't think of other examples of knowingly doing something so harmful in the media, expecting impunity, except Newsmax, Alex Jones, Steeve Bannon, etc. And I think Jones and Bannon don't even know they are harmful, even after being convicted of crimes and lost lawsuits.

Fair enough.

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You guys are the complicit ones in allowing a co opting of both government and the press to suppress your political opponents, even those who were not even there.

Hear, hear Doc!

Again the hypocrisy of the left on display for all to see!


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Originally posted by JTEX:

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You guys are the complicit ones in allowing a co opting of both government and the press to suppress your political opponents, even those who were not even there.

Hear, hear Doc!

Again the hypocrisy of the left on display for all to see!


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Interesting!!!

I saw that sentence by Doc, but didn't address it, partially because it's so loaded.

First, reaching the conclusion that us guys are complicit in allowing co-opting of govt and the press assumes we have a say in it, if in fact that's what happened. And if it did, then that happens with youse guys too. Look at the relationship of Fox with republican politicians. There was a reason McCarthy gave exclusive access to the J6 tapes. And it surly wasn't transparency.

I think you are projecting, knowing full well your own complicity and hypocrisy.

Suppress political opponents??? That smells a bit like the persecution syndrome. I think of it as exposure of truth and character, and when repugs do it, like the Jordon farce, it's to save face, provide affirmation to base, create an alt narrative and doubt. In such case, it's not to cause suppression but to wiggle out of perceived suppression (and perhaps guilt) brought about by fucking up, and truth beknown.

Those who weren't even there would be you, Doc, and millions of complicit others. Do you feel suppressed? Look no further than Fucker Carlson to make you feel better and affirmation.

And again Kabob shows his memory is even shorter than his dick.
The left media paid out millions to Sandmann for malicious characterization, when they had the full video of what happened. All for ratings to their base.
The only way to stop this from either side, is to make it so costly, it's not worth it to the companies to continue.

So it’s ok when you do it, as you have the truth on your side (in your opinion, anyhow) and your implication of malign intent to your opponents is truth and just?

I’m reluctant to imply broad based characterizations, and my use of “you” in this case was directed at the folks involved in this discussion.

I certainly don’t think all democrats (even all elected democrats) are deliberately trying to deceive or falsify the record… but some are and the unwillingness to question your own side is a major problem there.

I’m not going to say the GOP doesn’t try dirty tricks, or that alt reality (aka spin) isn’t used by them… heck, Rush Limbaugh was a master of that, even though I enjoyed listening to him, I knew that.

What gets me is those on the left refuse to see that they are playing the very same game. You often try to claim your sources are unbiased, while the other side is biased.

The truth, best as I can make it out is as long as there is a benefit, all reportage is biased. One uses one’s own filters to try and winnow the truth (as one perceives it, anyhow) and go from there.

Washington was right in the deleterious nature of political parties.

I certainly don’t think Trump’s view of 1/6 is accurate.

Neither is the 1/6 committee.

The only point that I view Carlson as valid on is the actual video evidence of minimal violence in the capitol building at the time. His other conclusions are what they are.

We saw the 1/6 committee showing significant violence in its videos, but as there was not wholesale blood in the streets, it obviously wasn’t the whole story. Similarly, the Carlson videos don’t show the rioting violence that obviously occurred on the news and such.

Therefore logic shows both sides are exaggerating for making a point. You like using logical razors. Apply them, ME.

Both sides are playing games. You may feel strongly that one is more correct than the other, but that’s opinion, and thus blanket claiming of the other side is BS is nonsense.

Do I feel suppressed? No.

Do I feel that the press and the left are in my opinion a bigger problem than the right? Yes. But I also recognize that is an opinion and that others might have a reasoned opinion elsewise. You and Mike M. I tend to disagree with, but recognize you have an opinion that is valid.

Conversely some on the right I agree with, but don’t see the logic of how they got to my conclusion, or actually disagree with how they got there… and occasionally I do say so.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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You guys are the complicit ones in allowing a co opting of both government and the press to suppress your political opponents, even those who were not even there.

Hear, hear Doc!

Again the hypocrisy of the left on display for all to see!


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Interesting!!!

I saw that sentence by Doc, but didn't address it, partially because it's so loaded.

First, reaching the conclusion that us guys are complicit in allowing co-opting of govt and the press assumes we have a say in it, if in fact that's what happened. And if it did, then that happens with youse guys too. Look at the relationship of Fox with republican politicians. There was a reason McCarthy gave exclusive access to the J6 tapes. And it surly wasn't transparency.

I think you are projecting, knowing full well your own complicity and hypocrisy.

Suppress political opponents??? That smells a bit like the persecution syndrome. I think of it as exposure of truth and character, and when repugs do it, like the Jordon farce, it's to save face, provide affirmation to base, create an alt narrative and doubt. In such case, it's not to cause suppression but to wiggle out of perceived suppression (and perhaps guilt) brought about by fucking up, and truth beknown.

Those who weren't even there would be you, Doc, and millions of complicit others. Do you feel suppressed? Look no further than Fucker Carlson to make you feel better and affirmation.

I try to not make up my mind about something when it's not solid.

Regarding Carlson, I think the recent news about the Dominion case settles it, at least for me.

There are so many clues.

For example, Trump appointed Flynn and Bannon to important staff or cabinet members. What was he thinking? We all know the answer to that.

It's all indicative of a big picture - corruption to the core. Anything that trys to whitewash that is corrupt too, IMO.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6efc2b4b31eaf2&ei=19

Steve Bannon’s 'sugar daddy' arrested by FBI
• 3h ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6efc2b4b31eaf2&ei=40

Trump’s top ‘gatekeeper’ facing legal peril on multiple fronts: report​

I know that there are many examples of corruption from the left, but IMO the danger and harm to the country is from the Right now.

And because examples from the left exist in no way diminishes the significance of what's happening on the Right.

I wish people would stop with the but look over there / what about them thing, but they won't. If that's all they have by way of argument, they don't have much.

Trump being corrupt or at least so incredibly narcissistic that he equates his personal well being with the nation is a whole lot different than the GOP or conservatives are fascists and 1/6 was the equivalent to the Beer Hall putsch.

Carlson can be right in the particular of the 1/6 committee is overstating the violence of the riot without being correct that there was no riot or no one advocated for a seditious act on 1/6.

I can state that without being a “tool” to Trump or the MAGA wing of politics.

When you stop saying things like, " I dont see the left being sued" maybe you wont get as many replies that dont follow your track. You do that often, open the door to other paths, then get pissed when someone takes it.

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When you stop saying things like, " I dont see the left being sued"

I don't recall saying that.

BTW, just in case you don't know already, I really appreciate the two of you and others arguing with me, and presenting your view.

Frankly, that's what I want. It gives me perspective. I know that I can't always be right and see this convoluted BS clearly.

Affirmation upsets me.

Good job guys, although I'm not swayed to agree.

Okay, here is more related "News":

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...3c6c1511699e68&ei=22

Steve Bannon’s Former Business Partner Guo Wengui Was Arrested and Then His $32.5 Million Apartment Caught on Fire
Story by Sarah Rumpf • 3h ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...3c6c1511699e68&ei=41

‘Put Up Or Shut Up’: Geraldo Challenges the Right On 5 Years Of Hunter Biden Investigations Uncovering ‘Nothing Remotely Criminal’
Story by Alex Griffing • 7h ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/ente...3c6c1511699e68&ei=56

Cable News Ratings Tuesday March 14: Fox & Friends at 8 A.M. Sweeps All of CNN and MSNBC
Story by Mediaite Staff • 4h ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...f2a79fb4bbf545&ei=21

FBI investigates fire where Chinese billionaire, a Bannon ally, was arrested

The other big Fox defamation case that's flying under the radar – for now
Opinion by Katie S. Phang • 10h ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...1306bfe2e16e84&ei=33

n the opening paragraph of a nearly $3 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News, we encounter this brilliant expression of the truth: “The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable.”

The above paragraph is from the New York defamation lawsuit by Smartmatic USA Corp., an election and software technology company, against Fox News, Fox Corp. and some of the network’s hosts, as well as former President Donald Trump’s personal counsel Rudy Giuliani.

That means Fox News faces two massive defamation lawsuits: one from Dominion Voting Systems and the other from Smartmatic USA. Taken together, the cases pose lethal threats to the network’s bottom line.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...1042b1a514128a&ei=94

Jen Psaki says Tucker Carlson is not ‘one of us’
Story by Graig Graziosi • Yesterday 2:18 PM

Former White House press secretary Jen Psaki – now a host on MSNBC – took a shot at Fox News' Tucker Carlson in light of court filings suggesting he doesn't believe some of the things he feeds his viewers.

“I had about 20 seconds where I thought … Tucker Carlson, maybe he’s one of us,” she said during an episode of “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert.” “And then, by second 21, I thought, wait, he is intentionally sharing disinformation with his audiences and treating them like they are stupid, frankly, so that he can save his job, save viewers and make money.”

Filings from the Dominion Voting Systems defamation case targeting Fox News showed comments from some of the network's top stars — including Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and Carlson — calling Donald Trump's claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election "crazy" and dismissing them as unserious.

The filings also revealed Carlson's apparent disdain for Mr Trump. Texts he sent suggested he was excited to stop having to cover Mr Trump, and he went so far as to say "I hate him passionately."

“I am horrified by the disinformation, but the fact that they knowingly did it, that is what I think is, in my view, the most problematic,” she said.

Less than 2 weeks ago we had a large Media Bias thread. That was what you said then. You didnt like that the left showed up needing to have their feet held to the fire also.
I can find no media without at least some bias.
I find I have to settle for "less" bias, then do research to find the whole story if I care about the topic.
No opinion media or news is worth the time.

I remember the media bias thread and have read several good articles on the topic since then.

I do not shun opinion articles, nor articles that don't disclose up-front the bias or opinion content.

I assume they all contain bias and opinion.

That's just the way it is.

Criticizing the media for one's lack of discretion and having a head full of shit is what one does instead of acknowledging that he can't sort it out.

Another clue is when one claims he only wants the facts and evidence presumably so he can sort it out for himself, and whining about the lack thereof.

Plenty of articles to read or watch that are not straight opinion pieces. You can watch all the Carlson you like and figure out what is true or false. No-one is stopping you that I know of.

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Plenty of articles to read or watch that are not straight opinion pieces. You can watch all the Carlson you like and figure out what is true or false. No-one is stopping you that I know of.

In my last post I started to say almost the exact same thing to you, but edited it out.



BTW, the "opinion" pieces that I read and take seriously are not what I call straight opinion, or just opinion. They are backed up with lots of facts and evidence and quotes, etc.

There used to be a guy on here who posted stuff from americanstinker, etc., and those articles were straight/just opinion/trash, for example.

Anyway, one doesn't have to be convinced by an opinion article any more than one is swayed herin by other's opinions, yet other's opinions have value.

45% of Fox viewers say they still trust Fox to tell the truth. That should worry anybody who is sane.

Kabob, I have a large farm. In the winter I have a logging operation too. Right now it's maple syrup season. I spend hours on snowshoes in the woods daily, checking lines, tapping tree's and so on. If it will ever warm up, I will spend nights boiling sap. I will throw 4 ft logs into a 6Ft wide arch, trying to get the cast iron doors cherry red. Then whip off the smoking leather welding jacket to pull my shirt away from my body it's so hot. Steam fills the sugarhouse, and the smell of syrup is everywhere. It's work, but also a rush!
I work 7 days a week, 365 days a year. If lucky, every few years I can get covered to go see friends in Africa or Australia and hunt and fish.
With everything I have going on, I will not spend what down time I have reading opinions or watching Madcow and Carlson.