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This is bizarre. Couldn't have starved after only six days. https://www.outdoorlife.com/su...43xNAsdNYGWxu2sEMtFw | ||
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Could be the cold?? | |||
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I dunno. It's September but maybe? Southern Colorado wouldn't have those kind of temps this time of year, I wouldn't think. It is a weird story. | |||
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Pretty bizarre. Article says they were found after a 6 day search that was begun 3 days after loss of contact. So it is possible they were out there 9 days. All of their gear reported still in the vehicle. Maybe they went out on a day scouting hike, got lost and never made it back. Dying of exposure and lack of food and water. Maybe the two guys who claimed to talk to them had something to do with it. Were their guns and binos found with the bodies? We're gonna need cause and time of death from the medical examiner.
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They said severe weather had moved in. If you get wet, and it’s windy, it doesn’t need to be super cold to cause hypothermia. There is more to this than the story says. | |||
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"Severe weather moved in over the weekend, raising concerns about their survival in the rugged area." - from the OP article. I bet they died of hypothermia after getting lost. Gets cold in those mountains at night this time of year. | |||
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We’ve had lows in the 40s here in the Denver area so it’s not unusual for the higher elevations to get well below freezing this time of year. GMU81 is very diverse in regard to terrain and elevation so depending on where they were in 81, could easily be exposure that killed them. | |||
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You can die of hypothermia in sixty degree weather, especially if you get wet or are exposed to it for long. | |||
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praying for the family is only what is remaining for now. | |||
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Aleady been mentioned above. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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Wouldn't be the first time wetness combined with high winds produced fatal hypothermia. When the horse has been eliminated, human life may be extended an average of five or more years. James R. Doolitle I think they've been misunderstood. Timothy Tredwell | |||
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What "more to it" do you think there is? Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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| one of us |
Got caught in thunderstorm near Kamas Lake one year, two miles from the truck. I was so happy to see hail, meant we would not get soaked. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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As I recall, the news report said their backpacks and other gear was still in their vehicle. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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The fact their gear was in their truck, whether they had gotten hurt or injured or lost all will play in. Frankly, I don’t get leaving your gear in the truck if you are going out of sight of the truck. While I haven’t hunted Colorado, in Alaska, Wyoming, and Montana I don’t go without extra ammo, communication equipment, rain gear, and fire making supplies. | |||
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The fact that the gear was in the truck makes this bizarre. Some of the highest and roughest terrain in the US and for sure the lower 48 lies in southern Colorado. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I have a suspicion that they left the trailhead and decided to walk out and try a little pre hunt Colorado hospitality and maybe ended up with some fentanyl. This is so weird on a number of levels. | |||
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Maybe they went scouting and got lost. It's all speculation at this point. | |||
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I hate cold, which is why I hunt in Africa. | |||
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Where have you hunted in Alaska, Dr. Butler? | |||
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That is the only logical explanation I have seen. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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| One of Us |
It's a logical explanation that two young experienced elk hunters OD'd on fentanyl on an elk hunt? | |||
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| One of Us |
I hunted that country when I was there age. And, I hunted it with an equally experienced friend. No matter how bad the weather…barring an accident we would have made it back to our truck. If one of us got hurt, we would have gotten the other to a sheltered place, built them a fire, and gone to the truck for help. Experienced 20+ year old woodsmen don’t just die in the woods…especially both. But in today’s world they do partake of dope. They might have been short of money and bought some cheap weed. That cheap weed in today’s world could easily have been laced with fentanyl. The only other plausible explanation I can think of is altitude sickness that led to exposure. So yes, in CO where you can buy weed everywhere, combined with the prevalence of cheap weed being laced with fentanyl, I think it a logical explanation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Experience lf hunters die of hyperthermia every year. You are taking out your ass inferring drug use. | |||
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The benevolent Little Lord of Louisville once again demonstrates his inability to engage in civil discourse. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Sure, all the drug dealers I know throw some fentanyl into the "cheap weed" they are selling. Especially the weed that you buy at the dispensaries in Colorado, where weed is legal.  I think you're the one on fentanyl with that bizarre explanation. | |||
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Like that weird story here about a truck driver who left his rig in the middle of a country road and walked off a few hundred yards into a field. Took months before someone found him. Turns out his death was drug related. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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Well, maybe Lane knows what he is talking about....there's a first time for everything. I had a case once where a cement truck driver working a night-pour wandered off into a field to smoke some reefer while his truck was queued up and he fell into a drainage ditch and drowned. | |||
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It was actually CO resident Huvius's idea...I just said I could see that after my last trip to CO and the prevalence of fentanyl. They didn't just walk off and die. Always an explanation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Togiak for Brown Bear and north of Fairbanks for Moose. | |||
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Well, it IS Fox, but they did make a comment on their article that these guys had a satellite communication device and it was not working- whether that was a satellite phone or GPS was pretty vague. Sounds like they got lost after depending on tech in bad weather. I still say going out of sight of your means of survival is foolish. | |||
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We'll see what the ME finds. Not related, but a gent in Wyoming was dragging a mulie downhill, tripped and was impaled by an antler and ended up bleeding out. All kinds of ways to die. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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I read that one of them called his wife on the sat phone a few days before they went missing. And, they told some other hunter at the trail head that they had seen a moose and were going out after it. https://nypost.com/2025/09/22/...ch-for-missing-pair/ Anyway, the autopsies are happening today so we should now about toxicology in a few weeks. | |||
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Were you successful? In 42 years in that state, I did a lot of moose hunting but never went after bear. | |||
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Yes, it was my suspicion anyway. These men, one from a state where marijuana is illegal and one from where it’s medicinal only could have simply got a lot higher than they expected even without fentanyl. Legal pot here is NOT the same as you all tried in high school and college. That, and psychedelic mushrooms are legal here too. I could see either as plausible - either fentanyl death or incapacitating drug intoxication that led to death by exposure. Colorado has nearly 2000 unintentional drug overdose deaths per year so it’s not exactly unheard of. Otherwise healthy, experienced men rarely just die. | |||
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On both. Of course as an out of stater I had to have a guide. I think I posted the hunt here years ago. I was there in 2010. | |||
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The mention of substantial storm activity makes death by hypothermia or lightning both plausible. Seeing as there was mention in one of the linked articles in this thread, of them changing out of wet clothing at some point, I'm leaning towards a lightning event. Especially if they were glassing from a high point off of metal or graphite tripods. It just doesn't make sense to me that they would head back out AGAIN without rain gear, having just been doused, and leave themselves open to hypothermia. . LONG LIVE FREE SPEECH! | |||
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| One of Us |
Doesn't sound much like moose territory to me. So they went scouting with the idea of not pursuing anything they might see, but changed their minds when they saw a nice bull elk? Possible I suppose. Also why would you not carry one of those GPS units that can help take you back to a starting point? they'd really have been in a pickle if the'd have followed the elk 2 more miles, killed it and said oh shit we're lost. really oddthat it took out both of them. I wonder about altitude sickess also. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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Altitude sickness is usually above 12-15000 feet. So while a mountain climber might get it, a couple hunters usually not. To be honest, I never considered drug use. I still think it was a couple of guys getting lost when they wandered too far, and then a storm getting them wet and hypothermia as the most likely cause. | |||
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