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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
What you voted for, Steve, is consistent with Rightist fixation fantasy with incompetent celebrities, and the incompetence they brew, and validation of a bunch of strategic lies, and of course fear, failure to sort truth from fiction, and carta blanche to a criminal to commit more crimes with immunity.

And you are claiming that you voted for greatness!!!

The real decline in the country is the fomenting and exploiting the belief system that got Trump elected.

How is it possible to achieve "greatness" in its positive meaning, with the voluntary transition through vote to an authoritarian form of Govt, supplanting the Founder's Gift. What you did was morph the "Gift" into grift.

Let's see....Obfuscation, and Straw Man arguments. Not addressing the specifics of my voting decision, rather just the "feeling" it was wrong.

Go ahead, pick apart my individual positions.

You summed your post nicely. "American greatness won, A declining America lost."

If addressing your summary conclusion is Straw Man, then the conclusion is as well.

How about you addressing the specifics within my post?

If you need me to define American Greatness, there is no point in continuing.

Do you subscribe to American exceptionalism.?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
What you voted for, Steve, is consistent with Rightist fixation fantasy with incompetent celebrities, and the incompetence they brew, and validation of a bunch of strategic lies, and of course fear, failure to sort truth from fiction, and carta blanche to a criminal to commit more crimes with immunity.

And you are claiming that you voted for greatness!!!

The real decline in the country is the fomenting and exploiting the belief system that got Trump elected.

How is it possible to achieve "greatness" in its positive meaning, with the voluntary transition through vote to an authoritarian form of Govt, supplanting the Founder's Gift. What you did was morph the "Gift" into grift.

Let's see....Obfuscation, and Straw Man arguments. Not addressing the specifics of my voting decision, rather just the "feeling" it was wrong.

Go ahead, pick apart my individual positions.

You summed your post nicely. "American greatness won, A declining America lost."

If addressing your summary conclusion is Straw Man, then the conclusion is as well.

How about you addressing the specifics within my post?

If you need me to define American Greatness, there is no point in continuing.

Do you subscribe to American exceptionalism.?

I can guess what your definition of "American Greatness" is by the simple method of looking at the means you justify for the outcomes you fantasize.

"Subscribe"? Which perverted ideological version of American Exceptionalism? If I "subscribe" to anything, it is what it is, the least tainted by ideological fever. There are many ways the USA is exceptional in the scheme of things and history, present and future. When the ideology leads to righteous superiority and imposition thereof, that's beyond "is what it is" into forcing.

By asking that question, I assume that you are forcing the acceptable answer towards your vision which includes superiority.

In my view, every individual is exceptional.

Anyway, the whole concept is complicated with various opinions and worldviews and ideology. In my view it's organic - fruit arising from intellect and liberal good will. My estimate of your view and that of Trumpsters is sort of like a GMO (genetically modified organism), producing illiberal fruit replicating like an invasive species.

This is a long article. Do you have the attention span for it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
What you voted for, Steve, is consistent with Rightist fixation fantasy with incompetent celebrities, and the incompetence they brew, and validation of a bunch of strategic lies, and of course fear, failure to sort truth from fiction, and carta blanche to a criminal to commit more crimes with immunity.

And you are claiming that you voted for greatness!!!

The real decline in the country is the fomenting and exploiting the belief system that got Trump elected.

How is it possible to achieve "greatness" in its positive meaning, with the voluntary transition through vote to an authoritarian form of Govt, supplanting the Founder's Gift. What you did was morph the "Gift" into grift.

Let's see....Obfuscation, and Straw Man arguments. Not addressing the specifics of my voting decision, rather just the "feeling" it was wrong.

Go ahead, pick apart my individual positions.

You summed your post nicely. "American greatness won, A declining America lost."

If addressing your summary conclusion is Straw Man, then the conclusion is as well.

How about you addressing the specifics within my post?

If you need me to define American Greatness, there is no point in continuing.

Do you subscribe to American exceptionalism.?

I can guess what your definition of "American Greatness" is by the simple method of looking at the means you justify for the outcomes you fantasize.

"Subscribe"? Which perverted ideological version of American Exceptionalism? If I "subscribe" to anything, it is what it is, the least tainted by ideological fever. There are many ways the USA is exceptional in the scheme of things and history, present and future. When the ideology leads to righteous superiority and imposition thereof, that's beyond "is what it is" into forcing.

By asking that question, I assume that you are forcing the acceptable answer towards your vision which includes superiority.

In my view, every individual is exceptional, and all are created equal in that respect.

Anyway, the whole concept is complicated with various opinions and worldviews and ideology. In my view it's organic - fruit arising from intellect and liberal good will. My estimate of your view and that of Trumpsters is sort of like a GMO (genetically modified organism), producing illiberal fruit replicating like an invasive species.

This is a long article. Do you have the attention span for it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

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In my view, every individual is exceptional, and all are created equal in that respect.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

Your preconceived notion of who and what I am, I find amusing.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
If opposing Trump and Trumpism is radical,

then I'm radical.

100%

The ironic thing is that all along the opposition to rising Trumpism has been through respect for and reliance on the rule of law, and constitution abidance.

Total^^^BS

It's clear to see how that worked out, so far.

Because 100% of your rational is false premise.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
What you voted for, Steve, is consistent with Rightist fixation fantasy with incompetent celebrities, and the incompetence they brew, and validation of a bunch of strategic lies, and of course fear, failure to sort truth from fiction, and carta blanche to a criminal to commit more crimes with immunity.

And you are claiming that you voted for greatness!!!

The real decline in the country is the fomenting and exploiting the belief system that got Trump elected.

How is it possible to achieve "greatness" in its positive meaning, with the voluntary transition through vote to an authoritarian form of Govt, supplanting the Founder's Gift. What you did was morph the "Gift" into grift.

Let's see....Obfuscation, and Straw Man arguments. Not addressing the specifics of my voting decision, rather just the "feeling" it was wrong.

Go ahead, pick apart my individual positions.

You summed your post nicely. "American greatness won, A declining America lost."

If addressing your summary conclusion is Straw Man, then the conclusion is as well.

How about you addressing the specifics within my post?

If you need me to define American Greatness, there is no point in continuing.

Do you subscribe to American exceptionalism.?

I can guess what your definition of "American Greatness" is by the simple method of looking at the means you justify for the outcomes you fantasize.

"Subscribe"? Which perverted ideological version of American Exceptionalism? If I "subscribe" to anything, it is what it is, the least tainted by ideological fever. There are many ways the USA is exceptional in the scheme of things and history, present and future. When the ideology leads to righteous superiority and imposition thereof, that's beyond "is what it is" into forcing.

By asking that question, I assume that you are forcing the acceptable answer towards your vision which includes superiority.

In my view, every individual is exceptional.

Anyway, the whole concept is complicated with various opinions and worldviews and ideology. In my view it's organic - fruit arising from intellect and liberal good will. My estimate of your view and that of Trumpsters is sort of like a GMO (genetically modified organism), producing illiberal fruit replicating like an invasive species.

This is a long article. Do you have the attention span for it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

Your preconceived notion of who and what I am, I find amusing. An uneducated rube in a wife beater, drinking Coors, while the wifey stays pregnant while doing meth.

AKA; A smelly Walmart shopper.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

Your preconceived notion of who and what I am, I find amusing. An uneducated rube in a wife beater, drinking Coors, while the wifey stays pregnant while doing meth.

AKA; A smelly Walmart shopper.

If he only really knew!

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

Your preconceived notion of who and what I am, I find amusing. An uneducated rube in a wife beater, drinking Coors, while the wifey stays pregnant while doing meth.

AKA; A smelly Walmart shopper.

If he only really knew!

"Really knew"???

What I don't really know is whether his second sentence is projecting his preconceived notion of who I think he is, or some kind of inferiority thing. That's why I left it out of my previous quote/post. I don't want to presume what he meant, as you did.

Anyway:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...e053355d8c20cd&ei=15

We Know Who’s to Blame for Trump’s Evasion of Justice. It Isn’t Jack Smith.

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Have I ever made any assertions as to who you are and what makes you see things the way you do?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Have I ever made any assertions as to who you are and what makes you see things the way you do?

Yeah, Ace, you just did. See your prior paragraph.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Trump gambled bigly, and it paid off. His only chance of avoiding prosecution was to be President again. He got the nomination without even showing up and he won the election. The Democrats doubled down on their strategy of discrediting him in the courts. Their strategy failed. It failed because they didn't listen when people tried to explain how cults work. Nothing Donald Trump did could cause his followers to abandon him. On the other hand, it was easy to spin the prosecution to make it look like persecution. So, Trump gets a pass, whether or not he was guilty of anything. He wins, the Democrats lose. It remains to be seen how Amerca comes out. Regards, Bill.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Trump gambled bigly, and it paid off. His only chance of avoiding prosecution was to be President again. He got the nomination without even showing up and he won the election. The Democrats doubled down on their strategy of discrediting him in the courts. Their strategy failed. It failed because they didn't listen when people tried to explain how cults work. Nothing Donald Trump did could cause his followers to abandon him. On the other hand, it was easy to spin the prosecution to make it look like persecution. So, Trump gets a pass, whether or not he was guilty of anything. He wins, the Democrats lose. It remains to be seen how Amerca comes out. Regards, Bill.

That's an interesting narrative, Bill.

Here's a slightly different version:

Trump was boxed in by his own behavior. His only get out of jail pass was to do what he does best, play his demagogue act and win the WH again. It paid off bigly. Those who saw the rule of law as the remedy for Trump's lawless attack on it and the nation's institutions failed to appreciate the power of an ideological cult and how it works. Spinning legitimate prosecution into persecution of Dear Leader, and thus them, is predictable. The rule of law lost to weaponized spin and lawfare. Given those apparent facts, what exists that would suggest that formula wouldn't sustain or reinforce the outcome indefinitely?

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Trump will be the 47th president

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"will of the people"

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I remember reading your post elsewhere about how your lifestyle and family values influenced someone working in your home, who was a liberal, to change their mind about something, perhaps your ideology.

I thought about that post. That's why I remember it.

I didn't reply or comment, and as I recall no one else did either.

I suppose there isn't much to say. I'm neutral about it maybe. I have no reason to think that your life and others in your life and values are anything but wholesome.

So when I criticize you it's exclusively your political views, not you personally.

I do think you are unnecessarily sensitive.

And BTW, I am confident about my ability to decipher right from wrong. And I'm willing to be shown when I'm wrong about something. I don't think it's about intellect. I also think I can "read" a person pretty good from their choices of words and tone. That's all we have herein and that's the blessing and the way I want to keep it, as far as my participation. You say that you think I'm not really interested in getting to know someone herein. You are correct. It's all about ideas to me. I'm interested in your ideas. I can know all I want to know about you or anyone herein from their ideas and self-expressions in words and maybe a little about their lifestyle. IMO, this ARPF is not the place for personal relationships and buddyships.

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"However, your pontificating certain things about me, simply tell me you're a judgmental individual"

This is what you call "pontificating".

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"What I don't really know is whether his second sentence is projecting his preconceived notion of who I think he is, or some kind of inferiority thing."

I simply said I didn't know what or where that is coming from, so you must have made it up with whatever is in your head. I didn't say it or imply it, so it's all yours.

BTW, I remember back when you first started posting in the ARPF. You got yourself all offended over some insult or name calling as I recall, not from me. And some herein teased you a lot. You may recall that I joined in with the desensitizing.

I asked if you would like some cheese with that whine. And posted this video for emphasis:

https://youtu.be/fq0VpPVrMZA?si=_S2V_j59F6cSJv4F

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
So don't mistake my avoidance with sensitivities .

You post with an articulate manner that uses some nuggets of truth mixed in with " reductio ad absurdum " to make what I said, no what was actually said or meant. Taking any little thing you can, out of context.

example. "getting to know someone" you seem to thin I want to be your pal. Buddyism I think was your word.

Another on how I mean " getting to know "- LHeym misspells words in many posts. So what? I'm sure he is typing fast, on a phone. I ALWAYS can figure out what he means, without calling him out or badgering him over it. If I never took the time to understand that, one might make fun of him as illiterate. I know he is not.

What was obviously meant was getting to know a posters style and understand how they post and what they mean. I literally have no shits to give about being buddies with you or anyone else in the ARPF.

Yes, I avoid conflict in here. Why? Because it leads nowhere. You call it being offended. It isn't, it's not understanding why your side can't seem to make a point without calling somebody an expletive. I was called a cocksucker, a liar and stupid. So what are my choices? call out the language and go looking for a fight? That's ridiculous. But your style of trolling makes somebody want to respond, again reductio ad absurdum.

Somebody in here called Dogcat a Cunt. That poster is probably in the top 2-3 respected members on this forum. Its foul and uncalled for. Offended? not really. I made my living in Mines, around Drill rigs and in oil fields. That's a rough bunch. It just rude and unnecessary.

Flame away .