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yeah, he said that in a post --

let's seem him say it to FBI agents in an "interview" ..

how can the man that headed the FBI AND freed killary say he didn't know what "86" meant? it's not like he's a millennial lawyer


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eigh·ty-six
/ˌādēˈsiks/
verbINFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
verb: 86
1.
eject or bar (someone) from a restaurant, bar, etc.
"they were accused of cheating, and eighty-sixed from their favorite casino"
2.
reject, discard, or cancel.
"the passwords will be 86ed by next October"
 
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I can not believe the god damned stupidity of cult followers.
 
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I'm sure he also says he didn't contribute to HRC getting defeated in 2016 either.

IMO, he's just not astute. Poor guy, he's just too fixated on doing the right thing.


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Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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I did not know it. I’ll take your word for it.
 
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His announcement of opening an investigation on her server BS turned the tide at a crucial point.

Soon, he declared nothingburger, but too late.

There couldn't have been a more devastating October Surprise if Trump fomented it himself.

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AI Overview

James Comey, then-director of the FBI, made several key announcements regarding the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server during her time as Secretary of State.

Here's a breakdown:

1. July 5, 2016: Recommendation Against Charges
Comey announced that the FBI was recommending that the Justice Department not bring criminal charges against Hillary Clinton related to her handling of classified information on the private server.

He stated that while there was no evidence of intentional wrongdoing, Clinton and her staff had been "extremely careless" in their handling of sensitive, classified information.

Comey also noted the possibility that hostile actors could have potentially gained access to the server, a concern that was raised during the investigation.

2. October 28, 2016: Reopening the Investigation
Just days before the 2016 presidential election, Comey sent a letter to Congress announcing that the FBI was reopening the investigation.

This decision was based on newly discovered emails that were found on a device belonging to Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of Huma Abedin, a top Clinton aide.

This action stirred significant controversy and drew criticism from both sides of the political spectrum.

3. November 6, 2016: Closing the Investigation Again

Two days before the election, Comey sent another letter to Congress stating that the FBI had reviewed the newly discovered emails and had found no evidence to change their previous recommendation against charges.

This second announcement came after a very brief review of the new emails.

Important Note:

While the Justice Department's Inspector General later criticized Comey's decision to announce the reopening of the investigation so close to the election, the report concluded that there was no evidence of political bias on Comey's part.


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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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I can not believe the god damned stupidity of cult followers.


I can, I have come to expect it.
 
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IMO, it's not stupidity but something far worse.


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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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For someone who claims he’s not a trump supporter, he supports the hell out of trump. I hope the dumb bastard (trump) chokes to death on a big mac.
 
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eigh·ty-six
/ˌādēˈsiks/
verbINFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
verb: 86
1.
eject or bar (someone) from a restaurant, bar, etc.
"they were accused of cheating, and eighty-sixed from their favorite casino"
2.
reject, discard, or cancel.
"the passwords will be 86ed by next October"

"Creative cutting" is such a cute form on intellectual honesty

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In slang, particularly in restaurants and bars, "86" means to refuse service to someone or to eliminate something from availability. It can also be used more broadly to mean "get rid of" or "throw out". The term "86" can also be used in law enforcement or military slang to mean "eliminate" or "kill".
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Restaurant/Bar: An item is "86" when it's sold out or no longer available. A customer might be "86"d if they are banned from the establishment.
General Slang: "86" can mean to reject, discard, or refuse service to someone or something.
Law Enforcement/Military: In this context, it means to remove, eliminate, or kill someone.
The origins of the term "86" are


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You should have scrolled down further.

"According to Cassell's Dictionary of Slang, "to 86" also means "to kill, to murder; to execute judicially," likely referring to the size of a standard grave being 2.5 feet wide by 8 feet long and 6 feet deep.[8][9] Other slang dictionaries confirm this definition."


Lighter, Jonathan E.; House (Firm), Random (1994). Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang: H-O. Random House. ISBN 978-0-679-43464-1. Archived from the original on October 30, 2020. Retrieved October 20, 2020.
Dalzell, Tom; Victor, Terry (June 26, 2015). The New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-317-37251-6. Eighty-six to kill US, 1991
Hendrickson, Robert (2008). The Facts on File Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins. Facts on File. ISBN 978-0-8160-6966-8. Eighty-six. To murder someone or put an end to something, [...] The expression derives from the restaurant waiter slang term eighty-six, which, among other things, means to "deny an unwelcome customer service" or to "cancel an order" ("Eighty-six the eggs!"), [...]

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eigh·ty-six
/ˌādēˈsiks/
verbINFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
verb: 86
1.
eject or bar (someone) from a restaurant, bar, etc.
"they were accused of cheating, and eighty-sixed from their favorite casino"
2.
reject, discard, or cancel.
"the passwords will be 86ed by next October"
 
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So, why assume the worst intent?


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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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I can not believe the god damned stupidity of cult followers.


Me either! But you are showing it proudly.....it seems....
 
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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:
I can not believe the god damned stupidity of cult followers.


I can, I have come to expect it.


You also prove it regularly......
 
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"What's good for the goose, is good for the gander."

How does it feel when your side gets slammed? Now you know how all of your negative presumptive diatribe comes across. Good intent, please spare me.

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So, why assume the worst intent?
 
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Well, one thing for sure - if Comey had intent that Trump approved of, he wouldn't have fired him.


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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:
I can not believe the god damned stupidity of cult followers.


I can, I have come to expect it.


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For someone who claims he’s not a trump supporter, he supports the hell out of trump. I hope the dumb bastard (trump) chokes to death on a big mac.


I have been hoping it is a bag of dicks that he chokes on myself.
 
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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:
I can not believe the god damned stupidity of cult followers.


I can, I have come to expect it.


You also prove it regularly......


Cult members like yourself struggle to understand why those of us who remain sane have not chosen to follow your dear leader. There is help for you if you choose to seek it Yakob.
 
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yeah, he said that in a post --

let's seem him say it to FBI agents in an "interview" ..

how can the man that headed the FBI AND freed killary say he didn't know what "86" meant? it's not like he's a millennial lawyer


I'm old as dirt and I've never thought that to 86 something meant to kill it. Common useage means to reject or get rid of it.

Does anybody really think that the former head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation would be advocating for the murder of the POTUS on social media?

Get a grip folks. This is much ado about nothing.



 
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Comey's own words, from the replacement post

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"I posted earlier a picture of some shells I saw today on a beach walk, which I assumed were a political message," the subsequent post from Comey said.


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I don't equate a political message with violence, do any of you?
 
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A political message can be violent. That is a no brainer.

From Lenin 1918:

The dictatorship of the proletariat stands for the use of force against the exploiters. Our road is through endurance, proletarian solidarity, and the iron dictatorship of the working people. There is no doubt that in many cases the Soviet government has not displayed sufficient determination in the struggle against counter-revolution, and in this respect it has had the appearance not of iron, but of jelly, from which socialism cannot be built. We have not conquered petty-bourgeois anarchy. This country, which the course of history has advanced to the foremost position in the arena of the world revolution, a country devastated and bled white, is in an extremely grave situation and we shall be crushed if we do not counter ruin, disorganisation and despair with the iron dictatorship of the class-conscious workers. We shall be merciless both to our enemies and to all waverers and harmful elements in our midst who dare to bring disorganisation into our difficult creative work of building a new life for the working people.
We have begun to solve a problem the mastery of which will bring the full guarantee and consolidation of socialism. To overcome all difficulties, to struggle successfully against famine and unemployment, we shall perform an imperceptible, modest but difficult task of state importance, and anyone who opposes us will be a bitter enemy of the world proletariat.

Now, if Jeff has posted Comey’s full comment in his original post, I would have understood the context of 86. Comey had no business using that language.
 
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Sure, a political message can be violent, but the vast majority of them are not.

I have zero problem with someone saying that Trump needs to be 86'd, I took it as he meant the 25th A. Trump sure seems unfit for office. I guess you could interpret as a call for violence but that is certainly not the only way to look at it.

The turd needs to be flushed, legally and not through violence. That much should be obvious to even the most casual observer.
 
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Well, language from our most powerful Federal Cop, FBI Director matters.

Comer is a highly skilled, trained attorney who carried immense weight to his words and decisions he knows this. Government officials cannot afford to use colloquial manage and imagery of death to political opponents. Comey did.

If Comey meant to infer that President Trump needed removed by the w Amendment, he should have said, “Trump needs 25th Amendment.”

You and I agree that Trump needs to be gone. However, that need does not extend to justifying any means to that removal.

Otherwise, we are no better than Trump, Jan 6, and most of the Texas Contingent. The means matter. Those who call for such things have an obligation to the people, the listener, the nation, and the law to explain the means anchored in the long standing and recognized constitutional principles. Exotic and never tested crack pot theories like decertification of electors or using clauses that have never been applied to remove a candidate for nomination for president need not apply. This is because such theories of law that seek to undue the sovereign people’s will are not recomposed in our process. When folks would seek to override the choices of the sovereign people the constitutional support must well reasoned and long tested.

Thus, had Comey, FBI Director and former Asst. AG a lawyer trained in our best schools, wanted to make an argument that President Trunk needed removed from power, Comey is required to make that argument clearly, anchored in law. Such, lazy invitations of violent colloquial langue coming from him is dangerous, stupid, and no better than those who he is speaking against.

I do not believe for a second that Comey when he used the phrase 86 in this context, he did not know 86 meant to kill, permanently remove a physical being bottom this earth against that being’s will.
 
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It was a picture on Instagram. I'm not seeing the need to write out in seashells that Trump requires the 25thA nor am I seeing the picture as a call for violence. I agree(see my above post) that violence is not the answer to Trump or Trumpism. I think the seashell pic and Springsteen's comments are both being blown well out of proportion to keep the right fired up.

We will have to disagree on Comey's intent, I just don't see that guy calling for Trump to be killed.
 
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Again, use the correct the correct language , “President Trump should be 25th A.”

That does not excuse Comey’s responsibility nor his behavior.
 
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You sure you don't mean that these comments are needed to keep the rank and file democrats fired up?

Summer is coming, and people are getting burned out on the politics. The left is claiming larger and larger effects of Trump and his decisions, yet really he is getting his acts trimmed by the courts and I don't see the government actually ignoring the courts. Appealing? yes. Making juvenile statements? yes.

Its beginning to look like what happens when the GOP types get all bent out of shape when a liberal is in office... lots of thunder and lightning, but no rain. The people just become more apathetic about politics.

The vast majority of Americans don't really endorse the pro Palestinian stuff or, for that matter, protecting illegal immigrants. They may have some concern about Trump overstepping his bounds, and will revisit the issue come November, but right now?

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It was a picture on Instagram. I'm not seeing the need to write out in seashells that Trump requires the 25thA nor am I seeing the picture as a call for violence. I agree(see my above post) that violence is not the answer to Trump or Trumpism. I think the seashell pic and Springsteen's comments are both being blown well out of proportion to keep the right fired up.

We will have to disagree on Comey's intent, I just don't see that guy calling for Trump to be killed.
 
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Most Americans do care when the Executive refuses and tries to destroy due process. GOP toekhalls has shown us that.

Your assertions are not supported.
 
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All this time I thought that to “86” something just meant to throw it away, to get rid of something. You know, like dump Trump….. Now all of sudden it means assassination. coffee Eeker


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Comey seemed to me to be a good man who was out of his depth and lacked some common sense- then couldnt work out where he'd gone wrong.

And by wrong I think he tried to follow the letter of the law and appear impartial and really interfered.

This latest thing, well it's just dumb! On two counts.
Dumb for a man in his position to get political in that sort of silly way.

also Dumb for his opponents to make such a huge hew and cry about a trivial thing.

Politics now seems to be all about the boy who cried wolf.
 
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Most Americans do care when the Executive refuses and tries to destroy due process. GOP toekhalls has shown us that.

Your assertions are not supported.


And yours are?
 
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It was a picture on Instagram. I'm not seeing the need to write out in seashells that Trump requires the 25thA nor am I seeing the picture as a call for violence. I agree(see my above post) that violence is not the answer to Trump or Trumpism. I think the seashell pic and Springsteen's comments are both being blown well out of proportion to keep the right fired up.

We will have to disagree on Comey's intent, I just don't see that guy calling for Trump to be killed.


And no one said comey did. This post is about lying about knowing the meaning

But if you want to see a 25a issue, 5ish hours of Hur recordings have been released. Enjoy


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My wife calls Comey "Howdy Doody", a bumbling doofus. In Comey's case, a malevolent bumbling doofus. Anyone with half a brain knows what he inferred. The problem is most Democrats don't have half a brain. The same goes for Biden. He was an assisted living poster boy when he ran the first time. This was obvious. It only got worse. Now the Democrats cry "I'm shocked, there is gambling going on here". Spare me.
 
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So dump Trump, 86, assassination are all the same? Damn, thanks for the enlightenment….. tu2


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So dump Trump, 86, assassination are all the same? Damn, thanks for the enlightenment….. tu2


those are your words, sir - if you choose to keep that, i have no say


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Again, use the correct the correct language , “President Trump should be 25th A.”

That does not excuse Comey’s responsibility nor his behavior.


I haven't seen anything that says Comey put that together, just took a picture. To be fair 8+6+4+7 equals 25
 
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So dump Trump, 86, assassination are all the same? Damn, thanks for the enlightenment….. tu2


those are your words, sir - if you choose to keep that, i have no say


Actually those were your words on your tag line till you drank the orange koolaid and deleted them.


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All this time I thought that to “86” something just meant to throw it away, to get rid of something. You know, like dump Trump….. Now all of sudden it means assassination. coffee Eeker


Yep. Just like everybody else.



 
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