And our military cannot achieve recruiting goals- and the vaxx mandate is a big part of the reason.

People should be allowed a choice but they must also be informed what all of the risks like every other medication or treatment out there.
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Fauci is singing a different song on vaccine mandates

Story by Jon Miltimore • 21h

New data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show COVID-19 cases are again rising in some parts of the country.

The CDC’s map indicates that several states are experiencing a “substantial increase” in cases (more than 20%), including Texas, New Mexico, Kansas, and Nebraska, which saw a 57.3% spike from the previous week.

The local surges in COVID are a reminder that although the pandemic is over for many of us mentally, the virus continues to take its toll. Throughout September and October, more than a hundred Americans died every day from COVID on average, according to statistics. And history suggests those numbers will increase sharply during the winter months of January and February.

Despite this, there is little talk of reinstating the various draconian measures the government used to enforce compliance from 2020 to 2022. Indeed, even Dr. Anthony Fauci is singing a different tune.

Fauci, the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, is now a professor at Georgetown University. But the man who was the architect of the government's pandemic response still occasionally moonlights as a pundit on the television circuit, and in recent months, Fauci’s policy prescriptions have taken a stark turn.

While speaking to ABC’s Jonathan Karl on This Week earlier this fall, Fauci was asked who should be taking the new COVID booster.

“I believe we should give the choice to people that are not in the high-risk groups, to have the vaccine available for them," Fauci replied.

Choice is the key word here. It’s a stark contrast to Fauci’s previous support of the White House’s vaccine mandate that required private companies to demand vaccination as a condition of employment.

“We know that mandates work,” Fauci told Wolf Blitzer in October 2021. “So, although you’d like people to do it on their own accord, sometimes mandates actually can help in that regard.”

Fauci’s new position isn’t just that low-risk people should get to choose, however, as his statement might imply. Fauci would subsequently imply that even high-risk people should be given a choice.

“Make [the vaccine] available to everyone, but certainly recommend it to high-risk people,” Fauci told Karl.

It’s a stunning reversal. Fauci is now using words such as “choice” and “recommend” in relation to vaccines — even for high-risk people. Talking points about the efficacy of mandates have vanished (including mask mandates).

Now, one could argue that much has changed since 2021, and there’s truth to this. We know a lot more today than we did in 2021, including the fact that the vaccines don’t do what government officials initially said they would.

“You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” President Joe Biden said in July 2021.

“Our data from the CDC today suggest that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, you don’t get sick,” then-CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said.

These claims were untrue.

The vaccines don’t prevent COVID infection or transmission. And while they can reduce the risk of hospitalization and death from COVID, they do come with risks, including death — which is why the Department of Health and Human Services is hiring a slew of attorneys to defend itself from the flood of legal cases filed by those who say they were injured by the vaccines.

All of this, as well as a series of legal defeats of various vaccine mandates, helps explain why Fauci is suddenly a proponent of allowing people to choose whether to get vaccinated. But the single biggest reason for Fauci’s reversal is almost certainly this: The politics of vaccination have changed.

For a very long time, people were willing to march along with endless government mandates and mitigation strategies, many of which were not just ethically dubious but patently nonsensical, largely out of fear.

Those days are gone. The terror over COVID is over, and trust in public health has collapsed, which is undoubtedly part of why just 3.5% of people had received the new COVID shot as of last month.

To be clear, this should not be taken as evidence that COVID vaccines are good or bad. That’s the wrong question.

“The most basic question is not what is best, but who shall decide what is best,” the economist Thomas Sowell has observed.

The fact that Fauci is no longer presuming he should get to decide for people what they must put into their bodies is a very good thing. It’s just a shame it took him so long.

Jon Miltimore is editor-at-large at the Foundation for Economic Education.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...mandates/ar-AA1keM5f

Can someone tell me if the military mandates an annual flu vaccination?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Can someone tell me if the military mandates an annual flu vaccination?

No. It’s up to the soldier’s discretion. Readiness means nothing, you fucking dumbass.

The military mandates all kinds of vaccines; even flu vaccines.

This is a non-conversation.

If the military needed to swell the ranks in a time of war, they would dress, and folks would get vacations.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The military mandates all kinds of vaccines; even flu vaccines.

This is a non-conversation.

If the military needed to swell the ranks in a time of war, they would dress, and folks would get vacations.

Can I join the military and get a vacation?

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Can someone tell me if the military mandates an annual flu vaccination?

No. It’s up to the soldier’s discretion. Readiness means nothing, you fucking dumbass.

LDO

It was a simple question. If they do mandate flu vaccination…makes sense to me.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Can someone tell me if the military mandates an annual flu vaccination?

No. It’s up to the soldier’s discretion. Readiness means nothing, you fucking dumbass.

LDO

It was a simple question. If they do mandate flu vaccination…makes sense to me.

The vaccine requirements vary, but all servicemembers get the flu vaccine.

The typhoid fever vaccine is only required of those deployed where it's a risk.

Updating vaccines is a standard part of pre-deployment preparation; those subject to very short or no-notice deployment get 17, including rabies.

Thats for sure jeffi. You walk through the line with your shirt off, getting shots everywhere they can find a spot, shoulders,biceps and forearms!
People ask if I'm worried about GMO foods. I tell them no, as I am a GMO, with all the shots I've had!

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Originally posted by theback40:
Thats for sure jeffi. You walk through the line with your shirt off, getting shots everywhere they can find a spot, shoulders,biceps and forearms!
People ask if I'm worried about GMO foods. I tell them no, as I am a GMO, with all the shots I've had!

When I got my first round at Basic they were just starting to use the "guns", if the medic wobbled while giving the shot the damned thing would gash you pretty good.

Got some exotics after I got in the Chemical Corps.

Younger than you, always had the guns. But, you usually had blood running from somewhere. They were not overly careful, and always in a hurry.

Did you have the photos, when they gave you the small pox vaccine?
"Dont scratch the puss sack or this can happen". Pictures of puss sacks all over their shoulders, hands, face, and the clincher, swollen puss sacks on someones nutsack.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Younger than you, always had the guns. But, you usually had blood running from somewhere. They were not overly careful, and always in a hurry.

This was 1976, they had needles available for those who insisted.

Yeah, they had rather graphic visual aids about leaving the smallpox site alone, but nothing compared to the films at the Chemical School of volunteer Australian convicts running an obstacle course liberally treated with blister agents then following their progress. I always wondered what the "disclosure" looked like.

I got all my shots at Ft Polk in 74, all by guns. I don't recall any of us having infections or puss sacs from them.

Smallpox is a different cat.

That round scar on your upper arm in those who are old enough is smallpox. It was a live attenuated type vaccine.

We haven't used that vaccine for decades now.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Smallpox is a different cat.

That round scar on your upper arm in those who are old enough is smallpox. It was a live attenuated type vaccine.

We haven't used that vaccine for decades now.

I must have been on the dividing line as I don’t have the scar but many of my high school classmates did. I got smallpox vaccinated in the first grade in 1970. It was administered with some type of “gun” device if I remember correctly.

The smallpox was administered with a little "pick" digging it in under the skin. Maybe dipped in the vaccine before hand?
I have always wondered how much pressure was used in those airgun vax givers, to blow it into you. Do you know Doc Butler?

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Can someone tell me if the military mandates an annual flu vaccination?

No. It’s up to the soldier’s discretion. Readiness means nothing, you fucking dumbass.

Eh? Doesn't seem like a dumbass question, to me. Chalk me up as another dumbass, them...

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Originally posted by theback40:
The smallpox was administered with a little "pick" digging it in under the skin. Maybe dipped in the vaccine before hand?
I have always wondered how much pressure was used in those airgun vax givers, to blow it into you. Do you know Doc Butler?

If my sources are right it was 1200 PSI.

They don’t use them anymore as there have been a lot of issues with contamination from them.

It was no pressure gun for us.

They put some liquid on our arm, and cut a few scratches with something sharp.

Small Pox is different to the Chink virus.

The stupid bimbo in charge of the CDC says we should be wearing masks!

Some should tell her to FO!

I am not anti-vaxx, even went along with the joke since my wife is in the age bracket where COVID is a danger.
Still there is no knowledge of long-term effects, since there hasn't been a long term to study.

The example of DES comes to mind. There were no special problems with the generation that received the medication, it was the next generation that paid the piper.

Obviously, there was no way to test for that except to do the experiment. The experiment was done, and society paid the cost.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The military mandates all kinds of vaccines; even flu vaccines.

This is a non-conversation.

If the military needed to swell the ranks in a time of war, they would dress, and folks would get vacations.

Of those "all kinds of vaccines" how many actually prevent the affliction for which the vaccination is intended to prevent?

They didn’t administer smallpox with the jet injector gun.

Yes, it was a collection of metal needles that were inoculated with (IIRC) cowpox virus originally- now it’s a different virus ( a live attenuated vaccine) and let you develop an infection that provided immunity.

Now they use a weakened vaccinia virus but it still develops a scab/scar.

If you pick at it, you are spreading the virus to uninvolved areas before you have an immune response, and those areas will also blister up, scab, and scar- thus the recommendation not to touch it.

Coincidentally it’s the same vaccine they use for monkeypox.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The military mandates all kinds of vaccines; even flu vaccines.

This is a non-conversation.

If the military needed to swell the ranks in a time of war, they would dress, and folks would get vacations.

Of those "all kinds of vaccines" how many actually prevent the affliction for which the vaccination is intended to prevent?

They all produce varying degrees of protection.


You can still get a mild case of pertussis after getting the DTP vaccine, as an example.

Of all things, I did not get that smallpox scar. Kinda weird!

Did you get a smallpox vaccination Ann?

I ask because I don’t have a scar either but it says on childhood vaccination record that I received a smallpox vaccine.

Yep, we all got everything a 1960's baby and child would get. I don't know why it didn't scar. Lucky I guess?

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Yep, we all got everything a 1960's baby and child would get. I don't know why it didn't scar. Lucky I guess?

Only normal people with normal skin scar

If you didn’t get a scar, and you did actually get the vaccine, it would then mean you did not react to it, and it was not effective.


Like anything manmade it can have failures.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Did you get a smallpox vaccination Ann?

I ask because I don’t have a scar either but it says on childhood vaccination record that I received a smallpox vaccine.

I had the round scar....but I can't find it now......

Odd.....but not as odd a kabob

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Originally posted by crbutler:
If you didn’t get a scar, and you did actually get the vaccine, it would then mean you did not react to it, and it was not effective.


Like anything manmade it can have failures.

Thank you Dr. B! That was exactly what I wanted to know…not that it amounts to a hill of beans.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
If you didn’t get a scar, and you did actually get the vaccine, it would then mean you did not react to it, and it was not effective.


Like anything manmade it can have failures.

My mother (may she rest in peace) and I both didn't didn't scar - she was of an age that they gave her a second shot in HS to "prove" she had it - it didn't scar the second time, either.

Ann, mom also got her's in MI, both of them

I would think the scaring means nothing. Either your skin forms one or it doesn't.

If one is given a vaccine and it didn't make antibodies then something else is going on.

Smallpox is a live vaccine. In order for it to give you a response, you have to get an infection from it.

If you didn’t get a collection of pus and a skin reaction at the site, you didn’t get the infection, and it’s ineffective.

It’s certainly possible to have a minimal scar that isn’t visible, but if you had no infection (which leaves some scarring, but it might not be visible) then you had nothing to mount an immune response to. That was what the challenge testing was for (as smallpox vaccination was before my time in medicine, I’m not going from personal experience). Most who were challenged had negative responses (ie primary vaccine failure) for whatever reason.

The mRNA vaccines are essentially a new way of making the vaccine by introducing less material into a person. Theoretically, they should be safer. Practically, that is still unclear. They need to assess the Covid vaccine to decide, and its complicated by what is problems with the carrier methodology vs problems with the immunogenic portion.

Their goal was to be able to give lower dosages of foreign material (with resultant reactions) but still get a good antibody response. That they accomplished- but reactions were there as your body is producing a fair amount of antigen…. Supposedly, just the molecule you are targeting though.

As any scientist knows, theory and practice can be quite different.

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Smallpox is a live vaccine. In order for it to give you a response, you have to get an infection from it.

If you didn’t get a collection of pus and a skin reaction at the site, you didn’t get the infection, and it’s ineffective.

But if it made the big scab but no scar?

If it made a big scab, there was some scarring- maybe not very visible, but there.


And yes, that would mount an immune response, so it’s effective (to some extent this long afterwards).

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Originally posted by crbutler:
If it made a big scab, there was some scarring- maybe not very visible, but there.


And yes, that would mount an immune response, so it’s effective (to some extent this long afterwards).

I had the scab for sure. That said, I've also had some pretty serious wounds and they are often hard to find the evidence of.