ME should take particular notice here but others as well. Many old traditional sources have become far left hacks.

https://x.com/joeconchatv/stat...141283975397866?s=46

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Joe Concha:
Iowa pollster Ann Selzer just announced she’s retiring from polling.

Once known as the “gold standard” - she gave us the Harris +3 in Iowa poll.

Trump won the state by +13 (16 points off)

Selzer allowed her TDS emotions to greatly influence her numbers this time around.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
ME should take particular notice here but others as well. Many old traditional sources have become far left hacks.

https://x.com/joeconchatv/stat...141283975397866?s=46

quote:

Joe Concha:
Iowa pollster Ann Selzer just announced she’s retiring from polling.

Once known as the “gold standard” - she gave us the Harris +3 in Iowa poll.

Trump won the state by +13 (16 points off)

Selzer allowed her TDS emotions to greatly influence her numbers this time around.

Still far behind the illogic of bribing citizens to report their neighbors having an abortion!

I have watched several videos supposedly explaining why Trump won. They went into the grievances many are "feeling" and several other reasons, somehow apparently trying to give them standing.

One in particular was rather long and I suffered through it all. I didn't post a link herein because I concluded the so-deemed well respected and well credentialed guy doing the opinion sharing was nucking futz.

So far, I don't believe any of them are getting it right. None of the analysis I've seen so far offer satisfying answers.

The best way to analysis it, IMO, is to throw out, dismiss, the reasons or effect in a cause-and-effect relationship.

To name a few - vindication, proof the winners were right, and the losers were wrong, a clear plan or path to resolve electorate grievances - well-being economically and/or culturally, substantiation that Trump suffered unjustly from a weaponized DOJ etc., validate all Trump's lies as actually true. There's more but that's enough for now.

What does that leave, regarding why Trump won?

IMO, those who voted for Trump were tired of the "System" one way or another and Trump offered "bring it all down". Some of Trump's claims are to "end weaponized Govt." (by weaponizing it in his favor and calling it something else), "root out the systemic corruption at DOJ" (by appointing Gaetz to run it), "fighting crime" (with more crime and pardons), "protect our borders" (mass deportations and camps), stimulate the economy (with tariffs), dismantle the deep state (schedule F and 50,000 shock troop loyalists), task Musk with govt. efficiency (kleptocracy), drill baby drill (to pay back the quid-pro-quo with oil execs), end the wars (give Putin what he wants), give Christian Nationalists more power in govt. (conflate church and state), implement as much of project 2025 as possible (which will be bloodless if the Left allows it to be). There's a lot more but that's enough for now.

It's a Fox News nation. Trump and Team will indeed bring it all down. It will result in the nation becoming re-imagined and re-configured in Trump's image. We have plenty of evidence what that will look like. It's just a question of how far can he go. There is little question of how far he wants to go, but some have a problem imagining that.

If there is such a thing as TDS, it's the naivety and the failure of imagination as to just how demagoguery works and a false faith in fellow Americans. I mean, who would have figured that Americans who claim patriotism would willingly vote favoring fascism over a democratic republic?

Why do you need videos to tell you what happened?

No candidate could possibly be worse than Trump.

BUT, BUT, BUT!

What was offered from the other side?

A Bimbo if he wasn’t able to talk she might not be considered part of the bloody human race!

I don't need videos to TELL me anything.

I consult various sources.

THE ONION has been in the news lately, for buying Info Wars for one thing.

Anyway, The Onion is known as a satire site. Satire or not, they got this right:

https://theonion.com/america-defeats-america/

America Defeats America

WASHINGTON—In a historic outcome that promised to halt the rising scourge of the United States in its tracks, America has defeated America at the ballot box, sources confirmed Wednesday. “After 248 years of tense and often divisive conflict, we can finally say, as of this morning, that the nation turned out at the polls and delivered a decisive blow to the nation,” said electoral analyst Kurt Howitzer, describing the results as a remarkable triumph of the democratic experiment over democracy. “It’s a stunning turn of events. But it really shows the power of one citizenry to come together and prevail over themselves. The message was loud and clear: We are sick and tired of our country, and we want it to end.” At press time, millions of emotional Americans had reportedly gathered on the National Mall in an impromptu celebration of their resounding victory over the forces of liberty and equality.

Speaking of videos:

https://youtu.be/sfvtky4o5YI?si=bA9Hld6kLJV_tjB1

Conservative Man Proudly Frightened Of Everything | Onion Now: Focus

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https://youtu.be/68UQ0CByr-I?si=UpM24FTkN6ob13-b

Men Fired In Wake Of #MeToo Come Forward About How It Took Them Several Hours To Find New Jobs
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Just remember, this is how satire works. It demonstrates truth sideways if not inverted.

https://youtu.be/lpzVc7s-_e8?si=X2shd69jX3n0AF9H

Trump Voter Feels Betrayed By President After Reading 800 Pages Of Queer Feminist Theory

https://www.pewresearch.org/sh...ith-some-exceptions/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/6...mains-trend-low.aspx

https://www.hollywoodreporter....rump-era-1236055073/

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/...to-historic-low-poll


There is simply no trust.

Personally, I believe long format podcast will be where people go to learn about their political candidates.

And listening to morning Joe and his wacky bride call Trump Hitler, lost them credibility.

So, there are so many Trump supporters who are closet people.

Or is it that the pollsters don't look under rocks?

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/12...-trump-kamala-harris

The polls underestimated Trump's support — again. Here's why
Updated November 13, 20248:18 AM ET

(excerpt)

One reason Trump supporters are undercounted could be that Trump disparages pollsters and the media, creating a sense of distrust that could dissuade people from participating in a survey.

Trump won because, once again, the Democrats chose to run an unelectable candidate. Trump won because the internet holds more sway than ever before. The Trumpeteers were able to shout down the opposition more effectively. Trump won because he did actually speak about policies. He didn't speak well, didn't even always make sense, but he at least mentioned policy.
The truth is, immigration will probably not be fixed. Both the US and Canada are going to have to deal with the results stupid immigration policies, but it's unlikely they will be able to. Still, all it takes is to voice a desire to address the issue, and that's enough. The Democrats didn't even really admit there was a problem.
Trump won because Democrats stayed home rather than vote for such a weak candidate. Bill.

quote:

Trump won because

Fox News needed to recover the loss of nearly 800 million $ in legal settlement for lying.

Now we're a Fox News Nation. High risk, big reward.

Because of Trump America has survived to fight another day.

I believe looking at the demographics of young voters this cycle that voted against “wokism”…that America may be safe for a generation.

But, just like Reagan said: “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”

Still on the fascist kick Kabob.
You should have listened to the NY Times hour on NPR yesterday. To political scientist professors were the guests. They were asked about Trump being a fascist. They both denied it. They said you can find traits that align, but they can be found from Dem and progressives too. They referenced a book I told you to read years ago. Robert Paxton, Anatomy of Fascism.
They both said, Trump does not display Nationalist traits required for any form of fascism. If you were to label him and his policies, it would be autocracy.
You are to invested in your own opinions to listen to even Harvard professors or read a book, but it would make you sound less foolish if you did.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Still on the fascist kick Kabob.
You should have listened to the NY Times hour on NPR yesterday. To political scientist professors were the guests. They were asked about Trump being a fascist. They both denied it. They said you can find traits that align, but they can be found from Dem and progressives too. They referenced a book I told you to read years ago. Robert Paxton, Anatomy of Fascism.
They both said, Trump does not display Nationalist traits required for any form of fascism. If you were to label him and his policies, it would be autocracy.
You are to invested in your own opinions to listen to even Harvard professors or read a book, but it would make you sound less foolish if you did.

Gee, I might need to brush up on my civics, is it now considered a positive thing to an autocrat in America?

How did that become acceptable? Maybe you could explain that, as someone sworn to uphold our democratic institutions, how is it that you support an autocrat? That seems more than a little contradictory to me, or maybe our three branches of government never really mattered. Who needs checks and balances when you have a "mandate" anyway?

Did you hear that asshat Tubberville say that Trump now runs the Senate?

Disgusting does not quite cover the situation.

An autocrat is not a positive thing.

Lying and manipulating the discourse (which the Dems did every bit as much as Trump did) made them look like the bigger hypocrites.

Even now, there are folks refusing to admit that Harris was not a good candidate, even though she tanked in the primaries in 20.

Trump is a known issue, and the country was doing better when he was in… whether he had anything to do with it or not, we will see this time around.

All the MAGA types who are crying for revenge is exactly what makes me distrustful of team Trump.

Satire only works when it doesn't fall into the trap of becoming Sarcasm.

ME, You might not recognise the reasons, But many on the left- deeply left do.

Brianna Wu- PAC founder, transsexual and staunch democrat on why they lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6fR0bhZJi0

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We are so busy smelling our own farts, we can't see this any more.

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
An autocrat is not a positive thing.

Lying and manipulating the discourse (which the Dems did every bit as much as Trump did) made them look like the bigger hypocrites.

Even now, there are folks refusing to admit that Harris was not a good candidate, even though she tanked in the primaries in 20.

Trump is a known issue, and the country was doing better when he was in… whether he had anything to do with it or not, we will see this time around.

All the MAGA types who are crying for revenge is exactly what makes me distrustful of team Trump.

Are you from Switzerland?

I'm from America where we have three branches of Government which provide checks and balances and autocrats have traditionally been looked down upon.

Then along came Trump and his worshipers.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
I'm from America where we have three branches of Government which provide checks and balances and autocrats have traditionally been looked down upon.

Then along came Trump and his worshipers.

I didn't quote you...try to keep up.

Nope. Not sure where that came from.

I’m just convinced that heading down the path of “vengeance” is just going to perpetuate the problems we have.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
An autocrat is not a positive thing.

Lying and manipulating the discourse (which the Dems did every bit as much as Trump did) made them look like the bigger hypocrites.

Even now, there are folks refusing to admit that Harris was not a good candidate, even though she tanked in the primaries in 20.

Trump is a known issue, and the country was doing better when he was in… whether he had anything to do with it or not, we will see this time around.

All the MAGA types who are crying for revenge is exactly what makes me distrustful of team Trump.

Are you from Switzerland?

Where in hell did you get being an autocrat was a good thing from my post Steve?
Are you back to projecting instead of asking when you dont understand?
There has been a long running talk about Trump being fascist, by people who dont know what fascism is. That was what I was referring to.
How do you get that being a positive from my post? You really make no sense at times.

Silly old me, pointing out that Trumpers(you) are supporting an autocrat and that might not be a good thing for our way of government. What was I thinking.

And how would anyone connect those dots?

The mysteries never cease. A conundrum wrapped in an enigma.

Stop being an asshole Steve. show me one post that makes me a trumper. That is up your ass not mine. I didnt vote or support either candidate, and seldom support either party. There is no-one that has my best interests at heart in DC.
You just have to jump to conclusions.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
I'm from America where we have three branches of Government which provide checks and balances and autocrats have traditionally been looked down upon.


Steve,
Really?
You are from Boulder Colorado. Boulder is no longer considered America. Just like certain parts of California. You have lost your American identity and your posting is proof of this.

quote:

Originally posted by 4WD:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
I'm from America where we have three branches of Government which provide checks and balances and autocrats have traditionally been looked down upon.


Steve,
Really?
You are from Boulder Colorado. Boulder is no longer considered America. Just like certain parts of California. You have lost your American identity and your posting is proof of this.

Hilarious coming from a wing nut like you

Trust me, crack pots like yourself do not decide who is American.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Still on the fascist kick Kabob.
You should have listened to the NY Times hour on NPR yesterday. To political scientist professors were the guests. They were asked about Trump being a fascist. They both denied it. They said you can find traits that align, but they can be found from Dem and progressives too. They referenced a book I told you to read years ago. Robert Paxton, Anatomy of Fascism.
They both said, Trump does not display Nationalist traits required for any form of fascism. If you were to label him and his policies, it would be autocracy.
You are to invested in your own opinions to listen to even Harvard professors or read a book, but it would make you sound less foolish if you did.

Gee, I might need to brush up on my civics, is it now considered a positive thing to an autocrat in America?

How did that become acceptable? Maybe you could explain that, as someone sworn to uphold our democratic institutions, how is it that you support an autocrat? That seems more than a little contradictory to me, or maybe our three branches of government never really mattered. Who needs checks and balances when you have a "mandate" anyway?

Did you hear that asshat Tubberville say that Trump now runs the Senate?

Disgusting does not quite cover the situation.

Fascist, autocrat, authoritarian?

Whichever, none are good. They share some characteristics. Frankly, I'm tired of arguing about whether Trump(ism) is fascist or not. WTF difference does it make? He's definitely not about respecting and preserving a democracy or democratic republic whichever you want to call it.

It's just that fascism is easier to type than authoritarianism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ianism#Similar_terms

I looked up the definitions, again. The best fit is authoritarianism vs fascism vs autocracy or dictatorship. I think perhaps there will be less argument to just call Trump(ism) a form of authoritarianism. Heck, we might agree.

I would agree with that Kabob.
trump is purely about trump. He does things to either benefit himself, or to have people praise him. either way, it is not "for the good of the country as a whole" a president should be.
You could argue few presidents look to the whole country, especially lately, it's for the good of their party. trump takes it to another level.

I never cease to be amazed by ignorance portrayed by Americans on the ARPF.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
I never cease to be amazed by ignorance portrayed by Americans on the ARPF.

Those that support an autocrat shock me as well Lane, that is completely un-American

I rest my case. There is NO autocrat in America. Only the mentally challenged make such assertions.

Then, Lane, what is project 2025 if not an authoritarian recipe?

Project 25 has zero relevance. I have not read it. I don’t care to read it. It is not policy.

Please stay focused on reality if you want to stay relevant in a conversation.

You can quit pretending anytime.

https://www.bing.com/news/sear...ect+2025&FORM=HDRSC7

ME

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by 4WD:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
I'm from America where we have three branches of Government which provide checks and balances and autocrats have traditionally been looked down upon.



Steve,
Really?
You are from Boulder Colorado. Boulder is no longer considered America. Just like certain parts of California. You have lost your American identity and your posting is proof of this.

Hilarious coming from a wing nut like you

Trust me, crack pots like yourself do not decide who is American.

Stevie,
What you feel is being American is no longer considered American. Your type along with Enima, Headless , MJines, Jefffive,JDollar and other have lost your identity with main stream Americans.
Your types now fit in in the Republic of California. Your types are no longer Americans but California WOKEIST’s. Newsome will welcome you all with open woke arms. By the way how is California working out for you woke liberal Soros / Obama Democrats??

I can’t think of anything good from having an autocrat in the WH…. Especially when he is also a narcissistic egomaniac.

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
I can’t think of anything good from having an autocrat in the WH…. Especially when he is also a narcissistic egomaniac.

yeah, but he's leaving with his puppet on jan 20th -

I think it's time to give deference and appeal to authority:

https://youtu.be/civBrnAAqCE?si=-bJ-N6n-Pz3-PgVB

'Giving his middle finger to the American people': Bob Woodward reacts to Trump Cabinet picks

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Also, let's consider The Onion's perspective on the "fear" that Trump foments and exploits:

https://youtu.be/sfvtky4o5YI?si=ikSGaSTTHcnuaGuh

Conservative Man Proudly Frightened Of Everything | Onion Now: Focus

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I think it's time to give deference and appeal to authority:


Really? Blah Blah Blah
More informative,accurate, unbiased media coverage from the Washington Post and MSN