https://youtu.be/2qdB1EypJFU?si=LP4JfudCiNzSxkqP

Zoe Mulford - "The President Sang Amazing Grace"

Joan Baez performed this song on her Whistle Down The Wind cd, but Zoe Mulford wrote the song and it appears on her cd Small Brown Birds.

The President Sang Amazing Grace was voted song of the year in 2018 by Folk Alliance International.

This performance of the song was recorded at the North East Regional Folk Alliance Conference in Stamford Ct in November 2019. You can't hear it very well here but 800 in the audience sang along. It is a powerful song that touches on an important issue.

https://youtu.be/YGidGXO_Cus?si=EaQGfFsb9i6MXhTb
Joan Baez performs «The President Sang Amazing Grace

https://youtu.be/lBQOQVsdzbE?si=46X4F9KXiO9KLR0-

The President Sang Amazing Grace: Kronos Quartet and Meklit

https://youtu.be/FbasOB9a6wk?si=ks15vLiDPKQ8i7el
President Obama's Powerful Eulogy

https://youtu.be/VDn__wFBslU?si=Qox4dpl-HGQ66-7z

Books Tells How Obama Decided To Sing 'Amazing Grace' In Charleston

President Obama loves America and dedicated his adult life to making America, American Dream more accessible to every citizen. We can disagree on the policy.

Trump does not. Trump proved with the Big Lie, Jam 6, his plan to unconstitutionally overturn the election through de-certification, his unconstitutional directive to his VP, his permitting violence to keep him in power, his calm to suspend the Constitution, his comments on the Medal of Honor that Trump hates America. Trump sees the presidency purely as self-reward and self-preservation.

trump is the ultimate piece of shit.

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Originally posted by wymple:
trump is the ultimate piece of shit.

And so is the likes of Pelosi, Schumer and AOC!

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
President Obama loves took issue with America and dedicated his adult life to making changing America. The American Dream more has always been accessible to every citizen who wanted it. We can disagree on the His policy of transformation struck the first blows to the splitting wedge of division.

True story.

Enough with the despicable. A look at the good lest we forget what greatness is.

*rotfl*

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His policy of transformation struck the first blows to the splitting wedge of division.

You have said that maybe 100 times herein.

Do you think repeating it often enough will make it true?

Just because you got a wedgy, don't project it on others.

The wedge MLK fought through was real, preexisted, and got him killed. He was also about making America better with change. He made great progress against great opposition to change.

So the wedge thing - looking at it in a cause and effect way - I think you, like so many others, got it backwards. Obama is awfully convenient to blame as causing the wedge effect.

It's the same with MLK - to many he caused the wedge effect.

But in each case the wedge was already there, in effect. So, how could either MLK or Obama cause something that already existed, as a matter of fact?

It's like when I run a bush hog, cutting weeds. The snakes and field mice scurry or slither out of cover ahead of the bush hog and tractor. They were already snakes and mice before I mowed their cover. I just exposed them.

So, think of Obama and MLK as operating a tractor and bush hog.

Dr. Easter likes his African Americans to be seen and not heard from in politics.

All his read is just wrong, corruptions of his mind. The point being to mislead people.

Soon he will tell us how innocent Derek Michael Chauvin who has lost all his most recent appeals. Thus, our equine surgeon’s opinion about the medical evidence as a matter of law is factually wrong as a matter of law.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LHeym500:
Dr. Easter likes his African Americans to be seen and not heard from in politics.

All his read is just wrong, corruptions of his mind. The point being to mislead people.

Soon he will tell us how innocent Derek Michael Chauvin who has lost all his most recent appeals. Thus, our equine surgeon’s opinion about the medical evidence as a matter of law is factually wrong as a matter of law.

You know how I know Dr. Easter was wrong because I was 35 before I heard about The 1921 Tulsa Massacre. I was a senior in college before I was understood the Lost Cause was a lie, and the issue of slavery was the issue that caused the Civil War.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Dr. Easter likes his African Americans to be seen and not heard from in politics.

All his read is just wrong, corruptions of his mind. The point being to mislead people.

Soon he will tell us how innocent Derek Michael Chauvin who has lost all his most recent appeals. Thus, our equine surgeon’s opinion about the medical evidence as a matter of law is factually wrong as a matter of law.

May Dr Easter doesn’t like competition!

His own right wing leaders are just as stupid your African American leaders!

You two have so much common!

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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His policy of transformation struck the first blows to the splitting wedge of division.

You have said that maybe 100 times herein.

Do you think repeating it often enough will make it true?

Just because you got a wedgy, don't project it on others.

The wedge MLK fought through was real, preexisted, and got him killed. He was also about making America better with change. He made great progress against great opposition to change.

So the wedge thing - looking at it in a cause and effect way - I think you, like so many others, got it backwards. Obama is awfully convenient to blame as causing the wedge effect.

It's the same with MLK - to many he caused the wedge effect.

But in each case the wedge was already there, in effect. So, how could either MLK or Obama cause something that already existed, as a matter of fact?

It's like when I run a bush hog, cutting weeds. The snakes and field mice scurry or slither out of cover ahead of the bush hog and tractor. They were already snakes and mice before I mowed their cover. I just exposed them.

So, think of Obama and MLK as operating a tractor and bush hog.

Yes he does. He still says there were “irregularities” in the 2020 election. He lies to himself so he doesn’t get his feelings hurt when his white trash messiah’s feeling are hurt.

Derek Chauvin was a POS, as was the man he killed. Chauvin needed to face justice. George Floyd needed to be held up as an example of what can happen when one pursues a life of crime. Obama's handling of that incident, in his public remarks, was one of his great failures.
If Chauvin had been black and Floyd white, would the national response have been the same? When a black cop gunned down a white woman in Minneapolis, was the response the same? what was Obama's response to that incident?
The fact is, if any of these incidents had been reported without any mention of race, justice would have been much better served, but we can't do that. Instead, various groups, on both sides, do everything they can to widen the gulf between the citizens of the nation, based solely on their race. Obama chose to throw in with those who want to widen the divide and did what he could to that end. Although half white, he could not facilitate harmony between the races and instead, did just the opposite. Bill.

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If Chauvin had been black and Floyd white, would the national response have been the same

Of course not!

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Obama chose to throw in with those who want to widen the divide and did what he could to that end.

That's the part of your post that I disagree with the most.

I don't think "widen the divide" was the motive or goal, of "those" or Obama.

It looks like the effect, but not the cause.

the usual suspects.

Out of President Obama and President Trump only one refused to engage in a peaceful transition of power. Only one has called for the Constitution to be suspended.

That one is Trump. Your hero.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
President Obama loves took issue with America and dedicated his adult life to making changing America. The American Dream more has always been accessible to every citizen who wanted it. We can disagree on the His policy of transformation struck the first blows to the splitting wedge of division.

True story.

I’ll stand by what I wrote and most will agree.

Most will not agree. As two terms as President show.

See above. Had President Obama engaged as Trump did to deny Trump the White House and call for the Constitution to be suspended as Trump did, you would have called for 2nd Amendment remedies.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Obama chose to throw in with those who want to widen the divide and did what he could to that end.

That's the part of your post that I disagree with the most.

I don't think "widen the divide" was the motive or goal, of "those" or Obama.

It looks like the effect, but not the cause.

It may not have been Obama's intent, but his actions were a significant part of the cause. If you don't think there are those who want to widen, or at least maintain the existing divide, you have your head in the sand (at best). Further, "those", most of whom would identify as liberal, absolutely need that divide to maintain their influence. Peaceful co-existence, equality, justice, these are counter to what they need. I kind of think Obama got sucked in, to a certain extent but the results were the same as if he intended it. Bill

Well, Bill, the best I can say is that you have some sort of insight into what's really going on in other's heads, despite their outward words and deeds.

In your opinion, is anyone genuine? Beside you of course.

And actually, I do think there are those who want to widen or maintain the divide. That would be Trump, of course, and he's not pretending.

And his base isn't "sucked in". They want what he's offering. I'm not reading anything into that other than their words and deeds.

Despite their outward words and deeds? I don't think so. When people riot in the streets, only because of the color of a man's skin, their motive is seldom to promote peace and harmony. When the President then fans the flames and emphasizes racial bias as the primary issue, he is not trying to promote racial peace and harmony.
Do I think anyone is genuine? You're damn right I do. I think everyone is genuine, just not all the time.
When Trump stirred up the crowd and sent them on their way on Jan 6th. I think he absolutely meant to do it. When Kamala encouraged BLM rioters, in cities across the country, I think she was absolutely being genuine. She meant just what she said. In both cases, those people were deliberately widening the divide between one segment of the population and another. You can see it on one side but avert your gaze from the other. Regards, Bill.

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Kamala encouraged BLM rioters

What's the difference between "encouraging" riots and supporting peaceful protests?

The difference could be in the eyes and ears of the beholder.

(@ about 2:40 in the video) of course you can scroll back and fwd to get the context.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/k...rump-covid-pandemic/

https://www.tmj4.com/news/loca...-shooting-in-kenosha

Lane

Those ar nothing but lies.

The US was never an egalitarian society. It never offered freedom to ALL citizens.

White supremacists have dominated its politics and particularly in the South.

Texas has so many monuments built glorifying the Confederacy and this was continuing with new monuments being built even in the 2000s.

When are you going to face reality? White supremacism is DEAD. By 2032, the majority of US voters will be non white.

Your fantasy of the "way it used to be" is never coming back.

This culture war strategy is dangerous and pure evil.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
President Obama loves took issue with America and dedicated his adult life to making changing America. The American Dream more has always been accessible to every citizen who wanted it. We can disagree on the His policy of transformation struck the first blows to the splitting wedge of division.

True story.

Man
We are so blessed that we have nakis lies to not guide us.

Hey naki, defend India having 8+million slaves today. Defend the caste system.

Sweep your own porch

Racism is bad.

Unfortunately, Naki, you are showing your lack of understanding.

There is a lot of racism in the minority community. White supremacy is your bugaboo as you seem to see it in almost everything (like the CRT folks do...)

So when the minority population becomes the majority does white supremacy all the sudden become OK because they are no longer the majority? Of course not. Thus sthe absurdity of the whole Black folks can't be racist because they don't have power.

For crying out loud, they had Obama as president for 8 years, and he is certainly the most powerful figure in the democrat party at the moment... hardly no power.

If white supremacy is dead, why continue to make a big deal about it? Why have things like Title IX? (It really isn't dead, its just a very minority viewpoint in the US.)

You are correct that the US has not always been an egalitarian society, to our shame. But we are and have been one of the most egalitarian societies ever to exist on earth.

As to freedom, well, that really doesn't exist as an absolute, does it?

Hey naki
Your home country. Tell use about the egalitarian society for dalites. Your own society is literally the source of caste, and is alive and well in your home

Clean your own porch

Piss off you racist bigot!

My country is New Zealand. I am proud of my heritage and do not need to answer to some racist bigot.

Look at the mirror and see the reflection of Trump. I bet you are proud of his face replacing yours!

On the other hand, just watch my influence on changing your front yard as Texas turns blue with the South Indian wave from Kamala!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Hey naki
Your home country. Tell use about the egalitarian society for dalites. Your own society is literally the source of caste, and is alive and well in your home

Clean your own porch

Doc

It is always a please to debate with you. A pity that the other BS gets in the way.

I agree with most of what you say except the bit at the end where you claim "But we are and have been one of the most egalitarian societies ever to exist on earth."

That bit is a fantasy. The history of slavery, Jim Crowe, segregation, gerrymandering particularly in the south, the lynchings, the institutional prejudices and barriers that continue to be entrenched in your society are all concrete evidence. This has been going on in the US far more recently than in most other parts of the world.

Just look at the party demographics. The GOP is predominantly white. About 70% of older white males are in the GOP.

All global international Human rights organisations put the US very low in the list of freedom and human rights index.

The US has consistently been a party to obstructing freedom in other countries for decades. US support for South Africa during Apartheid is a great example. Do you remember the Carter era when Carter and Young wanted to presurise South Africa to liberate the nation and how the Conservatives spoke publicly that "American women were not prepared to give up on their diamond jewellery to liberate blacks"?? I remember watching that news reel in shock as a student in the mid / late 70s.

These are historical facts Doc. It is sad that you ignore them to support your entrenched opinion.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Racism is bad.

Unfortunately, Naki, you are showing your lack of understanding.

There is a lot of racism in the minority community. White supremacy is your bugaboo as you seem to see it in almost everything (like the CRT folks do...)

So when the minority population becomes the majority does white supremacy all the sudden become OK because they are no longer the majority? Of course not. Thus sthe absurdity of the whole Black folks can't be racist because they don't have power.

For crying out loud, they had Obama as president for 8 years, and he is certainly the most powerful figure in the democrat party at the moment... hardly no power.

If white supremacy is dead, why continue to make a big deal about it? Why have things like Title IX? (It really isn't dead, its just a very minority viewpoint in the US.)

You are correct that the US has not always been an egalitarian society, to our shame. But we are and have been one of the most egalitarian societies ever to exist on earth.

As to freedom, well, that really doesn't exist as an absolute, does it?

Nakihunter,
How long and during what period did you live in the southern US? I lived in Alabama in 1969 and 70. Shockingly, racism, while undoubtedly still alive and well, was much less noticeable than it is today. Interestingly enough, it seemed to be about 50/50 between the radical blacks and radical whites, when it came to maintaining that racial divide. The rest of the people seemed pretty happy to be able to go to work, make a living, and go home to their family.
By the way, global human rights organizations don't know shit when it comes to conditions in the US. They are basing their findings on info from those with an agenda. Regards, Bill.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
This has been going on in the US far more recently than in most other parts of the world.

Over 8 million enslaved in india TODAY. that's your home country right? Caste system still in place, or tell me how millions of dalites have equal rights

You might should clean your own porch.. there are more than 3 times the number of modern slaves TODAY than ever in the US 160 years ago

Lies, naki, lies

Terrible singer and worse president.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
President Obama loves America and dedicated his adult life to making America, American Dream more accessible to every citizen. We can disagree on the policy.

Trump does not. Trump proved with the Big Lie, Jam 6, his plan to unconstitutionally overturn the election through de-certification, his unconstitutional directive to his VP, his permitting violence to keep him in power, his calm to suspend the Constitution, his comments on the Medal of Honor that Trump hates America. Trump sees the presidency purely as self-reward and self-preservation.

Delusional much????

How stupid are you? Really?


.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

Those ar nothing but lies.

The US was never an egalitarian society. It never offered freedom to ALL citizens.

White supremacists have dominated its politics and particularly in the South.

Texas has so many monuments built glorifying the Confederacy and this was continuing with new monuments being built even in the 2000s.

When are you going to face reality? White supremacism is DEAD. By 2032, the majority of US voters will be non white.

Your fantasy of the "way it used to be" is never coming back.

This culture war strategy is dangerous and pure evil.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
President Obama loves took issue with America and dedicated his adult life to making changing America. The American Dream more has always been accessible to every citizen who wanted it. We can disagree on the His policy of transformation struck the first blows to the splitting wedge of division.

True story.

You know what you passive aggressive pussy?

I will pay for your plane ticket to come here and call Doc Lane a liar to his face. Send me your fucking address and I will send you the ticket you pantywaste.

You are nothing! Nothing but an internet troll!

Dr. Easter intentionally misleads on this forum daily.

The most recent his calls that the election was not due and “pure.”

I would tell him to his face.

His most recent that President Obama divided the country. No, some people wanted to be divided. It was the people who called President Obama an Arab and non American during the election. Sen. John McCain rejected those people publicly. The nation per that dialogue was already divided.

Lol.

I bet that makes you feel very brave.

You are nothing but an Internet bully. A coward.

A lot of decent people do lie on dome issues.

You are not a decent person. And you are a liar.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

Those ar nothing but lies.

The US was never an egalitarian society. It never offered freedom to ALL citizens.

White supremacists have dominated its politics and particularly in the South.

Texas has so many monuments built glorifying the Confederacy and this was continuing with new monuments being built even in the 2000s.

When are you going to face reality? White supremacism is DEAD. By 2032, the majority of US voters will be non white.

Your fantasy of the "way it used to be" is never coming back.

This culture war strategy is dangerous and pure evil.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
President Obama loves took issue with America and dedicated his adult life to making changing America. The American Dream more has always been accessible to every citizen who wanted it. We can disagree on the His policy of transformation struck the first blows to the splitting wedge of division.

True story.

You know what you passive aggressive pussy?

I will pay for your plane ticket to come here and call Doc Lane a liar to his face. Send me your fucking address and I will send you the ticket you pantywaste.

You are nothing! Nothing but an internet troll!

Naki,
JTEX is one of the most decent men I have been privileged enough to call a friend. Jim and I are personal good friends. Calling him names is the same as calling me names. You are the lying coward not Jim. He is about as far from a coward as a man can get.

You know who else calls JTEX a personal friend — GWB. Glenn would personally echo my comments above if he were allowed here. I add this as you expressed respect for GW…as GW deserves.

Birds of a feather radicalize together.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Obama chose to throw in with those who want to widen the divide and did what he could to that end.

That's the part of your post that I disagree with the most.

I don't think "widen the divide" was the motive or goal, of "those" or Obama.

It looks like the effect, but not the cause.

It may not have been Obama's intent, but his actions were a significant part of the cause. If you don't think there are those who want to widen, or at least maintain the existing divide, you have your head in the sand (at best). Further, "those", most of whom would identify as liberal, absolutely need that divide to maintain their influence. Peaceful co-existence, equality, justice, these are counter to what they need. I kind of think Obama got sucked in, to a certain extent but the results were the same as if he intended it. Bill

Which actions? Maybe the Pigford case? Asking for a friend...

Lane

I am calling you out. I am happy to even do this off line by PM. An open challenge to you and your friend.

Do you have any basic sense of justice, fairness or honesty?

Just go back to the last 5 years and see the history of your dear friend abusing me, bullying me, insulting me and worse. His racists attacks are horrific and cowardly. What did you do when you saw that? Where was your indignation?

Show me one other person bullied, vilified and insulted on ARPF for the last 5+ years like JTEX has done to me. Show me just one other.

Now you call me a coward for calling you both liars?

I have not seen a single thread of decency from JTEX in my interactions with him in all these years. Not one.

I have said this many times before. You guys are in a cultural island of isolation. You have no idea how the rest of the world lives and the issues it faces. All you care about is Texas and the South.

You guys claim to be Christians but do not follow the basic teachings of Jesus. I will challenge you any day on scriptural chapter and verse.

You do not have the simple common sense to understand that Liberal mindset comes from the teachings of Jesus and the Bible. You just cannot accept that Lincoln led a liberal revolution.

You can claim to disavow Trump and MAGA bigots. That means nothing. But you need to also look at the number of good ordinary average people you hurt long term by defending the far Right. There is not a single morally credible value among the Far Right.

"Small government" is not a virtue when it also leads to anti democratic, dictatorial oppression of minorities, the poor, the sick, etc.

What you guys call "left" in the US is way more Right wing than the rest of the Western world. Can you really see and understand that?

It is mind boggling that you cannot appreciate the struggle for basic freedom from oppression among minorities, the poor, the sick, etc. You just don't care. You just want to preserve the white supremacist status quo of "how it used to be", in the name of "Conservatism".

It takes real courage to face that. Yes COURAGE.

Again people like JTEX and yourself do not exhibit that courage when faced with such moral issues in your country or in the wider world.

JTEXT just resorts to hate, abuse, insults and racist humiliation. Now you are defending him & seem to be following him.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Naki,
JTEX is one of the most decent men I have been privileged enough to call a friend. Jim and I are personal good friends. Calling him names is the same as calling me names. You are the lying coward not Jim. He is about as far from a coward as a man can get.

You know who else calls JTEX a personal friend — GWB. Glenn would personally echo my comments above if he were allowed here. I add this as you expressed respect for GW…as GW deserves.