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Originally posted by LHeym500:
First, nothing will prevent everything. However, these mass murder events can be mitigated.

I don’t know if we really are willing to as opposed to be “seen doing something!!”

My number 1 priority work be hardening schools. A tax on all Firearms and Ammunition sales to fund a Federal Block grant fir states to access to hire 4-6 man law enforcement teams at public school campuses. We can debate a cap or percentage of this tax.

That would have done nothing about the latest one…

There is no one who is going to buy a Class 3 item that does not buy that item because of the 200 dollar tax. I would not add Semi Automatic, box feed, push button detach box magazine rifles to the NFA. I would add a 200 dollar tax to all such rifles and a 2 dollar tax to ammunition to pay for these state Law Enforcement Officers.

The power to tax is the power to ban.

I would also mandate their training in the Bill and presence on campus. One could require bi-annual training on days class is not in session and no extra curricular activities could be hosted on those days. In addition, I would use this tax to provide funding to update schools with electronic, key swipe locks, cameras, and metal detectors. The Bill would require schools to make these changes with funds provided from the tax.

How about some personal liability if they don’t act?

Number 2, This can only be an option state legislature could advance, but I am throwing out all suggestions. Teachers who qualify to the same standard as the State Police in firearms marksmanship (standard qualification course) shall be permitted to carry a firearm on their person with no off body carry permitted. The State Police would be required to provide testing dates every 3 months at designated regions across the State. The Bill would deny and grant immunity from liability criminally or civilly any teacher who barricades in place with students and used the firearm in a declared lockdown or during an armed attacker on campus. If one wants

Why stop there? One should be shielded from liability if the other actor is committing a criminal act.

Number 3, I would draft a bill that incentivizes states to pass civil commitment laws for those who make threats of mass violence. A person so committed would loose the right to possess or be transferred firearms and ammunition.

I don’t know about all states, but most do have commitment law re this. They just don’t utilize these laws because … financial is only one part, and a rather small one.

Number 4, I would increase the age to 21 for purchasing center-fire, box magazine fed, push button release magazine semi automatic firearms. To possess or transfer the same to a person under 21 would be a Class B Federal Felony. This is the current law in regard to handguns through the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Title 18 Chapter 44). The handgun age restriction is currently constitutional. Make the Supreme Court overturn it if they will.

And this will help how? Make it “more illegaler?”

There you have it. Now, do not tell me what is wrong. We know that. Tell me what you would do about it.

Or you can take the Representative from Tennessee’s position on CNN and say, “Nothing we can do. This is the cost of freedom.”

A) I do not believe that,
And
B) That attitude will see anti gunners get elected.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Number 4, I would increase the age to 21 for purchasing center-fire, box magazine fed, push button release magazine semi automatic firearms. To possess or transfer the same to a person under 21 would be a Class B Federal Felony.

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Hardening schools is the only solution.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Hardening schools is the only solution.

I think closed campus uni-entrance perimeter fencing with a guard should be looked at. Prison grade fencing aimed the other direction.

My son’s school already has armed teachers with signs posted all around saying they are present. They also have a county sheriff’s deputy on campus all the time. This is good.

We have plenty of tax money already. Quit spending it stupidly apply it where needed.

Start punishing all 1st degree murder with positive proof with death. Quit demonizing police.

Mental institutions do need to be started back as well. But our looney society of today that says anything goes…will have a hard time committing anyone…but they should be.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Why do we need a new tax??????

To make you feel good???

We have enough money to hire 87,000 new IRS employees???? We've sent billions to the ukraine....we spend billions on illegal aliens....lets spend money on school security!

We need to enforce, strictly, the laws we already have!!!!

There is, and will always be, evil in this world. We need to acknowledge that and deal with it harshly and swiftly!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Number 4, I would increase the age to 21 for purchasing center-fire, box magazine fed, push button release magazine semi automatic firearms. To possess or transfer the same to a person under 21 would be a Class B Federal Felony.

just throw the majority of soldiers under the bus, it's a long gun, for crying out loud .. you are literally outlawing remington autoloaders, BARS, etc, in you aim to blame all law abiding citizens for the acts of a crazy -- who used some weird pistol caliber carbine for the bulk of they actions .. do better

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First, nothing will prevent everything. However, these mass murder events can be mitigated.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
EDUCATION!

EDUCATION!

EDUCATION!

Make them understand one never takes a life.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:

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First, nothing will prevent everything. However, these mass murder events can be mitigated.

You do not like freedom very much do you.

If you want money tax liberals'. Or better yet tax the media. Tax, TV, radio, computers, magazines and news papers for the money.

Call for a tax on firearms is just falling into the anti's play book

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Well, for one thing- foreign experience seems to be if you ban guns, they find something else.

Sure a knife or sword is less mass casualty than a Ruger 10-22...

But then one starts finding uses for diesel fuel and miracle grow.

Why are CF DBM's and such used? Maybe more so the culture of violence on video games shows them?

Better idea?

What needs to be done is a widespread public action campaign showing the public that the tools are already there, and naming and shaming those who refuse to use them.

County commissioners who refuse to pay for commitment care and guardianship for folks in need of it.

DA’s who refuse to pursue commitment of folks who are a reasonable danger.

Judges who use their own political beliefs to minimize dealing with folks early when you have a chance to do something before they end up hurting someone.

Families who enable relatives to get away without paying consequences for bad behaviors, or refuse to treat them…

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is a consensus here that armed, trained response security at schools is necessary.

The issue maybe how to fund and structure it. I do not support the Fed making an unfounded mandate on the states to do so.

Does anyone have other funding ideas? Please be specific as cut waste does not tell us anything.

If you do. not want to be debt neutral about it. The price is worth it be damned. That is a fair position. I would vote for that if funding positions failed.

~Ann

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:

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First, nothing will prevent everything. However, these mass murder events can be mitigated.

You do not like freedom very much do you.

If you want money tax liberals'. Or better yet tax the media. Tax, TV, radio, computers, magazines and news papers for the money.

Call for a tax on firearms is just falling into the anti's play book

You do not like responsibility very much. We are the ones who advocate, purchase, and use these weapons. We should lead in making it better. The do nothingers are playing into anti-gunners hands.

This is all our problem. This is our skin in the game.

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But "we" are not the ones using these guns in crimes!!!!!

"We" ARE the responsible, law abiding gun owners! "We" are already being punished enough!

The bleeding hearts like you, the liberal judges and prosecutors that are leaving criminals on the streets and in society are the problems.

It is not time for handwringing, more laws and taxes! It is beyond time to guard our children and harden our soft spots until "we" can get rid of this insanity in our society!

~Ann

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
There are over 90,000 public schools and 32,000 private schools in the US.

How do you suggest we fund turning each of those schools into impregnable fortresses with armed guards, fencing, barbed wire, etc.

Just putting two security guards making $50k a year each in each school would cost over 12 billion dollars. I guess the government could cancel the F35 contract?

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
There are over 90,000 public schools and 32,000 private schools in the US.

How do you suggest we fund turning each of those schools into impregnable fortresses with armed guards, fencing, barbed wire, etc.

Just putting two security guards making $50k a year each in each school would cost over 12 billion dollars. I guess the government could cancel the F35 contract?

Trading 87,000 new IRS employees would be one helluva start!

Seems Biden thinks we can afford them????

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
There are over 90,000 public schools and 32,000 private schools in the US.

How do you suggest we fund turning each of those schools into impregnable fortresses with armed guards, fencing, barbed wire, etc.

Just putting two security guards making $50k a year each in each school would cost over 12 billion dollars. I guess the government could cancel the F35 contract?

Trading 87,000 new IRS employees would be one helluva start!

Seems Biden thinks we can afford them????

.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
There are over 90,000 public schools and 32,000 private schools in the US.

How do you suggest we fund turning each of those schools into impregnable fortresses with armed guards, fencing, barbed wire, etc.

Just putting two security guards making $50k a year each in each school would cost over 12 billion dollars. I guess the government could cancel the F35 contract?

Trading 87,000 new IRS employees would be one helluva start!

Seems Biden thinks we can afford them????

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Except that the IRS is not getting 87,000 new auditors. I've posted repeatedly that this is just another whack-job fantasy but I'll try again:

>>>>There’s only one problem. It’s not true.
The Inflation Reduction Act, a landmark climate, health care and tax package that passed the Senate on Sunday and is expected to head to Biden’s desk after the House approves it on Friday, includes roughly $78 billion for the IRS to be phased in over 10 years. A Treasury Department report from May 2021 estimated that such an investment would enable the agency to hire roughly 87,000 employees by 2031. But most of those hires would not be Internal Revenue agents, and wouldn’t be new positions.

According to a Treasury Department official, the funds would cover a wide range of positions including IT technicians and taxpayer services support staff, as well as experienced auditors who would be largely tasked with cracking down on corporate and high-income tax evaders.

“It is wholly inaccurate to describe any of these resources as being about increasing audit scrutiny of the middle class or small businesses,” Natasha Sarin, a counselor for tax policy and implementation at the Treasury Department, tells TIME.

At the same time, more than half of the agency’s current employees are eligible for retirement and are expected to leave the agency within the next five years. “There’s a big wave of attrition that’s coming and a lot of these resources are just about filling those positions,” says Sarin, an economist who has studied tax avoidance extensively and who was tapped by the Biden administration to beef up the IRS’s auditing power.<<<<

https://time.com/6204928/irs-8...nts-factcheck-biden/

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
There are over 90,000 public schools and 32,000 private schools in the US.

How do you suggest we fund turning each of those schools into impregnable fortresses with armed guards, fencing, barbed wire, etc.

Just putting two security guards making $50k a year each in each school would cost over 12 billion dollars. I guess the government could cancel the F35 contract?

Trading 87,000 new IRS employees would be one helluva start!

Seems Biden thinks we can afford them????

.

Except that the IRS is not getting 87,000 new auditors. I've posted repeatedly that this is just another whack-job fantasy but I'll try again:

>>>>There’s only one problem. It’s not true.
The Inflation Reduction Act, a landmark climate, health care and tax package that passed the Senate on Sunday and is expected to head to Biden’s desk after the House approves it on Friday, includes roughly $78 billion for the IRS to be phased in over 10 years. A Treasury Department report from May 2021 estimated that such an investment would enable the agency to hire roughly 87,000 employees by 2031. But most of those hires would not be Internal Revenue agents, and wouldn’t be new positions.

According to a Treasury Department official, the funds would cover a wide range of positions including IT technicians and taxpayer services support staff, as well as experienced auditors who would be largely tasked with cracking down on corporate and high-income tax evaders.

“It is wholly inaccurate to describe any of these resources as being about increasing audit scrutiny of the middle class or small businesses,” Natasha Sarin, a counselor for tax policy and implementation at the Treasury Department, tells TIME.

At the same time, more than half of the agency’s current employees are eligible for retirement and are expected to leave the agency within the next five years. “There’s a big wave of attrition that’s coming and a lot of these resources are just about filling those positions,” says Sarin, an economist who has studied tax avoidance extensively and who was tapped by the Biden administration to beef up the IRS’s auditing power.<<<<

https://time.com/6204928/irs-8...nts-factcheck-biden/

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How do you suggest we fund turning each of those schools into impregnable fortresses with armed guards,

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
There are over 90,000 public schools and 32,000 private schools in the US.

How do you suggest we fund turning each of those schools into impregnable fortresses with armed guards, fencing, barbed wire, etc.

Just putting two security guards making $50k a year each in each school would cost over 12 billion dollars. I guess the government could cancel the F35 contract?

Trading 87,000 new IRS employees would be one helluva start!

Seems Biden thinks we can afford them????

.

Except that the IRS is not getting 87,000 new auditors. I've posted repeatedly that this is just another whack-job fantasy but I'll try again:

>>>>There’s only one problem. It’s not true.
The Inflation Reduction Act, a landmark climate, health care and tax package that passed the Senate on Sunday and is expected to head to Biden’s desk after the House approves it on Friday, includes roughly $78 billion for the IRS to be phased in over 10 years. A Treasury Department report from May 2021 estimated that such an investment would enable the agency to hire roughly 87,000 employees by 2031. But most of those hires would not be Internal Revenue agents, and wouldn’t be new positions.

According to a Treasury Department official, the funds would cover a wide range of positions including IT technicians and taxpayer services support staff, as well as experienced auditors who would be largely tasked with cracking down on corporate and high-income tax evaders.

“It is wholly inaccurate to describe any of these resources as being about increasing audit scrutiny of the middle class or small businesses,” Natasha Sarin, a counselor for tax policy and implementation at the Treasury Department, tells TIME.

At the same time, more than half of the agency’s current employees are eligible for retirement and are expected to leave the agency within the next five years. “There’s a big wave of attrition that’s coming and a lot of these resources are just about filling those positions,” says Sarin, an economist who has studied tax avoidance extensively and who was tapped by the Biden administration to beef up the IRS’s auditing power.<<<<

https://time.com/6204928/irs-8...nts-factcheck-biden/

Okay, I didnt say auditors, I said employees first off!

But by your post goofy joe wants 78 BILLION FOR THE IRS!!!!! Over ten years, okay, I got it.

7.8 Billion dollars a year for the IRS!!!! IF they just replacing attrition that's no need for an increase counselor.....one retires, one gets hired....pretty much net zero????? Or is there "lawyer math" involved???

So.....lets invest 7.8 billion dollars a year for the next ten years in school security. My God its for the children man!!!! To the total of 78 Billion dollars.For Gods sake man, you and your over educated under intelligent rant said it would only cost 18 billion a year to protect our schools. Hell lil mikey! For 78BILLION dollars a year we could make our schools nuke proof and give teachers a raise!

You are a koolaid drinking moron....look in the mirror, you'll see it.

Lets quit spending money on your illegal alien buddies and put that towards protecting our children. My God man, its for the children!!!!

No that won't work.....we need control....not something that actually makes sense.....


You and heym come up with a lot of stupidity, this stuff ain't hard y'all are a certifiable case of educated beyond your intelligence..
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