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Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act). Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used". Not to use nuclear weapons against any non–nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments | |||
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You can't even ask an unbiased question. Those were not "Russian" provinces, they were Ukrainian provinces with lots of Russian speaking folks left over from when Russia was colonizing much of Ukraine. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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It's pretty simple. trump has shown his true colors, as a tool of Putin. Chamberlain had more balls. | |||
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https://youtu.be/lH1bemnt1eY?si=HeSICf0BvxdwWysR Trump falsely blames Ukraine for starting war with Russia, echoing Putin's talking point https://youtu.be/3NCKGgc31Lo?si=W-Wv7pRkgvxBSxUX What to know about U.S. meeting with Russia on war with Ukraine ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Ouch. When you get compared to Neville that hurts. Mike | |||
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The problem is that under US law, a treaty has to be ratified by the senate. While Blinken signed the thing, lacking Senate approval, the Budapest Accord is essentially just an agreement with that administration, not with the US government.
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whiich meant exactly what i wrote we cannot trust your government ... | |||
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It is the Constitution that requires the senate to ratify treaties to bind the U.S. to the treaty. Now, it does not mean that everyone ends who signed is not bound. | |||
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https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/brie...4-after-30-years-non https://www.lawfaremedia.org/a...troversial-agreement | |||
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Classic American behavior! Git the CIA to install a puppet. Told him not to comply with his agreement with Russia. Several years of pointless war. Lose it as they usual do. Now sent America a one sided agreement. Once that was signed, he has bet irrelevant!  | |||
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I wasn’t meaning to insult you, my other post referred to someone else, apologies if it wasn’t clear. | |||
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Congress didn't ratify and I'd of lied like a mofo myself to secure that arsenal. Ukraine "inherited" nothing. The USSR dissolved, disappeared, and left bags and bags of goodies, (armaments,) all over Eastern Europe. That's not inheritance, that's salvage. Given Ukraine's well documented late 20th century and early 21st century history, those salvaged armaments should have been confiscated at any cost. | |||
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Those links do my change anything. Here is the constitutional provision that requires the Senate to ratify treaties to have the force of law. “He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;“ Sone will argue ratify is the wrong term. That the Senate approves treaties. This happened at the end of WWI. The Senate refused to approve the Treaty of Versailles. The Senate’s objection centered on the League of Nations. Thst is right the Treaty of Versailles was not enforceable upon the U.S. That is why the U.S. never joined the League of Nations. NATO is important. I support NATO 100 percent, but it is a legal impossibility for NATO or a President to make a treaty the “law of the land” in the United States. The Senate gets final say. In the Treaty Clause, the Constitution returns to the realm of foreign affairs and vests the power to make treaties in the national government. Earlier in the Constitution, Article I prohibits the states from concluding treaties and limits the states’ role in other forms of international relations.1 Article I also assigns several foreign affairs-related powers to the Legislative Branch, including powers to regulate commerce with foreign nations, define and punish offenses against the Law of Nations and on the high seas, and regulate many aspects of the military.2 In Article II’s Treaty Clause, the Constitution, for the first time, addresses international affairs from the vantage of the President’s powers. The clause vests the President, acting with the advice and consent of the Senate, with the authority to make treaties for the United States. Treaties—which the Supreme Court traditionally defines as pacts among sovereign countries3—have been tools of international relations since antiquity.4 After the United States won its independence from Great Britain, many Americans viewed the Articles of Confederation as a form of a treaty among the individual states of the union.5 But the Framers criticized how the Articles of Confederation addressed the new union’s treaty obligations to foreign countries.6 The Articles lacked a mechanism to ensure individual states complied with the United States’ international obligations, particularly its obligations to England under the 1783 Treaty of Peace that ended the Revolutionary War.7 When drafting the Constitution, the Framers sought to remedy this problem by including treaties among the sources of the supreme Law of the Land in the Supremacy Clause.8 Because of this change, treaties occupy a unique place in the constitutional system: they can operate simultaneously as domestic law of the United States and as tools of foreign policy in the form of pacts between nations.9 Elements of the treaty-making process may vary depending on the treaty, but the standard process generally operates as follows:10 a member of the Executive Branch negotiates the terms of a treaty, and the President or another Executive Branch official signs the completed draft when negotiations conclude.11 Next, the President submits the treaty to the Senate.12 If two thirds of the Senators present pass a resolution of advice and consent, the process shifts back to the Executive Branch.13 At this stage, the President decides whether to make the final decision to enter the treaty on behalf of the United States.14 It is thus the President, and not the Senate, who has final responsibility for completing the treaty-making process.15 However, the President has no obligation to ratify a Senate-approved treaty, and, in some cases, the President has declined to do so.16 | |||
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All good Asking questions from all sides is in my opinion a good thing I also figured I’ll get hammered, which I did and that’s OK too as you and everyone else can see that I’m in Trump camp and for that matter on here I’m being minority so technically I’m protected right? Just kidding Ha Ha Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two | |||
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and that one is not specific to trump ... and all here are wondering why canada is not trusting them ...;lol | |||
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medved, Instead of worrying about Trump and the USA…please rid your country of it’s communist pussy PM and set Canada back on a good conservative path. Get back with us when you’re finished with that.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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In other words, "Hey look over there! It's a squirrel." Nothing to see here while the POTUS upends 80 years of consistent foreign policy, turns on our allies and supports Russia  Your such a patriot Lane  Not! | |||
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Can't believe anyone would condone that PDS Putin Dick Sucking. But here we are and he's not trying to hide it. Wonder what Putey has on him or what he wants from him. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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you did not have a clue what is communism ... my family fled the country that under communism regime ... what you are telling will not happens as you dear president is supporting one of the worst dictator raised under cccp and trained by the kgb ... if those are your valors you are ready for an hard wake up call ... on another note thank you for confirming that your country signature worth nothing ... let me remember that when your grocery or lumber or steel bills will go up and i will tell you to get rid of trump and trumpism before crying because it will happen ... canadians will not elect a dictator and we will be not your slave 51st state so be ready to cry because of your actions and support against us ... at least you are showing your true colors of friend of canada ... | |||
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YTF is trump even getting involved other than to gratify putin? Who asked him to intervene? Just because we gave them aid doesn't give us the right to dictate terms. Are we getting our jets back? once the Ukraine is essentially helpless Putin will be right back looking for more. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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