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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The only praise I give McCarthy is his foresight and desire to preserve the USA.

His methodology and political procedure sucked and did cause harm.

There lies much in common with McCarthy and Trump. Both had good ideas…they lacked acumen for execution.

McCarthy was a sick drunk who persecuted a lot of people needlessly and for his own aggrandizement. All of us want to preserve the US. You don't get points for that in my estimation.

I used to believe that too.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The only praise I give McCarthy is his foresight and desire to preserve the USA.

His methodology and political procedure sucked and did cause harm.

There lies much in common with McCarthy and Trump. Both had good ideas…they lacked acumen for execution.

McCarthy was a sick drunk who persecuted a lot of people needlessly and for his own aggrandizement. All of us want to preserve the US. You don't get points for that in my estimation.

I used to believe that too.

0bama ran on change…and change he did.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The only praise I give McCarthy is his foresight and desire to preserve the USA.

His methodology and political procedure sucked and did cause harm.

There lies much in common with McCarthy and Trump. Both had good ideas…they lacked acumen for execution.

McCarthy was a sick drunk who persecuted a lot of people needlessly and for his own aggrandizement. All of us want to preserve the US. You don't get points for that in my estimation.

I used to believe that too.

0bama ran on change…and change he did.

Disparaging Obama while posting fondly/nostagically about McCarthy. Bizarre.

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0bama ran on change

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Originally posted by ledvm:
George H W Bush

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Sr did. He ran on “same old same ole”

Everyone was pretty happy in the 80s.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

WACO and a new militia movement was not for happiness.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by skb:
To be sure, some folks are willing to put Party in front of Country. Those kind of people are the real threat to this country.

Happy 4th!

Speaking of which, anyone know how's Schiff doing?

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Regardless of policy, AIDS patients in the 80’s had nothing. Even with the evil republicans running things, drugs were invented, and things got better. The GOP were the ones that gave those drugs around the world, not the Dems… that same GW Bush that caused the wars…

The folks who died in that plane bombing by Libya… how did that change? We had several bloody wars that made improvements for folks in the west, at a cost of civil liberties and ease of travel.

As for North taking the fall… he was a going nowhere rapidly Field grade officer who became more politically influential and wealthier than I suspect he ever imagined by his taking the fall publicly. If Regan had totally disavowed him, he would have been a nothing. Not that great of an example.

Were the 80’s perfect? No. But the world was more stable then. Folks often look on stability with nostalgia.

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by crbutler:

Were the 80’s perfect? No. But the world was more stable then. Folks often look on stability with nostalgia.

I too fondly recall those days of stability, record violent crime, and crack wars raging in our cities.

The halcyon days indeed.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by crbutler:

Were the 80’s perfect? No. But the world was more stable then. Folks often look on stability with nostalgia.

I too fondly recall those days of stability, record violent crime, and crack wars raging in our cities.

The halcyon days indeed.

you forgot the record high inflation, and the fall of the soviets --
because in the 80s, the nation decided to vote in republicans, and then everything changed -

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
The GOPers get more and more off the rails of sanity.

What's next? "Mussolini was right, it was just his methods that were flawed."

Anyone who would defend McCarthy or say he was right about anything has no real sense of morals.

I repeat: there is no Communist threat to the US today. It's just another GOP lie.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You are correct. WACO was 1993. President Bush resigned from the NRA as a life member due to WLP statements. President Bush had already left office. Ruby Ridge was 1992. When do you think those ideological seeds were planted.
Waco was a goofy religious cult. Can’t blame that on the GOP. Ruby Ridge was a pure push by the Dem AG on gun law enforcement.

The 80s were the fertilizer for the Militia mov on the far right.

https://www.britannica.com/event/militia-movement

The Turner Diaries was published in 1978.


See also here

https://www.press.umich.edu/pd...72116829-origins.pdf

I am not sure what Crbutler is getting at.

The 80s were not peaceful and stable as the Faction here has broached. We have provided enough examples that the “good days” are a falsehood used to keep others considered less than from exercising political power.

The 80’s had a lot of issues. Most of which were addressed successfully by GOP led bipartisan action.

I believe President Reagan’s White House knew all about North. That the White House was fine with it.
I am sure they were as well. I think the White House felt that benign neglect of North served policy better than making a fuss either way. The point was you claimed North didn’t feel it was a good thing. Well, he wasn’t really going anywhere as a Marine, and it made him an influential figure in the nation.

The policy of the GOP was to ignore AIDS in the 80s. They got what they deserved. Yep, they had nothing.
President Regan did not publicly mention AIDS until July 25, 1985. The Crisis is considered to have begun in June 5, 1981. The CDC first used the term AIDS in 1982.

And? The medical industry was working full time trying to identify and come up with treatments. What would a presidential hand wringing do other than politicizing the situation?

Yeah things were just swell in the 80s.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You are correct. WACO was 1993. Ruby Ridge was 1992.


The 80s were not peaceful and stable as the Faction here has broached.
The policy of the GOP was to ignore AIDS in the 80s.

Yeah things were just swell in the 80s.

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1983
In 1983, U.S. Congress passed the first bill that included funding for AIDS research and treatment, but it was still hard for people to understand AIDS. That same year, Joseph A. Sonnabend, a physician and AIDS researcher, was threatened to be evicted from his building in New York City for treating AIDS patients. Sonnabend’s case was the first AIDS discrimination lawsuit.

1984-86
1984-86
By 1984, San Francisco and New York both began to close bathhouses due to high-risk sexual activity occurring. Also in that year, the CDC reported that IV drug users shouldn’t share needles. By 1986, the CDC reported that African-Americans and Latinos were disproportionately affected by AIDS, especially children who made up 90 percent of AIDS cases.

1987
1987
The FDA approved the first antiretroviral drug zidovudine (AZT) in 1987. That year, Princess Diana was also photographed shaking the hand of a patient living with HIV in a London hospital. She went on to break down barriers and advocate for people living with HIV.

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Originally posted by skb:
Sounds like we have a new member of the cranky old bastard club

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Originally posted by skb:
Welcome my brother in gray hair

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You are correct. WACO was 1993. President Bush resigned from the NRA as a life member due to WLP statements.

The 80s were the fertilizer for the Militia mov on the far right.

https://www.britannica.com/event/militia-movement



Yeah things were just swell in the 80s.

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George H.W. Bush submitted a letter dated May 3, 1995, to the NRA, resigning his Life Membership in that organization

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Militia groups began to form not long after the deadly standoff at Waco, Texas, in 1993; by the spring of 1995, they had spread to almost every state

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Regardless of policy, AIDS patients in the 80’s had nothing. Even with the evil republicans running things, drugs were invented, and things got better. The GOP were the ones that gave those drugs around the world, not the Dems… that same GW Bush that caused the wars…

The folks who died in that plane bombing by Libya… how did that change? We had several bloody wars that made improvements for folks in the west, at a cost of civil liberties and ease of travel.

As for North taking the fall… he was a going nowhere rapidly Field grade officer who became more politically influential and wealthier than I suspect he ever imagined by his taking the fall publicly. If Regan had totally disavowed him, he would have been a nothing. Not that great of an example.

Were the 80’s perfect? No. But the world was more stable then. Folks often look on stability with nostalgia.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:


The policy of the GOP was to ignore AIDS in the 80s. They got what they deserved. Yep, they had nothing.
President Regan did not publicly mention AIDS until July 25, 1985. The Crisis is considered to have begun in June 5, 1981. The CDC first used the term AIDS in 1982.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You are correct. WACO was 1993. President Bush resigned from the NRA as a life member due to WLP statements.

The 80s were the fertilizer for the Militia mov on the far right.

https://www.britannica.com/event/militia-movement



Yeah things were just swell in the 80s.

Wrong, again, on several levels. Pres Bush resigned from the NRA in 1995

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George H.W. Bush submitted a letter dated May 3, 1995, to the NRA, resigning his Life Membership in that organization

The "80s were the fertilizer..."

The ADL disagrees with you

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Militia groups began to form not long after the deadly standoff at Waco, Texas, in 1993; by the spring of 1995, they had spread to almost every state

https://www.adl.org/resources/...der/militia-movement

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Originally posted by ledvm:
McCarthy’s worries were well founded. Have to give credit where credit is due.

His methodology and political prowess were atrocious. Maybe he was a horrible human being…I don’t know.

One has to look no further than the size, scope, and objective of the US Bureaucracy of today versus the 1950s to see McCarthy had a valid point.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
McCarthy’s worries were well founded. Have to give credit where credit is due.

His methodology and political prowess were atrocious. Maybe he was a horrible human being…I don’t know.

One has to look no further than the size, scope, and objective of the US Bureaucracy of today versus the 1950s to see McCarthy had a valid point.

There is nothing inherently Communist about Administrative Regulations.

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Marxism as a goal seeks an end to the Government State.

As a distant end over 100s of generations maybe. But the primary tool achieve this distant goal is “government regulation.”

There is no defense for McCarthy. Anyone who does and use Administrative Law as a point is not a serious person.

And I would submit that anyone who can’t see the correlation is too obtuse, ignorant, and/ or biased to be able to see a forest for being obstructed by trees.

Some people are able to play chess…while others only checkers.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:


The ASL gives a date of 1993. That is not far into the 90z again, the militia movement Bible is the Turner Diaries published in 1978. The Turner Diaries is where the ideology for the violence of the early 90s comes from. It is the Militia Movement’s Mein Kampf. It being sold on the back tables is why I quit going to the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot.

I am not wrong on President Bush Registration. I did not give a date. I know it was in 95. The point is the milia movement is fertilized in the 80s. We see violence in the early 90s peaking in 96. Violence the NRA condoned. See WLP statement.

Now, we see this violence being brought again by far right ideology. Ted Nugget, “ Suck in my Machine Gun-NRA Board Member, Jan 6, and most recently the nut who went President Obama hunting at the institution of President Trump.

Oh, the guy who went to shoot yo a puzzle place bc Dems were having children sex cults.