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Easy to say that Tommy is pro-Russian & pro-China ..... and pro-Stupid, making the jobs of our military leaders more difficult. The MAGA Republicans claim to support our military, but they don't. They claim to support our law enforcement officers. January 6th proves that they don't. https://slate.com/news-and-pol...efense-blockade.html Definition: A potato is a tuber. That's Tommy alright. Tommy Tuberville is Mr. Potato Head. Just another MAGA moron. | ||
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Bullshit! They promoted a man pretending to be a woman to the the navy!  What more do you want??  | |||
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And it runs down the chain like a slinky. Most of these officers are serving in their new position as "Acting" this or that, but some of these positions have a minimum rank designated for them that the Acting cannot be promoted into yet; some can't get government relocation of their households. Since they are only Acting many of their replacements in their last postings are also seated as Acting, so it's not just the 300-400 Tuberville is sitting on who are affected. Then there are the officers in every branch who are approaching decision time on whether to do another tour or retire, and this kind of mindless bullshit doesn't make staying in more attractive. Now the ignorant SOB is crying because somebody recited a poem over the public address on a carrier. Guess a football coach never heard about Gunga Din or The Charge of the Light Brigade "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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We have FAR tooo many flag rank officers - for our current force size ( not saying his method is correct) DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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That may be true; how many did splitting Space Farce off as a separate force add? And comparisons to WWII are silly, we've added the entire Air Force, the Space Farce and several Combatant Commands since then "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Yeah who needs a Marine Corp Commandant. | |||
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The US military has grown from 782,000 in 1976 to 1,400,000 today. Like a 79% increase. The UAE military has grown from 3,000 to 65,000 in that same period. Like a 2067% increase. Talk about bloated! You need a Tommy Tuberville to solve that problem for you. | |||
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And has gotten a great deal more complicated than it was in 1976, with very specialized units that no predecessor for existed then. I married a girl I met at the Chemical School in '78, we ended up in Germany in 80. Before the Army she had been in "data processing" and was a serious whiz with the state-of-the-art, punch cards. She was in a Critical Short MOS in a Chemical unit classified as Critical need and she got moved out to do punch cards. No relation to the discussion at hand but her transfer had to be approved by a 1-star. We may have more flags than we need, I don't know, but I do know Tuberville didn't start this shit because he thought there were too many Generals and Admirals, somebody told him that if a servicemember is stationed in a State that prohibits abortion the DOD will provide transportation to one that does them, just like any other medical care a servicemember needs. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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. . . where are bluefish, Lane and that ilk? Do they endorse what Tuberville is doing or not? Mike | |||
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Yeah, another example of MAGA. When your sole qualification to be a United States Senator is because you were a football coach, shit like this should probably be expected. It's a disgrace and Tuberville is a moron. Compromising the readiness of our national defense and fucking over military folks who have dedicated their lives and careers to defending our country. All so tuberville can get re-elected by the anti-choice republican knuckle-draggers who populate Alabama. You see shit like this and you wonder just how crazy republicans can get. Such a thing would have been unimaginable just a few years ago. Now...normal republican behavior. I'm sure Bluefish and Lane will be along shortly to tell all of us how it doesn't really matter, it's not important and blah blah blah. Who do we believe? MAGA idiots or the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US military? -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Are there enough Joint Chiefs for a quorum? "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Having a draft dodging coward as CnC takes the cake!  | |||
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Well, tell us, based on your vast experience and detailed study of the matter, how many flag rank officers do we need, by service? That was well above my pay grade. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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You’re the first EM I’ve ever heard not openly state that there are too many officers, and that most officers don’t have enough to do and thus cause problems. We had a much larger army in WWII. Per google, there are 1 flag rank officer per every 1600 service members. In WWII, it was 1 per 6000. You can’t be seriously thinking that we need more than 4 times as many generals now? | |||
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I don't know how many we need. I know that the military is exponentially more complex and broken into very many more specialized areas than it was in the WWII era, which increases the need for such billets, and is more widely deployed than any force in history, which also creates billets at flag rank. I know for damned sure that the dumbass from Alabama has no idea what the military needs, and didn't start this bullshit for that reason BECAUSE HE SAID SO! He freely admitted when he started that he was protesting the DOD policy of reimbursing travel incurred for medical care not available at or near a servicemember's home base because some small number of those involved were travelling from jurisdictions that forbid abortions to jurisdictions that allow them. He wants the DOD to discriminate against SMs travelling for certain care when those SMs have no control over where they are stationed. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Saeed, that Admiral (Levine) is not part of the Navy, she’s head of the uniformed Public Health Service. Quite a difference.
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Tuberville is a dumbass and grandstanding. But rank inflation has nothing to do with “complexity” of the mission. In my mind, the chief of staff of the Army doesn’t need multiple generals doing staff jobs when colonels could do them as well. The rank is something needed for command (or so it was when I was taking courses). I get why holding up promoting a LTG to GEN to take over as a member of the JCOS is a big deal. I get why a BGEN needs to be promoted to MAJGEN to command a division. What I don’t get is why we renamed battalions to regiments and then have BGEN’s commanding some of those… or why a nuclear missle silo complex can be under a captain, but we need a flag ranked officer to command a recruiting unit. I thought it silly that my ROTC unit was commanded by a full colonel, when we had about a company’s worth of cadets and why he had a LTC and 3 MAJ along with several CAPT… but no LT’s and 6 enlisted soldiers. Why we needed to form the “space force” and get a bunch of new high ranking folks when it was essentially duplicating other services units… and we sure didn’t get rid of the other services command structures and units. Hell, they probably needed a MAJGEN to come up with calling them “guardians.” And yeah, that was Trump’s doing. | |||
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well let's see- if we were at 1.76 mill troops in 2018 with 920 flag rank (GFO's, O7-10) (which btw , was an all time high in number and percentage since at least 1965 that i can locate data for) and 1.33 mil troops in 2023 -- we now need 1600+ GFO's ? ?? Just how complex have their tasks gotten or is it the complexities of their new underwear DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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I don't know, but you could ask the folks who authorized every single position requiring a flag-grade officer, the folks responsible to
Couple of hints: It ain't the Executive Branch and it ain't the Judiciary... "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Like I said, “Who needs a Commandant of the Marine Corps.” Do you believe that appointment is unnecessary? I assume you believe it is necessary. I would never vote for the Jr. Senator from Alabama. I hope Alabama does not keep him. Ultimately, that is the business, job, of the citizens of Alabama. This Demonstrates the utter dysfunction as a means of the MAGA team. We do not get our way on an election to set policy; we will strongly the Capital, we will not fund the government, and not appoint senior uniform personnel and civilian administrators. Yes, blocking 3 Service Chiefs of Staff is beyond indefensible. You may not like, or agree with a Space Force, but the issue has passed Congress. It needs to be staffed for lack of a better word. | |||
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Two different arguments… Do we need generals? Obviously yes. How many flag officers do we need? IMO, not anywhere near as many as we have, and yes, that’s a decision for congress. As to Tuberville- I would be embarrassed to use the methods he is using- but he does have the right to insist on his political views and use whatever legal parliamentary procedures to effect a change he desires as the representative of Georgia in the senate. What his constituents accept is up to them. | |||
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He represents Alabama, lives in Florida. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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It is the same argument. One seeks to explain the Jr. Senator from Alabama’s action as reasonable do to the perceived viewpoint of “too many generals.” No, I’m either context his actions are unjustified, unreasonable, and down right irresponsible. At best, one can say both things can be true. We have too many generals and we need to appoint some of those that the Jr Ex-Football coach is holding up. The problem is Sen Tuberville stated reason is not that there are “too many generals.” In addition, you and I do not get to decide if there are too many generals or too many services branches. Congress does (generals the Senate by advice and consent). Congress has so decided. Sen. Tuberville should not be allowed to hold up the confrontation as is the role of the Senate. A good reason not to vote GOP. See my above post: This Demonstrates the utter dysfunction as a means of the MAGA team. We do not get our way on an election to set policy; we will strongly the Capital, we will not fund the government, and not appoint senior uniform personnel and civilian administrators. Let us not forget Alabama’s (state legislature issue) refusal to not engage in racial gerrymandering. That is the common sense and good faith if the new, GOP. Too worried to staff the military while India sends folks to the moon, and Russia tries (spectacularly bad). | |||
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you mean the same ones- that have steadily overexpanded almost every aspect of government spending to the point that the interest ALONE on the national debt is now- larger than all of DOD spending, larger than ALL of "welfare" and "healthcare" spending- those "REASONABLE" folks-- most of whom only vote more money to the masses to be certain their respective political ox(es) are not gored - you think they really care about a functional but streamlined military (as I said initially, i do not agree with the method, HOWEVER, bringing this to light for the average voter has been a good thing) DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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He's an idiot and so are his constituents. Now, the republicans have become the anti-military party.  -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I guess if his constituents don’t like his actions they can vote him out. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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His fellow GOP Senators should put him in his place. Sen. Schumer should just start taking up one to one confirmation votes until Sen. Tuberville breaks or all 200 get voted on. Sen. Tuberville has noted that he’s really just forcing the Senate to take roll call votes. Thus, if the Pentagon is facing vacancies at its highest levels in the coming months as members of the Joint Chiefs retire and their replacements face confirmation Schumer could file cloture and schedule some one-by-one votes to avoid gaps at DoD. | |||
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To do them one-by-one would require over a year with the Senate taking up no other business. That said, Schumer should have started just that instead of allowing an August recess. Prevent all those Republican Senators from getting back home to stroke and blow their donors and they would have leaned on Tuberville, hard. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Start it and break him. It is better than sitting there/here complaining about him. Put the heat up by forcing the one to one votes. | |||
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. . . and until then, the military and the country can just let one person in Congress screw the pooch. Makes perfect sense. Not. The GOP . . . the party of “no”. Mike | |||
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I guess if you don’t like living in a representative republic…you don’t have too. I suppose Senator Tuberville is acting on his constituents wishes and his beliefs. If they don’t like it…they can vote him out. If Senate leadership has the power and will to whip him in line…let them act. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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You guess? It is just as likely his constituents are are dumb as he is or do not care. Probably his supporters are made up of all three being in agreement, dumb, or do not care. There are ways of breaking his obstruction. I support them being pressure from leadership, denying him support in re-election if he continues, and a one to one vote until he folds. All the above need to happen. To Mjines point this type of obstinate behavior might play in Alabama, but his actions will be used in Campaigns in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Arizona where the voters will associate his actions with GOP candidates they will have to chose from. The result will be negative. Here in KY, opponents send out flyers in mayor races so and so are Nancy Pelosi’s best friend. They kill babies together while in vacation. Sen Tuberville, is going to cause the same association in battle found states above the Rs are going to need to win. | |||
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I'll repeat what I already posted: Compromising the readiness of our national defense and fucking over military folks who have dedicated their lives and careers to defending our country. All so tuberville can get re-elected by the anti-choice republican knuckle-draggers who populate Alabama. You can try to excuse this any way you like but it's flat wrong and even most republicans recognize it. >>>>Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) on Tuesday voiced his misgivings about Tuberville’s aggressive tactics. “I think holding these non-policy-making career military [officials] who can’t be involved in politics at all is a mistake and we continue to work on that and I hope at some point we can get it clear,” he told reporters. Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), the vice chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee and ranking member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, urged Tuberville on Tuesday to limit his holds to policy-making positions. “I’m very concerned about it and hope that Sen. Tuberville will reconsider and narrow his focus to only those individuals who have policy responsibilities,” Collins said. The Senate Armed Service Committee has approved 273 promotions that are now stuck on the floor because of Tuberville’ hold, according to a Senate aide. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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He's showing a why his assistant coaches must have been geniuses, because this dumber than a box of rocks couldn't win the prize in a cracker-jax box. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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You either like our form of government or you don’t. If he wrong for his constituents…his constituents will send him packing. If they approve…he will carry on. Hey, I thought you Democrats were tolerant of opposing views!? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It has zero to do with liking or disliking our form of government. You may think it's OK to undermine US military readiness with a political stunt just because the people in Alabama were stupid enough to elect this moron. Some of us beg to differ. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Making my point again^^^ You have disdain for the citizens of Alabama as well as Tommy. You would tyrannically over-rule them if you could. Precisely why I hope he sticks to his principles. The military will respond fine if called upon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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You are an over-educated dumbass. Tuberville's stunt will cost the lives of some of our troops if China decides to get adventurous or Putin panics. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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