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Like the below article mentions.....many republicans would much prefer to lose with fake dignity than win....



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Establishment Republicans would rather lose with honor and dignity than get their hands dirty and their noses bloodied in a street fight.

Politics ain’t beanbag, as the expression goes, except to genteel Republicans who prefer the wimp approach of giving a pleasant concession speech as opposed to taking the badass approach and punching back twice as hard when attacked.

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Greg Gutfield, one of the few remaining conservative voices on Fox News, made the case for Donald Trump on his recent show.

Watch or allow me to paraphrase:

When you are watching vintage Trump, you have to realize this is how he is going to be in meetings with people who are not friendly to the United States.


He is not a figurehead, he’s an agent, he’s your agent, he’s America’s lawyer. He’s in the room to represent his client, America. Your needs and your concerns. He’s supposed to be an asshole. He’s not interested in impressing the other people in the room.

I want an agent or a lawyer with that relentless energy that makes people upset. And the country needs that.



This guy is going to be that way in a room with people that have been screwing us over. You want the guy that nobody likes because they don’t like him for a reason.

Fortunately, I have never been through a divorce, sued anyone, nor been a criminal defendent. But if I did, I would want a lawyer who is tough, a badass, willing to fight tooth and nail for me the client. Not someone who puts up a civil and stately argument, while leaving his or her client on the losing end.


There is much hand-wringing and pearl-clutching among the Republican smart set over Trump’s demeanor, his mean tweets and name-calling, his eagerness to fight on the same scorched earth playing field as do Democrats.

Trump gives his opponents nicknames. It’s branding and he is a master of that due to his New York City upbringing and years in the business and reality television world. And it works. Just ask Low Energy Jeb, Little Marco, or Crooked Hillary.

But to the Wall Street Journal, National Review, and many on Fox News, this behavior is abhorrent. Were they upset with nicknames like “Bushitler”? Or Paul Ryan pushing granny in a wheelchair off a cliff? Or Mitt Romney supposedly not paying any taxes, killing his employees, and torturing his dog?

Are elected Republicans fighting a weaponized administrative state that accused Trump of colluding with the Russians to steal the 2016 election? Or 51 intelligence officials lying through their teeth about Hunter Biden’s laptop? Or the lawfare used against Trump? Or the credible allegations of election fraud?

No fight, only a few Congressional hearings and strongly worded tweets.

Meanwhile the American people are getting screwed. Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. American veterans are living in squalor on the streets while illegal aliens are living in luxury hotels, receiving food, healthcare, education, and other services that many hardworking Americans cannot afford.

Who is fighting for them?

Democrats instead are advocating for male athletes competing against women, tampons in boys’ bathrooms, and unlimited abortion of full-term babies. World War III is brewing with American young adults potentially drafted to fight and defend the borders of Israel, Ukraine, or Taiwan, while our border is left wide open.

Who are our advocates? Word-salad Kamala and Tampon Tim? Or the mean loudmouth with orange hair?

America is in decline, economically, socially, and culturally. Who will fight to stop or at least slow the decline? Reversing things is a tall order, even for Trump, given the forces marshalled against him – media, Hollywood, academia, Wall Street, much of his own party, and the fourth branch of government, the administrative state or ruling class.

Trump is willing to fight, unlike most elected Republicans and surrogates. Which is why Trump remains popular to this day, despite the fierce opposition, including a recent assassination attempt.

Do Trump supporters want to marry him? Live with him? Vacation with him? Be his valentine? No, they want an advocate, someone willing to roll up his sleeves and fight for them.

Trump isn’t the cause of this anti-establishment movement, instead he is the result of it. The Tea Party arose due to feckless Republican leadership under George W. Bush ushering in the reign of Barack Obama.

Trump and MAGA was the result of Republicans genuflecting to Obama, offering no pushback to his “fundamental transformation of America” which continues to this day.

Who is America’s advocate? Who is fighting for the Constitution, the rule of law? Who wants America first rather than America last?

The American people have little voice. We elect representatives to be our advocates. They talk a good game as candidates, but few follow through on those promises once in office. They may be nice and polite, but save that for the country club pool party, not the rough and tumble world of U.S. and global leadership.

Republican primary voters made their choice. Overwhelmingly. They chose, as Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg described him, “a badass.” Trump’s policies and accomplishments are the best since Reagan. It’s not about worshiping Trump but instead about results and making America great again.

As Trump described in a 2016 campaign rally,

Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People. There is nothing the political establishment will not do, and no lie they will not tell, to hold on to their prestige and power at your expense.

As Gutfield said, Trump is America’s advocate, its pitbull lawyer. So what if he can be an asshole at times? You’re not marrying the guy.

When it comes to your trial lawyer, your surgeon, or your president, you want the person who will fight like hell for your case, your life, or your country. So what if he’s full of himself and can at times be a jerk.

Better that than being left with a guilty verdict or in the morgue. It’s time to separate personality from performance.

When negotiating with Putin, Xi, or any other world leader, I don’t want Mr. Nice Guy representing me if he gets rolled by badass foreign leaders. I want a tough guy on my side, one our opponents fear. Out of fear comes respect. Whether they like my guy or not doesn’t matter.

When losing is not an option, we don’t want excuses, platitudes, and congenial words. We want a fighter.

As Dan Bongino likes to say, “Cutsey time is over.” Bring on the badass!





 
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The choice for America’s leadership is clear, and the contrast between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris represents a pivotal moment in our nation’s history. In evaluating who should lead us, it is crucial to reflect on the tangible results and the vision each candidate offers.

Donald Trump, with his track record of addressing critical issues such as hate crimes, gun violence, and human trafficking, presents a compelling case for support from both the working man and the businessman; Kamala Harris, as Biden’s political successor, represents a continuation of failed policies that have plagued our country over the past four years.

Donald Trump’s presidency was marked by decisive actions to combat some of the most pressing issues facing our society. His administration implemented robust measures to address hate crimes, gun violence, and human trafficking, laying a foundation for a safer and more just America. These initiatives were not just symbolic; they had real impacts on communities across the country, reflecting Trump’s commitment to creating a more secure environment for all Americans.

One of Trump’s notable actions was the signing of an executive order reinforcing that Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 applies to discrimination rooted in anti-semitism. This move was crucial in protecting minority communities from hate-fueled violence and discrimination. By clarifying and expanding the scope of civil rights protections, Trump not only addressed a pressing societal issue but also strengthened the legal framework against hate crimes.

Economically, creating a safer society translates into more vibrant and stable communities. Businesses thrive in environments where people feel secure, and families can invest in their futures without fear. The economic implications of a more secure society are profound, contributing to a stronger economy overall. This is particularly evident in regions that have historically struggled with higher rates of violence and discrimination, where the economic benefits of enhanced safety and stability are most pronounced.

Trump’s administration also made significant strides in addressing gun violence through the Fix NICS Act. This legislation aimed to improve the background check system to ensure that dangerous individuals could not acquire firearms. By closing gaps in the system, Trump’s administration took a crucial step towards preventing violent crimes and protecting communities.

The economic argument for addressing gun violence is compelling. Communities plagued by high rates of gun violence often face economic stagnation due to lower property values, reduced investment, and increased healthcare costs. By working to mitigate these issues, Trump’s policies helped to foster a more conducive environment for economic growth and development.


Recognizing the importance of safeguarding America’s children, Trump signed the STOP School Violence Act and established a Commission on School Safety. These initiatives were designed to examine and implement strategies to protect students from violence. This focus on school safety not only addresses immediate threats but also contributes to long-term educational and economic outcomes. Safe schools are essential for a productive workforce, as they ensure that students can focus on learning rather than being preoccupied with safety concerns.

The economic benefits of investing in school safety are clear. By creating safer learning environments, we reduce the long-term costs associated with violence and create a more capable future workforce. Additionally, parents are more likely to invest in communities where their children are safe, further boosting local economies.



Trump’s administration also launched the Foster Youth to Independence initiative, aimed at preventing and ending homelessness among young adults transitioning out of the foster care system. This initiative was a vital step in addressing the unique challenges faced by these young individuals, offering them a pathway to stability and success.

Economically, investing in the well-being of youth transitioning out of foster care has significant benefits. By providing support and resources, we reduce the likelihood of these individuals facing long-term economic hardships, such as unemployment and poverty. This investment in human capital ultimately contributes to a more robust and resilient economy.


One of Trump’s most impactful initiatives was his relentless fight against human trafficking. The Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, signed during his presidency, tightened criteria for evaluating countries’ efforts to combat trafficking. Additionally, Trump established a task force dedicated to addressing the issue of missing or murdered Native American women and girls, demonstrating a comprehensive approach to tackling this grave issue.

Trump’s administration created the first-ever White House position focused solely on combating human trafficking. This move highlighted the seriousness with which Trump approached the issue, ensuring that it received the attention and resources necessary to make a difference. Trafficking often has far-reaching economic consequences, including the costs associated with law enforcement, healthcare, and social services, not to mention the human cost. By addressing this issue, Trump’s administration helped to reduce the impact and create a more stable environment for economic growth.

As the Democrat nominee, Kamala Harris represents a continuation of the policies that have led to significant challenges over the past four years. Under Biden-Harris, we have seen a rise in crime, increased economic uncertainty, and a lack of effective action on critical issues such as human trafficking and gun violence. Harris, as Biden’s political successor, intends to perpetuate these failed policies, which have already had detrimental effects on American communities and the economy.

Their handling of these issues has been marked by inaction and ineffective measures. The rise in crime and the lack of progress reflect a broader failure to protect and serve the American people; Harris’s continuation of these policies would only exacerbate these problems, leading to further economic and social instability.

In the upcoming election, Donald Trump offers a clear and compelling alternative to the failed policies of progressive Democrats. His implementation of strong measures to address hate crimes, gun violence, and human trafficking speaks to his commitment to creating a safer and more prosperous America. For both the working man and the businessman, Trump’s presidency demonstrated tangible benefits, from improved safety and reduced crime rates to enhanced economic stability.

By contrast, Kamala Harris represents a continuation of policies that have failed to address these critical issues effectively. Voting for Trump is not just a choice for a different policy approach but a vote for a safer, more secure, and economically vibrant America. As we approach this pivotal election, it is essential to consider not only the past but also the future that each candidate promises. Donald Trump’s vision for America offers hope and a clear path to recovery and growth, making him the best choice for our nation’s future.



But....if you want more tampons in boys restrooms, more illegal aliens.... More economic malaise....by all means don't vote Trump.

He wasn't my choice in the primary, I was firmly behind DeSantis...but as of now there are only two choices.
 
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Truly sorry to hear about your economic issues Jim. I have not seen much economic malaise since Trump shut the economy down during Covid. The recovery has treated me very well. I hope things improve for you soon beer
 
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Dignity as far as the MAGA ARSEHOLE is concerned???



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Any article that starts out lamenting the fact that Greg Gutfeld is "one of the few remaining conservative voices at FOX News" deserves to be used as asswipe, not to be read.


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Any article that starts out lamenting the fact that Greg Gutfeld is "one of the few remaining conservative voices at FOX News" deserves to be used as a$$wipe, not to be read.


to think, i would have thought greg's tax return would have said "comic" -


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In reply to Gutfield, id remind him that we have experience with Trump.

President Trump failed with corona, failed in DPRK, failed in Afghanistan.

Because of Trump's combative style, Trump failed to achieve consensus domestically and internationally. Trumps name calling oddly enough put off other "rulers" he should have been allying with.

Looking forward with the above as a resume, Trump has previously called for the suspension of the Constitution, has said he'd pardon January 6th convicts and has supported the idea of military tribunals for his fellow Americans.

Gutfield is no more or less than a sniveling, cowardly talking head like Carlson and hell no, I'm not voting for Trump.
 
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If Trump had the intelligence and ability to come across as reasonably conservative, both fiscally and socially, he could easily win this election. He does not have that ability, because he doesn't have the intelligence. He is already looking for excuses for his loss, for something to blame other than his own failings. If we get stuck with Kamala, it will be Trump's fault and the fault of his followers for refusing to run a decent candidate. Bill
 
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Originally posted by Scott King:

President Trump failed with corona....


Honest question - seriously -

Let's unpack that -
wanted to block travel from China - Biden called him xenophobic
(was a little distracted by the impeachment) -
Rolled out a huge mobile hospital to NYS, unused
put hospital ships in NYC, unused
started operation warp speed, creating new therapeutics for an prior unknown "novel" virus - was said it could take 5 years to dev a vax .. still might, as it's not a vax, but it's been pushed on the majority of americans
issued (regardless of veracity) guidance on how to prevent the spread -

so, in failing corona, what could he have done MORE for it?

oh, this past 2 weeks, more people i know or co-workers, are stilling getting it, and one I don't know, good ole joe, are getting it - even triple vaxxed ...

So, what could have, with the knowledge in the moment, gone better?

and, of course, more americans died from covid under biden's watch than trumps - that's a result of time, not of presidential effort, but it's measurable


Trump didn't kill 10-15k people by forcing active covid cases into nursing homes and THEN under report the deaths - THIS is failing


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
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Originally posted by Scott King:

President Trump failed with corona....


Honest question - seriously -

Let's unpack that -
wanted to block travel from China - Biden called him xenophobic
(was a little distracted by the impeachment) -
Rolled out a huge mobile hospital to NYS, unused
put hospital ships in NYC, unused
started operation warp speed, creating new therapeutics for an prior unknown "novel" virus - was said it could take 5 years to dev a vax .. still might, as it's not a vax, but it's been pushed on the majority of americans
issued (regardless of veracity) guidance on how to prevent the spread -

so, in failing corona, what could he have done MORE for it?

oh, this past 2 weeks, more people i know or co-workers, are stilling getting it, and one I don't know, good ole joe, are getting it - even triple vaxxed ...

So, what could have, with the knowledge in the moment, gone better?

and, of course, more americans died from covid under biden's watch than trumps - that's a result of time, not of presidential effort, but it's measurable


Trump didn't kill 10-15k people by forcing active covid cases into nursing homes and THEN under report the deaths - THIS is failing


People have short memories. Especially here.


~Ann





 
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If Trump had the intelligence and ability to come across as reasonably conservative, both fiscally and socially, he could easily win this election. He does not have that ability, because he doesn't have the intelligence. He is already looking for excuses for his loss, for something to blame other than his own failings. If we get stuck with Kamala, it will be Trump's fault and the fault of his followers for refusing to run a decent candidate. Bill


Exactly I have been saying this for a while now!
 
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Like the below article mentions.....many republicans would much prefer to lose with fake dignity than win....


Does any one name in particular come to mind? Whistling


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J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
If Trump had the intelligence and ability to come across as reasonably conservative, both fiscally and socially, he could easily win this election. He does not have that ability, because he doesn't have the intelligence. He is already looking for excuses for his loss, for something to blame other than his own failings. If we get stuck with Kamala, it will be Trump's fault and the fault of his followers for refusing to run a decent candidate. Bill


I wrote in Rick Perry in my Primary. But make no mistake, I definitely support him in the General over Kami and Timi!


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J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Originally posted by Scott King:

President Trump failed with corona....


Honest question - seriously -

Let's unpack that -
wanted to block travel from China - Biden called him xenophobic
(was a little distracted by the impeachment) -
Rolled out a huge mobile hospital to NYS, unused
put hospital ships in NYC, unused
started operation warp speed, creating new therapeutics for an prior unknown "novel" virus - was said it could take 5 years to dev a vax .. still might, as it's not a vax, but it's been pushed on the majority of americans
issued (regardless of veracity) guidance on how to prevent the spread -

so, in failing corona, what could he have done MORE for it?

oh, this past 2 weeks, more people i know or co-workers, are stilling getting it, and one I don't know, good ole joe, are getting it - even triple vaxxed ...

So, what could have, with the knowledge in the moment, gone better?

and, of course, more americans died from covid under biden's watch than trumps - that's a result of time, not of presidential effort, but it's measurable


Trump didn't kill 10-15k people by forcing active covid cases into nursing homes and THEN under report the deaths - THIS is failing


People have short memories. Especially here.


https://natlawreview.com/artic...rosecutions-are-rise

I think it said 17% of the distributions were fraudulent?

Yes ann, especially here people have, short memories willful ignorance.
 
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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
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Originally posted by Scott King:

President Trump failed with corona....


Honest question - seriously -

Let's unpack that -
wanted to block travel from China - Biden called him xenophobic
(was a little distracted by the impeachment) -
Rolled out a huge mobile hospital to NYS, unused
put hospital ships in NYC, unused
started operation warp speed, creating new therapeutics for an prior unknown "novel" virus - was said it could take 5 years to dev a vax .. still might, as it's not a vax, but it's been pushed on the majority of americans
issued (regardless of veracity) guidance on how to prevent the spread -

so, in failing corona, what could he have done MORE for it?

oh, this past 2 weeks, more people i know or co-workers, are stilling getting it, and one I don't know, good ole joe, are getting it - even triple vaxxed ...

So, what could have, with the knowledge in the moment, gone better?

and, of course, more americans died from covid under biden's watch than trumps - that's a result of time, not of presidential effort, but it's measurable


Trump didn't kill 10-15k people by forcing active covid cases into nursing homes and THEN under report the deaths - THIS is failing


People have short memories. Especially here.


https://natlawreview.com/artic...rosecutions-are-rise

I think it said 17% of the distributions were fraudulent?

Yes ann, especially here people have, short memories willful ignorance.


PPP loan scammers? while trumps signature is on the label, it has nancy's pawprints all over it -

but what could trump have done "better" in your opinion, but based on information available at the time?

wanna talk abject failures of gummit spending? let's try solyndra


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
 
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What we should have done: Warned the public a virus is circulating — be warned to limit your exposure and take precautions. Spent money on the development of treatment strategies and vaccines.

Offered vaccines to people with warnings to take at your own discretion.

But most of all…carry on life as normal as possible.


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J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Originally posted by Scott King:
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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
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Originally posted by Scott King:

President Trump failed with corona....


Honest question - seriously -

Let's unpack that -
wanted to block travel from China - Biden called him xenophobic
(was a little distracted by the impeachment) -
Rolled out a huge mobile hospital to NYS, unused
put hospital ships in NYC, unused
started operation warp speed, creating new therapeutics for an prior unknown "novel" virus - was said it could take 5 years to dev a vax .. still might, as it's not a vax, but it's been pushed on the majority of americans
issued (regardless of veracity) guidance on how to prevent the spread -

so, in failing corona, what could he have done MORE for it?

oh, this past 2 weeks, more people i know or co-workers, are stilling getting it, and one I don't know, good ole joe, are getting it - even triple vaxxed ...

So, what could have, with the knowledge in the moment, gone better?

and, of course, more americans died from covid under biden's watch than trumps - that's a result of time, not of presidential effort, but it's measurable


Trump didn't kill 10-15k people by forcing active covid cases into nursing homes and THEN under report the deaths - THIS is failing


People have short memories. Especially here.


https://natlawreview.com/artic...rosecutions-are-rise

I think it said 17% of the distributions were fraudulent?

Yes ann, especially here people have, short memories willful ignorance.


PPP loan scammers? while trumps signature is on the label, it has nancy's pawprints all over it -

but what could trump have done "better" in your opinion, but based on information available at the time?

wanna talk abject failures of gummit spending? let's try solyndra


Not exactly as Sen. McConnell told a group of us he voted for it because it was necessary. So, no it was not a Dem thing. It was a bipartisan thing.
 
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Like the below article mentions.....many republicans would much prefer to lose with fake dignity than win....


Does any one name in particular come to mind? Whistling



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Originally posted by Scott King:

President Trump failed with corona....


Honest question - seriously -

Let's unpack that -
wanted to block travel from China - Biden called him xenophobic
(was a little distracted by the impeachment) -
Rolled out a huge mobile hospital to NYS, unused
put hospital ships in NYC, unused
started operation warp speed, creating new therapeutics for an prior unknown "novel" virus - was said it could take 5 years to dev a vax .. still might, as it's not a vax, but it's been pushed on the majority of americans
issued (regardless of veracity) guidance on how to prevent the spread -

so, in failing corona, what could he have done MORE for it?

oh, this past 2 weeks, more people i know or co-workers, are stilling getting it, and one I don't know, good ole joe, are getting it - even triple vaxxed ...

So, what could have, with the knowledge in the moment, gone better?

and, of course, more americans died from covid under biden's watch than trumps - that's a result of time, not of presidential effort, but it's measurable


Trump didn't kill 10-15k people by forcing active covid cases into nursing homes and THEN under report the deaths - THIS is failing


People have short memories. Especially here.


Its not a short memory.....its a selective memory!
 
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Well, Scott mentioned the vaccine…

It is a vaccine, just not a particularly useful one nor one that achieved the hype it was claimed to do.
 
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Never bring a knife to a gunfight. Dems and msm are a vicious cadre hell bent on destroying any person with an opposing view point. Win an important election or position…expect to be brought up on legal charges. Nice guys finish last has never been more apropos. Until Democrats take control of the party BACK from loan forgiveness, tampons for boys, free drug paraphernalia, defund the police, open borders, animal rights freaks, anti hunting freaks, lunatic left and the msm propaganda arm, Trump and all his assholishness are just what the Doctor ordered. Pun intended Lane!
 
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Originally posted by Scott King:

President Trump failed with corona....


Honest question - seriously -

Let's unpack that -
wanted to block travel from China - Biden called him xenophobic
(was a little distracted by the impeachment) -
Rolled out a huge mobile hospital to NYS, unused
put hospital ships in NYC, unused
started operation warp speed, creating new therapeutics for an prior unknown "novel" virus - was said it could take 5 years to dev a vax .. still might, as it's not a vax, but it's been pushed on the majority of americans
issued (regardless of veracity) guidance on how to prevent the spread -

so, in failing corona, what could he have done MORE for it?

oh, this past 2 weeks, more people i know or co-workers, are stilling getting it, and one I don't know, good ole joe, are getting it - even triple vaxxed ...

So, what could have, with the knowledge in the moment, gone better?

and, of course, more americans died from covid under biden's watch than trumps - that's a result of time, not of presidential effort, but it's measurable


Trump didn't kill 10-15k people by forcing active covid cases into nursing homes and THEN under report the deaths - THIS is failing


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I am not reading anything about what trump good have done better with the knowledge at hand at the time. I am open to hearing it


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President Trump failed with corona....


Honest question - seriously -

Let's unpack that -
wanted to block travel from China - Biden called him xenophobic
(was a little distracted by the impeachment) -
Rolled out a huge mobile hospital to NYS, unused
put hospital ships in NYC, unused
started operation warp speed, creating new therapeutics for an prior unknown "novel" virus - was said it could take 5 years to dev a vax .. still might, as it's not a vax, but it's been pushed on the majority of americans
issued (regardless of veracity) guidance on how to prevent the spread -

so, in failing corona, what could he have done MORE for it?

oh, this past 2 weeks, more people i know or co-workers, are stilling getting it, and one I don't know, good ole joe, are getting it - even triple vaxxed ...

So, what could have, with the knowledge in the moment, gone better?

and, of course, more americans died from covid under biden's watch than trumps - that's a result of time, not of presidential effort, but it's measurable


Trump didn't kill 10-15k people by forcing active covid cases into nursing homes and THEN under report the deaths - THIS is failing


Scott
Not picking on you.

I am not reading anything about what trump good have done better with the knowledge at hand at the time. I am open to hearing it


More than one way to answer I think.

I'm skeptical that either you or I or any other regular guy has a handle of the "knowledge on hand". I think we know now the shutdown was a mistake, the vaccine didn't work as sold and corona certainly isn't going away. What did Trump's admin know then? Beats me. If anyone should have known anything right then and at that moment it was that the shutdown was suicidal for the kids and the working economy. I never did think there was any magic money tree, you just can't send everyone home to sit and do nothing, pay them for it and figure it'll all balance out.

Specifically to PPP, if you can't administer a fund any better than to allow 20% fraud, maybe you shouldn't be a fund manager.

What's really the point though,is that we don't hire these guys to try,btp make an effort,bto really mean to,bwe hire these guys to win. To succeed. As the Boss, you don't get to say, "Nancy wouldn't let me!" You don't get to cop out with the competition was mean, "I just didn't know!" Theres no gold star on the forehead for trying, no trophy for participation.

Custer, Patton, Grant, Eisenhower were popular and remembered because they won.
Washington beat King George, he succeeded. Churchill beat Germany,bye won.

Trump didn't win,he lost. I don't care about his efforts, Trump was POTUS to, "Make America Great Again!". "Make" not "Try". He didn't.
 
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We should have never shut down…fact.

But if you think Trump did that wrong…just check out how Walz dove off the deep end wearing a lead deep diving belt.

That guy is bat-shit crazy. He makes Kami look conservative.


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Just for rebuttal

The house controls the purse, and administers the funds and funding.

The States decided lockdowns not trump

Remember 2 weeks to flatten the curve?

Trump gave NYS everything Andy the love gov asked for. Most of which he never used.

But I ask again, if ANYONE else was in the POTUS what would they have done differently and better?

The only "plan" I saw in this administration was to push the vax. That's it.

The trump vax, that madcow first said she would never take, then famously demanded everyone take it.


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We should have never shut down…fact.

But if you think Trump did that wrong…just check out how Walz dove off the deep end wearing a lead deep diving belt.

That guy is bat-shit crazy. He makes Kami look conservative.


Again and as always, (I've said this several times to Jeff and it's obviously not going to sink in,) I flat refuse to accept or legitimize based on what others did.



"W" did not win in Afghanistan. Period as in Period, all stop.

Obama, (Hope!) did not win in Afghanistan. Period. That "W" had anything to do with anything is superfluous. Obama didn't win.


Trump, (Make America Great Again!" did not win in Afghanistan. All stop.

Biden,........ Roll Eyes


It a setup for failure to knee jerk point fingers across the aisle instead of taking the responsibility on ourselves to succeed.

The argument I'm reading here is that somehow Trump earning a grade of F+ is superior to Bidens earned grade of F-.

I'm not buying it.
 
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Like the below article mentions.....many republicans would much prefer to lose with fake dignity than win....


Does any one name in particular come to mind? Whistling



Snort.


There is no fake dignity to it.

I would rather lose than win by the means Trump was trying to employ post election. Those means are against our Constitution.

Neither Party is enshrined in our Common to self political power. I would rather live in a world where Dems could beat GOPers at the polls, than a world where a minority uses violence to impose a result. I would rather live in a world where a Dem wins than a world where a man who calls for the suspension of the Constitution welds political power.

I would rather live in a world of bad policy instead of either a) illegitimate means taking power or b) a perfect world by my design.

I would rather live in a world the limits legislative action against its people when the only controlling principle for legislation is, @ I think those people are gross bc my pastor said so, and you have to pray like I do.”
 
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Yep, you would cut your nose off to spite your face. We learned that long ago. coffee


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That, or Josh still has a functioning moral compass Wink
 
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That, or Josh still has a functioning moral compass Wink


By having a moral compass I take that you mean not protecting our borders from illegal invasion and drug smuggling? Not protecting our citizens from crime and destroying our economy.

Got it!
 
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That, or Josh still has a functioning moral compass Wink


I have one. It says try to keep a (D) away from executive power executive power.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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That, or Josh still has a functioning moral compass Wink


I have one. It says try to keep a (D) away from executive power executive power.


That's a great point!!!


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That, or Josh still has a functioning moral compass Wink


By having a moral compass I take that you mean not protecting our borders from illegal invasion and drug smuggling? Not protecting our citizens from crime and destroying our economy.

Got it!


I was thinking more along the lines of not supporting a lying, cheating, philandering, felon that tried to steal a presidential election myself. Big Grin
 
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My moral compass on this matter is what I have written.
 
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The president is neither an advocate nor a figurehead.

The president is supposed to enforce the laws of the country as passed by congress, and administer the nation based on his policy beliefs as subjected to the constitution.

He is not a figurehead as he has real power, albeit very narrowly defined.

The place for advocacy is in court.
 
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I have one. It says try to keep a (D) away from executive power executive power.


And vote for a lying, philandering, narcissistic seditionist who is a convicted felon. tu2 Only you could characterize that as indicative of a moral compass.


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