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In the world of artificial intelligence, the idea of “singularity” looms large. This slippery concept describes the moment AI exceeds beyond human control and rapidly transforms society. The tricky thing about AI singularity (and why it borrows terminology from black hole physics) is that it’s enormously difficult to predict where it begins and nearly impossible to know what’s beyond this technological “event horizon.”

However, some AI researchers are on the hunt for signs of reaching singularity measured by AI progress approaching the skills and ability comparable to a human.


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there's a stage before "skynet" (ASI - artificial super intelligence) - it's called AGI - artificial general intelligence, it's literally written into openAI's corporate documents, of when AI reaches the average intelligence of "the average" human - (aka, the turing test)

it's been hinted that this AGI has already been reached -

Sam Altman states that we are WAY closer to AGI than you might think - here's a snippet on it

https://youtu.be/Cz6cuGKR_Jo?s...I_A4PnHiAQh9Do&t=520
i am 1000% certain that AI, in specialized areas, far exceeds "the average" human intelligence, in SPECIFIC and Specialized areas


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The Technological Singularity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ological_singularity

Technological Singularity


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The quiet part is spoken in discussions concerning "alignment", the goals AI pursues. So far they are chosen by humans programming AI.

Near as I can tell from what I'm sure is heavily managed news, AI does not yet generate anything new. Its uses are more in the realm of aggregating existing knowledge than generating anything really new. This enables an imaginative human to make connections that would be out of reach, unassisted. Things will change when the program starts making random changes to the initial conditions and runs out the resulting scenarios to completion. I do not think this is a difficult step to take, but I am uneducated in the field and don't really know.

There was something with the name "E-states" proposed in the middle 1970s, well before PCs.
I can't find a reference to it now.
It had to do with goals...


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Tom,
here's a case from 2022, that prior to the case (like 3 years? back when i was messing about with tensor flow and the intel ai usb sticks) that AI had created "new art" and was listed on the patent - the patent office refused
https://www.bitlaw.com/source/...s/patent/Thaler.html

AI finds new stuff all the time - new medicines, new materials, astronomy data, advanced pattern recognition (more important than one might think), etc --

it can even write fiction and non-fiction, if the prompt is well connected .. music, videos, pictures, "art" music, etc -flipped context, write in other peoples' voices, etc --

for example, one could take the words from churchill and put into jesse jackson's distinctive talking cadence, and have kermit the from perform the same, in a video, while using marah carey's "whistle register" for voice ...

it can do these things NOW --

it also makes errors and hallucinations (lies, if you like) famously a lawyer used an early version of chatgpt to write a legal brief, and the AI completely fabricated referenced court cases --

but, hey, you can "play" with it, in a limited fashion, for free
https://chatgpt.com/

you could use a prompt, of let's say, "what were the top 5 reasons for the decline of the western roman empire" --

then, after it generates the response, ask it to take that and say "now, compare these to the current status of the US"

or "write a python script to create an archive of my computer and move it to my onedrive " .. then ask it to revise to use rust and copy to my drive.google.com account

sure sure, one can say it's not "thinking" but it does display all the HUMAN hallmarks of "knowledge integration" as well as making mistakes (ask any chatbot "how many r's are there in the word strawberry" ...)

here's the prompt "define the concepts around knowledge integration"
quote:
Knowledge integration refers to the process of combining and synthesizing knowledge from diverse sources to create a more comprehensive and actionable understanding. This process involves aligning different types of knowledge (e.g., explicit, tacit, individual, organizational, or disciplinary knowledge) to solve complex problems, innovate, or make informed decisions. It plays a critical role in organizations, research, and learning systems where the integration of diverse expertise and perspectives enhances performance and innovation.

Here are key concepts related to knowledge integration:

1. Explicit Knowledge
Definition: Knowledge that is easily articulated, documented, and shared. It is often codified in manuals, databases, reports, or online resources.
Role in Integration: Explicit knowledge can be directly transferred and integrated across different contexts and individuals.
2. Tacit Knowledge
Definition: Knowledge gained through personal experience, skills, and insights that are hard to formalize or communicate. It is often embedded in actions, routines, and practice.
Role in Integration: Tacit knowledge is more difficult to transfer and integrate because it resides within individuals. However, sharing and capturing tacit knowledge is essential for effective integration, often through collaboration, mentoring, or communities of practice.
3. Interdisciplinary Integration
Definition: The combination of knowledge from different academic disciplines or fields of expertise.
Role in Integration: Cross-disciplinary knowledge integration is often necessary for solving complex problems that cannot be addressed within the scope of a single discipline.
4. Organizational Knowledge Integration
Definition: The process by which an organization combines individual knowledge, expertise, and information into a unified, collective understanding that drives decision-making and innovation.
Role in Integration: This often involves knowledge sharing platforms, collaborative networks, and processes that encourage communication across departments or teams.
5. Knowledge Transfer
Definition: The process by which knowledge is shared between individuals, teams, or organizations.
Role in Integration: Knowledge transfer is a key element of knowledge integration because it enables different parts of an organization (or different organizations) to exchange knowledge, leading to its broader integration.
6. Collaborative Knowledge Creation
Definition: Knowledge that is jointly created by individuals or groups working together, often through collaborative technologies and platforms.
Role in Integration: Collaboration fosters the integration of different perspectives and expertise, leading to the creation of new knowledge.
7. Knowledge Synthesizing
Definition: The process of combining various pieces of knowledge from multiple sources to create a coherent understanding or new insights.
Role in Integration: Knowledge synthesizing is about finding connections between previously disparate knowledge pieces and organizing them in a way that they can be applied to new contexts.
8. Absorptive Capacity
Definition: The ability of an individual, group, or organization to recognize the value of new information, assimilate it, and apply it to commercial ends.
Role in Integration: High absorptive capacity is necessary for effective knowledge integration, as it determines how well an entity can incorporate and apply new knowledge from external and internal sources.
9. Cultural Barriers to Knowledge Integration
Definition: Cultural differences in values, communication styles, and organizational norms that can hinder the effective integration of knowledge across different groups.
Role in Integration: Overcoming these barriers requires fostering trust, shared understanding, and a culture of openness to diverse perspectives.
10. Technology and Tools for Knowledge Integration
Definition: Tools such as knowledge management systems, artificial intelligence, data analytics, and collaborative software that facilitate the integration of knowledge.
Role in Integration: These tools play a central role in enabling the storage, retrieval, sharing, and analysis of knowledge, helping to break down silos and foster greater integration.
11. Dynamic Capabilities
Definition: The ability of an organization to integrate, build, and reconfigure internal and external resources and capabilities to address rapidly changing environments.
Role in Integration: Organizations with strong dynamic capabilities are better at integrating new knowledge quickly, allowing them to adapt and innovate more effectively.
12. Knowledge Management (KM)
Definition: The systematic management of an organization’s knowledge assets to create value and meet strategic objectives.
Role in Integration: KM systems and processes are key to structuring and facilitating the integration of knowledge, often through databases, communication tools, and collaborative networks.
13. Learning Organization
Definition: An organization that continuously transforms itself by facilitating the learning of its members and the integration of new knowledge.
Role in Integration: Such organizations promote the sharing and application of knowledge across all levels, fostering the integration of new ideas into organizational processes.
14. Cross-Functional Teams
Definition: Teams composed of members from different departments, skills, or areas of expertise.
Role in Integration: Cross-functional teams facilitate the integration of diverse knowledge and foster innovative solutions by drawing on different perspectives and expertise.
In summary, knowledge integration is a dynamic, multifaceted process involving the combining of explicit and tacit knowledge from diverse sources. It requires tools, structures, and practices that enable individuals and organizations to synthesize new insights and apply them to solve problems and drive innovation. The success of knowledge integration depends on collaboration, the willingness to share, and an organization's ability to absorb and adapt new knowledge.


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My take on it is "they" say that at or after the singularity AI will be capable of assessing human nature, individually or on a broad scale, and manipulation.

The manipulation might take several forms but foremost it will be information which includes real stuff along with mis/disinformation and lies.

Right now, in general, "WE" don't handle information well. That's proven. And there are consequences ranging from climate science denial to the election of Trump.

I'm sure people like Elon Musk know how to use post-singularity AI, or think they do.

My point is that humanity is helpless against AI manipulation of information benevolent or malevolent.

Right now, a large portion of humanity is helpless against the flood the zone type of fiction per Trumpism. Some believe his fiction is benevolent. Others think it is malevolent.

So, why would we think post-singularity AI will be benevolent if it learns from humans?


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"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

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Out of all those definitions, as an engineer I'd say that "Interdisciplinary Integration" is an important matter.
We are to some extent stovepiped in our knowledge, Each of us knows more and more about less and less.
Polymaths integrate, but are limited if their depth of knowledge is shallow.

AI might be best viewed as a tool at this point, though this could change.
A computer program is built in the image of the human mind that created it.
For now.

I dimly remember a discussion from the late 1970s, whether the Registered Professional Engineer is responsible for errors resulting from the computer software he uses. Of course, who else would be?


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arguable the PE would be responsible for what he put his stamp on and signed - just like the lawyer in my above example was found to be

you did say the 70s, right? where they still stamped and signed, or is that just a texas PE thing?


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How much of AI is just linear logic and how much is nonlinear?

Can fake assumptions be included in the algorithms? Yes.

For example, deviant behaviour is contrary to normal logic and ethics. The body of knowledge on the spectrum of deviant behaviour is already available. Making primary assumptions on deviant human behaviour for any models can then include false information because it is already modelling deviant behaviour.

Decision making models can be skewed with such primary assumptions.

It gets really tricky with grey and contentious areas such as Trump's criminality. Were his 34 convictions really criminal?

How will AI modelling work on either preventing, controlling or expanding criminal activity?

The Heritage foundation and its 2000 plus think tanks, research orgs, charities etc. have been building "Bodies of knowledge" for 40+ years that just cross reference each other. There no peer review from other credible research orgs or universities. Now the Right has actually penetrated mainstream universities with alt-right "experts".

Epistemology is being pushed even further into the dark. An age of relative truth and relative scientific rigour are here for good.


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you whole post was covered in two sentences, by me, little naki - AI's can be forced to "hallucinate" by bad prompts - which is a trivial part of the conversation .. oh, sorry honey, i know, i know, you are best at misunderstanding and misstating even the most trivial parts

hey, after 4 years of biden, how well did you "business" (it's called a hobby if you don't get paid) improve under biden, after it crashed under obama?

sad sad little man -


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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
arguable the PE would be responsible for what he put his stamp on and signed - just like the lawyer in my above example was found to be

you did say the 70s, right? where they still stamped and signed, or is that just a texas PE thing?


Indeed, it is a nationwide requirement for specific kinds of projects. Most projects requiring a P.E. in responsible charge are civic engineering projects. The industrial exemption covers much of what remains, and most jobs with engineering titles do not require registration. A person offering engineering services as an individual is required to be registered in the places where I've lived (various states in the USA).


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