Abbott kills 2 more....

03 August 2023, 16:55

Two bodies have been found stuck in the lines of orange buoys installed by Texas authorities in the Rio Grande along the U.S.-Mexico border, Mexican officials said.

The Texas Department of Public Safety notified the Mexican Consulate in Eagle Pass, Texas, on Wednesday afternoon that a person was found dead in the southern part of the floating barriers. Members of the Mexican National Institute of Migration's assistance unit, Grupos Beta, are spearheading efforts to recover the body, according to the Mexican Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

"So far, the cause of death and nationality of the person is unknown," the ministry said in a statement on Wednesday.

03 August 2023, 17:06

bluefish

Don’t do the crime if…

03 August 2023, 17:39

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by bluefish:
Don’t do the crime if…

No sympathy with them at all.

Breaking and entering.

But what does expect in America?

Store guards who stop robbers are fired!

03 August 2023, 19:08

Huvius

That should send the message...

The buoys work as advertised.

03 August 2023, 20:27

JTEX

quote:
Originally posted by Huvius:
That should send the message...

The buoys work as advertised.

03 August 2023, 20:30

LHeym500

quote:
Originally posted by bluefish:
Don’t do the crime if…

You mean the dearth penalty for a misdemeanor.

When under current and long standing S. Ct., precedent Texas dues not have this authority.

03 August 2023, 21:19

bluefish

No, I mean stay the fuck out of our country if you cannot come here legally. Pretty damned basic if you ask me.

03 August 2023, 21:27

LHeym500

The crime is a misdemeanor that you are not upset to see death for.

Again, Tx does not have the authority to enforce border policy.

03 August 2023, 21:34

tomahawker

Cry me a river. Pun intended. Lots and lots of American citizens drown while on vacation. Where is the post about that?

03 August 2023, 21:47

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by bluefish:
No, I mean stay the fuck out of our country if you cannot come here legally. Pretty damned basic if you ask me.

Did your ancestors gave permission from the original owners of the land??

03 August 2023, 22:20

jdollar

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
quote:
Originally posted by bluefish:
Don’t do the crime if…

You mean the dearth penalty for a misdemeanor.

When under current and long standing S. Ct., precedent Texas dues not have this authority.

So if you’re jaywalking and get killed, it’s the driver’s fault, even though you stepped out between 2 parked cars?? I have zero sympathy for anyone trying to enter the country illegally. STAY THE FUCK HOME OR EMIGRATE LEGALLY!

03 August 2023, 22:22

jdollar

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by bluefish:
No, I mean stay the fuck out of our country if you cannot come here legally. Pretty damned basic if you ask me.

Did your ancestors gave permission from the original owners of the land??

I think the world has changed a bit in the last 500 years- except in the Middle East of course…

03 August 2023, 22:23

theback40

They shouldnt have been trying to steal the buoys!

03 August 2023, 23:51

bluefish

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by bluefish:
No, I mean stay the fuck out of our country if you cannot come here legally. Pretty damned basic if you ask me.

Did your ancestors gave permission from the original owners of the land??

Sheik

You know as well as anyone else here the entire story of human evolution and civilization centers around one group taking from another group to establish a toehold on land. There is nothing to apologize for because there would be no end to the apologies.

04 August 2023, 02:28

DuggaBoye

quote:
You mean the dearth penalty for a misdemeanor.

INVASION -
should not be a misdemeanor.

04 August 2023, 03:20

LHeym500

Well, despite decade of raw meat, send donations to us GOP politicking, to enter the country without permission is a MISDEMEANOR.

Take it up w Congress.

Oh, when Mexico tried to break the Anglo settlers in Texas, Mexican said the same thing you say today.

Just like a State cannot nullify a Federal Law. A state cannot take for itself due authority regulated to the Federal Government.

04 August 2023, 04:31

jeffeosso

Question: Tell me you've never been to Texas without telling me you've never been to Texas

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
A state cannot take for itself due authority regulated to the Federal Government.

04 August 2023, 04:42

DuggaBoye

he has been to DSC he has said - so yes, he has visited.

it is rather impudent to try to teach Texas history to a member of a Texas Land Grant Family
( hint: as in from the King of Spain)

particularly without knowing whether that family was Spanish or not.

nor knowing how many signators to the Texas Declaration of Independence were Spanish

04 August 2023, 04:42

LHeym500

I have been to Texas; 4x.

I also know Spanish-Texans fought for independence from Mexico.

It does not CHS he the same arguments you make were made by Mexico during the Anglo-Texas War.

04 August 2023, 04:44

RolandtheHeadless

quote:
Well, despite decade of raw meat, send donations to us GOP politicking, to enter the country without permission is a MISDEMEANOR.

I think you misspoke there. To enter or be in this country as a foreign national without US permission is not even a misdemeanor. It's an administrative violation.

The penalty is deportation. They don't impose prison sentences no matter how many times you enter illegally.

04 August 2023, 04:46

LHeym500

To overstay a visa is a civil violation.

To come into the Zia’s wo permission is a misdemeanor.

Here is the law:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

Note, the penalty is a fine and/or 6 months in prison.

04 August 2023, 05:00

RolandtheHeadless

I'm probably wrong, then, but where is "Zia's"?

04 August 2023, 05:17

LHeym500

quote:
Zia's

Splendor?

04 August 2023, 05:19

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
To overstay a visa is a civil violation.

To come into the Zia’s wo permission is a misdemeanor.

Here is the law:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

Note, the penalty is a fine and/or 6 months in prison.

what you mean by Zia’s, josh

04 August 2023, 05:26

LHeym500

Did not even see that.

USA.

Zia is a Latin word. That I did not try to type.

To enter the USA wo invitation is a misdemeanor. The punishment is a fine and or incarceration for up to 6 months.

To overstay an invitation, like an education visa, is a civil violation where deportation is a civil remedy.

Those here saying death is appropriate, ant least so be it attitude, are whacky, and not grounded in law thst our representatives have enacted.

04 August 2023, 05:34

jdollar

There is an easy way to solve the problem of illegal immigrants dying. STAY HOME!!

04 August 2023, 07:53

DuggaBoye

quote:
Anglo-Texas War

pray tell
enlighten us Squire

04 August 2023, 08:56

LHeym500

The Anglo presence in Texas had grown to 30k by 1836 and 20k by 1835.

I do not know what you are trying to argue about.

Just like you cannot argue the crime you all are so cavalier about dealing death is a misdemeanor.

Nor can you refute what you say about migrants today and Mexico is what the Central Government said about the Anglo settlers in Texas. These settlers by definition were not Americans having migrated and taken Mexican oaths of loyalty.

Also, settlers believed Texas would be Annexed by the United States prior to the outbreak of War. Southern expansion as a protection is slavery was always a goal of the Deep South. This cannot be denied.

Texas fought. They won. Texas became a slave state. Just don’t act like what is happening now is worse then what happened then. It is not an invasion. We did that two times.

04 August 2023, 16:51

theback40

Invade
To come in uninvited, by force or by crowding.
Emperor Heym doesn't use any dam dictionaries!

04 August 2023, 16:58

JTEX

We need to get our great governor to send little lord fontleroy some of those illegals.......

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04 August 2023, 17:43

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:

Just like you cannot argue the crime you all are so cavalier about dealing death is a misdemeanor.

i will leave edumakatin you on Texas history to Dugga

Holy conflation, batman

you are trying to conflate an illegal dying on their journey, which 1: you don't understand that this actually happens everyday in parts of Texas, 2: we are unfortunately due to circumstance, habituated to illegals dying in deserts and fields along the way, and 3: you, hyperopically, ignore the HUNDREDS of deaths per year that, according to the logic of this thread, Biden killed, in trucks due to heat, suffocation, accidents, coyote (in)action, etc .

There has been no police action, no legal action, no proceedings to charge these persons with a crime, and received sentence. Your ramblings have no basis in either reality nor law. SS started this thread with the hyperbole that Abbott, through legal actions, caused the deaths of two illegals. You are carrying his water as if the Texas judicial system sentenced these illegals to death. I swear, squire, one could think you drink a bit before posting.

Your "arguments" are as hollow as blaming Mayor Pete for highway deaths

04 August 2023, 19:40

Mike Mitchell

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by bluefish:
No, I mean stay the fuck out of our country if you cannot come here legally. Pretty damned basic if you ask me.

Did your ancestors gave permission from the original owners of the land??

No, the spaniards and english just exterminated them and took their land.

Speaking of education curriculums, I wonder if Florida is teaching that one along with how beneficial slavery has been for blacks? I'm sure there are folks on here who would advocate that the taking of the native-americans' land was beneficial to them. After all, they got some reservations and casinos.

04 August 2023, 19:42

Mike Mitchell

quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
There is an easy way to solve the problem of illegal immigrants dying. STAY HOME!!

Or, let them in. Since we need them to pick our crops, bus our tables, build our homes, mow our lawns, and do all of the other labor-intensive jobs that Americans will not do.

But, no. Let's kill them when they try to cross so they can come work to provide for their families. And, then cheer about it on this forum.

You people. Truly. There is something wrong with you.

04 August 2023, 22:07

jeffeosso

I am all for "letting them in" - a work visa should be simple, easy, and cheap /. "here's you TIN" and welcome - and they SHOULD BE PAID A DECENT WAGE

04 August 2023, 23:01

LHeym500

I generally agree w Jeffesso.

04 August 2023, 23:17

LHeym500

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:

Just like you cannot argue the crime you all are so cavalier about dealing death is a misdemeanor.

i will leave edumakatin you on Texas history to Dugga

Holy conflation, batman

you are trying to conflate an illegal dying on their journey, which 1: you don't understand that this actually happens everyday in parts of Texas, 2: we are unfortunately due to circumstance, habituated to illegals dying in deserts and fields along the way, and 3: you, hyperopically, ignore the HUNDREDS of deaths per year that, according to the logic of this thread, Biden killed, in trucks due to heat, suffocation, accidents, coyote (in)action, etc .

There has been no police action, no legal action, no proceedings to charge these persons with a crime, and received sentence. Your ramblings have no basis in either reality nor law. SS started this thread with the hyperbole that Abbott, through legal actions, caused the deaths of two illegals. You are carrying his water as if the Texas judicial system sentenced these illegals to death. I swear, squire, one could think you drink a bit before posting.

Your "arguments" are as hollow as blaming Mayor Pete for highway deaths

Mayor Pete and the Biden Administration did not put up illegal barriers. Likewise, the Biden Administration does not take a good riddance attitude to those deaths as those on this thread have articulated.

What these people have done is not an invasion. It is a misdemeanor that so many here are cavalier about condemning to death on this usurpation of Federal Authority.

There is nothing I have not said about Texas that is not true. In the 1847, we crossed the border. I’m the 1820s Anglos had to swear oaths of loyalty, and obey law of the Mexican Federal Government such as no slaves. They rebelled they won.

The same rhetoric they use against migrants. The Mexican Central Government had as policy when Texas Anglos revolted.

These two deaths are active policy by Texas it has no current right to take. The deaths you highlight are passive.

I agree with you give them a work visa as a legal status w path to citizenship. I have written that before.

05 August 2023, 00:03

DuggaBoye

quote:
These two deaths are active policy by Texas

purely supposition.

Were you there?
Do you have an eye witness?
What if they drowned upstream and the current carried them into the " barrier"?
What if their "coyote" drowned them for some reason , such as non-payment or drugs?
Etc, etc-
Please, do keep going with your unsupported "truths".

05 August 2023, 00:07

Mike Mitchell

quote:
Originally posted by DuggaBoye:
quote:
These two deaths are active policy by Texas

purely supposition.

Were you there?
Do you have an eye witness?
What if they drowned upstream and the current carried them into the " barrier"?
What if their "coyote" drowned them for some reason , such as non-payment or drugs?
Etc, etc-
Please, do keep going with your unsupported "truths".

Oh boy. For somebody that pisses on lawyers all day long, you sure are talking like one.