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Originally posted by crbutler:
First off, while some places have made them illegal, neither the US, or Russia, for that matter, have. I presume Ukraine also is not a signatory.

Secondly, he ain’t peddling them. That implies Ukraine is paying… he’s giving them.

It’s a far cry from giving effective battlefield weapons to WMD’s.

What worries me more is his admission that we’ve given all we have, and that means he’s weakened our defensive posture for a third party… and then publicly so stated.

Sounds positively Trump like.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Except he said the reason we are giving cluster munitions is we are out of 155mm shells.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Radical. Aren't these illegal or am I thinking of something else?

With this, what's next? Nukes?

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Radical. Aren't these illegal or am I thinking of something else?

With this, what's next? Nukes?

Trump: "Putin is a Genius" "Hezbollah is very smart"

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Except he said the reason we are giving cluster munitions is we are out of 155mm shells.

I am more concerned a grandstanding do nothing fired football coach from AL is holding up the confirmation of Generals.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Except he said the reason we are giving cluster munitions is we are out of 155mm shells.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Biden said we don’t have enough. He’s giving them cluster munitions because of that. Per him. The guy you have called a good and honest man.

Whether we have enough is very dependent on what kind of fight we are in.

Hell, fighting a fourth rate power (being generous) had us running out of small arms ammunition. They curtailed live ammo training over it.

Talk to some active duty military types now.

I’ve heard live fire artillery training has been massively cut back due to the sending of all available stocks.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Biden said we don’t have enough. He’s giving them cluster munitions because of that. Per him. The guy you have called a good and honest man.

Whether we have enough is very dependent on what kind of fight we are in.

Hell, fighting a fourth rate power (being generous) had us running out of small arms ammunition. They curtailed live ammo training over it.

Talk to some active duty military types now.

I’ve heard live fire artillery training has been massively cut back due to the sending of all available stocks.

Where have you heard that?

The US military is maintaining enough stockpiles of artillery munitions to wage war if it becomes necessary. The idea that we are leaving ourself without war-making artillery capabilities is just some bullshit criticism being made by folks that oppose aid to Ukraine. You know...republicans. Like you.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Radical. Aren't these illegal or am I thinking of something else?

With this, what's next? Nukes?

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Wake up Mike.

I have not been advocating not supporting Ukraine.

I never said anything against giving Ukraine cluster munitions if they desire them.

What I am saying is Biden states things that are a sign he's a problem. If the reason he's giving cluster bombs is we are running out of available stockpiles, then we gave away too many 155 shells. We've also reduced our ability to make 155 shells if we can't come close to ramping up to provide munitions at a rate sufficient to deal with what is essentially a very small limited battlefield's use in an attritional war. Just Ukraine is using essentially all the production of artillery shells plus our reserve stockpiles of the same not only for the US, but for all of our NATO allies and the available stocks that we are able to buy with cash. This after being involved in a war ourselves which should have ramped up production because we already ran down the supply ourselves...

What is considered an acceptable stockpile is a political decision made by the head of the DoD, who, unless you are living under a rock, is a Biden appointed cabinet member. If you don't think decision on what is acceptable is based on a political choice, you were asleep in civics.

Its Biden's statement, not mine.

You are the one who is refusing to admit the guy is not a good man or president.

That he's doing more for Ukraine than Trump would have, that I suspect is true- but not because Trump is a "paid agent for Putin." More like Trump is more concerned over domestic issues and more tellingly, he would want his family to get its share of the grift from it.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Biden said we don’t have enough. He’s giving them cluster munitions because of that. Per him. The guy you have called a good and honest man.

Whether we have enough is very dependent on what kind of fight we are in.

Hell, fighting a fourth rate power (being generous) had us running out of small arms ammunition. They curtailed live ammo training over it.

Talk to some active duty military types now.

I’ve heard live fire artillery training has been massively cut back due to the sending of all available stocks.

Where have you heard that?

The US military is maintaining enough stockpiles of artillery munitions to wage war if it becomes necessary. The idea that we are leaving ourself without war-making artillery capabilities is just some bullshit criticism being made by folks that oppose aid to Ukraine. You know...republicans. Like you.