Miraculously just the morning after the Dems
Make her nomination official (we can debate the democratic disenfranchisement of their own voters in a separate thread)



https://www.yahoo.com/news/tru...-news-062405260.html

Wait for it... the hounds will soon be baying with some nuance that today or tomorrow's issued talking points

So far it looks like Trump cut a deal with Fox. The ratings potential is obvious.

The two moderators are high ratings machines for Fox. I'm sure Trump wants his mic left on while it's her turn to talk.

Here's how it went last time Fox was host, even with a good guy like Chris Wallace:

https://youtu.be/ow-1DNhHBGU?si=VEyqK5-VoAclgVPc

Trump set the date and venue. The rules are yet to be disclosed.

This is not a done deal. Trump's trap is not acceptable and she won't walk into it. Let the Fox squeal.

https://youtu.be/i_pyPfC9tsQ?si=SU2htiVMprpXkbtz

Here's some comments below the video:

Why does Trump think he gets to dictate the terms of the debate? He should at least try to make it look like he's interested in maintaining some semblance of neutrality. I had to go back to the beginning of this video to see the additional terms of Fox hosts, a live studio audience, along with Trump's usual insults, conveniently obscured behind the banner at the bottom of it.

WHY HIS terms ? Think about it?????? RED FLAGS!!!!!!!!!

The debate does not need a braying Fox crowd of Maga supporters live.

Sneaky...Trump Agreed with Harris on Fox News??? why not Sept10???
"ABC News originally planned to host the second debate between President Biden and Donald Trump on Tuesday, Sept. 10, "

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https://youtu.be/fjFZAXPbdpc?si=0Rg1bLDSPa_07oPZ

Donald Trump agrees to Fox News plan for debate with Kamala Harris | BBC News

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Wait for it... the hounds will soon be baying with some nuance that today or tomorrow's issued talking points

You don't seem to have finished a thought or sentence there.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
So far it looks like Trump cut a deal with Fox. The ratings potential is obvious.

The two moderators are high ratings machines for Fox. I'm sure Trump wants his mic left on while it's her turn to talk.

Here's how it went last time Fox was host, even with a good guy like Chris Wallace:

https://youtu.be/ow-1DNhHBGU?si=VEyqK5-VoAclgVPc

Trump set the date and venue. The rules are yet to be disclosed.

https://youtu.be/i_pyPfC9tsQ?si=SU2htiVMprpXkbtz

Here's some comments below the video:

Why does Trump think he gets to dictate the terms of the debate? He should at least try to make it look like he's interested in maintaining some semblance of neutrality. I had to go back to the beginning of this video to see the additional terms of Fox hosts, a live studio audience, along with Trump's usual insults, conveniently obscured behind the banner at the bottom of it.

WHY HIS terms ? Think about it?????? RED FLAGS!!!!!!!!!

The debate does not need a braying Fox crowd of Maga supporters live.

Sneaky...Trump Agreed with Harris on Fox News??? why not Sept10???
"ABC News originally planned to host the second debate between President Biden and Donald Trump on Tuesday, Sept. 10, "

Fear not the Harris camp will come with their own demands and rules. This is how negotiations work. To quote that great Democrat and founder of Tue KKK, Trump got there fussiest with the mostest.

https://youtu.be/fjFZAXPbdpc?si=0Rg1bLDSPa_07oPZ

Donald Trump agrees to Fox News plan for debate with Kamala Harris | BBC News

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Originally posted by Hasher:

Fear not the Harris camp will come with their own demands and rules. This is how negotiations work. To quote that great Democrat and founder of Tue KKK, Trump got there fussiest with the mostest.

So, I see you have another heretofore undisclosed hero.

Anyway: https://drucker.institute/thed...d%20Entrepreneurship.

Being “Fustest with the Mostest” enjoys a lot of esteem in the popular imagination, Drucker noted. But it also presents its own challenges. Among them: There’s no margin for error.

“Being ‘Fustest with the Mostest’ is very much like a moon shot,” Drucker wrote in Innovation and Entrepreneurship. “A deviation of a fraction of a minutes of the arc and the missile disappears into outer space.”

That pretty much sums up Trump's predicament.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Wait for it... the hounds will soon be baying with some nuance that today or tomorrow's issued talking points

You don't seem to have finished a thought or sentence there.

He fell asleep, dreaming doublethink and the Orwellian dystopian pillars of governance per 1984. That and reconciliation with project 2025 is a conundrum best resolved in a dream state.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Hasher:

Fear not the Harris camp will come with their own demands and rules. This is how negotiations work. To quote that great Democrat and founder of Tue KKK, Trump got there fussiest with the mostest.

So, I see you have another heretofore undisclosed hero.

Anyway: https://drucker.institute/thed...d%20Entrepreneurship.

Being “Fustest with the Mostest” enjoys a lot of esteem in the popular imagination, Drucker noted. But it also presents its own challenges. Among them: There’s no margin for error.

“Being ‘Fustest with the Mostest’ is very much like a moon shot,” Drucker wrote in Innovation and Entrepreneurship. “A deviation of a fraction of a minutes of the arc and the missile disappears into outer space.”

That pretty much sums up Trump's predicament.

That was some amazing on Nathan Bedford Forrest’s original quote.

Stalin must be sitting up in his grave applauding you right now.

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Nathan Bedford Forrest -- Stalin

How many heroes do you have?

I had hopes to become your hero too. But now I shiver the thought of bad company.

BTW, your heroes, how did that work out for them and the millions they killed or died for a lost cause?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Nathan Bedford Forrest -- Stalin

How many heroes do you have?

I had hopes to become your hero too. But now I shiver the thought of bad company.

BTW, your heroes, how did that work out for them and the millions they killed or died for a lost cause?

If I had a hero on the left it would be either you or Hillary.


Congratulations on spinning my references to your statements into them being my heroes.


Your left wing masters should be awarding you the Goebbels medal for best left wing spin any day now.

She'd have to be a fool to agree to debate on those terms.

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Hillary

Another hero, potentially.

Didn't you get the memo?

I'm a conservative. I thank shankspony for the insight to realize that. But I ain't no GOPer.

I learned the spin from observations of the GOPer experts in congress and herein. It's a great tool.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
She'd have to be a fool to agree to debate on those terms.

Don't worry about that.

It's a Trump card, or joker card, played by Trump. Ironically, it's a winning hand either way he plays it. They stir the media, Fox gets the headwind on the ratings. If Harris hedges in a public statement, Trump and Fox will spin it like "I told you so".

So, let's wait a bit to see how Harris Team plays their hand.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
She'd have to be a fool to agree to debate on those terms.

You finished it for me

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
She'd have to be a fool to agree to debate on those terms.

Don't worry about that.

It's a Trump card, or joker card, played by Trump. Ironically, it's a winning hand either way he plays it. They stir the media, Fox gets the headwind on the ratings. If Harris hedges in a public statement, Trump and Fox will spin it like "I told you so".

So, let's wait a bit to see how Harris Team plays their hand.

I see no winning f option other than for them to agree to the debate and negotiate Tue best rules they can.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
She'd have to be a fool to agree to debate on those terms.

You finished it for me

Are you feeling a bit conciliatory and humble today?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
She'd have to be a fool to agree to debate on those terms.

You finished it for me

Are you feeling a bit conciliatory and humble today?

If that were to happen inwoukd be out buying Lottery tickets.

Humble is a tiny town just NE of Houston
29°59′42″N 95°15′54″W

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

So, let's wait a bit to see how Harris Team plays their hand.

I see no winning f option other than for them to agree to the debate and negotiate Tue best rules they can.

Of course.

But the spinners won't see it that way.

Harris already committed to debate. Trump tried to dictate, to corner her. That's his style all the way.

There HAS to be rules which are compelled to abide. We know Trump's MO if the mic is left on when it's not his turn to speak.

He can evade questions all he wants, waste his minutes, by ranting, lying, whatever even if softballed by Fox. Most of the audience will see through that favorite tactic.

But he can't be allowed in a debate to waste her time, and bully by talking over her, certainly not standing/lurking over her like he did Hillary in that debate where he wasn't limited to stand behind a podium.

https://youtu.be/9AdcirKbFfs?si=poFEZJqB1n4YIpYb

https://youtu.be/a0bULxydHX0?si=5U6ApF7Yvna9Tr7_

https://youtu.be/V_F_OSBAP8w?si=0G496bfaKacLegWs

So his fussiest with the mostist isn't gonna work in a level playing field. That's exactly why he doesn't want it level and doesn't want timely fact check.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Humble is a tiny town just NE of Houston
29°59′42″N 95°15′54″W

And regarding you, it would be a mirage or a figment of my imagination.

You are well acquainted with figment - right?

Just checking to see if you are awake yet.

And BTW, this is interesting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...residential_election

Commission on Presidential Debates

Republican former president Donald Trump, circumvented the CPD

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Hasher:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

So, let's wait a bit to see how Harris Team plays their hand.

I see no winning f option other than for them to agree to the debate and negotiate Tue best rules they can.

Of course.

But the spinners won't see it that way.

Harris already committed to debate. Trump tried to dictate, to corner her. That's his style all the way.

There HAS to be rules which are compelled to abide. We know Trump's MO if the mic is left on when it's not his turn to speak.

He can evade questions all he wants, waste his minutes, by ranting, lying, whatever even if softballed by Fox. Most of the audience will see through that favorite tactic.

So his fussiest with the mostist isn't gonna work in a level playing field. That's exactly why he doesn't want it level and doesn't want timely fact check.

You act like the Harris side wants a level playing field. They don’t

Both candidates wa t every advantage they can get.



Honesty all Trump needs to do once the debate starts is answer the questions and then STFU and let Harris spew her word salad.

I realize this is a tall order for trump.


This is what I am expecting from https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...cyBiZWVuIHN1cGVyY3V0

As "they" say:

"Expectation is the root of disappointment"

Hope has substance called faith which is also the evidence of reality not seen.

IOW, fantasy and magical thinking.

Prepare yourself.

Oh I am waiting with anticipation.

Of all of the post debate

Clarifications

Bluesplaining

Tap dancing

Misrepresentation

Obfuscation

Goalpost moving

Word twisting

And claims of victory


All from a democratic campaign that has yet to release a platform or major policy other than Trump bad and we are taking your guns.

Uh, she only just recently announced her candidacy. How many days do you think it should take her to formulate her policies?

Speaking of which, where's Trump's platform? (Other than "immigrants, bad.") I'd like to read it. Seriously.

I'd really like to know how decent people could bring themselves to vote for him. Ledvm keeps saying, "But policy! See the forest, not the trees!" So show me the forest.

The only promise that sticks in my mind is the one he made about getting revenge on his political enemies. So why would anyone want to help him?

Oh, yeah. He also promises tariffs on Chinese goods. Now there is a way to curb inflation!

Trump supporters are always keen on the smoking gun thing - the theories and inferences from some tidbit of evidence, circumstantial evidence, and possible link to something much bigger.

So, those folks will appreciate this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...KE0?ocid=socialshare

'Revelatory bombshell': Secret probe of Trump, suspicious Egypt money shut down by Barr's DOJ: WaPo

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Uh, she only just recently announced her candidacy. How many days do you think it should take her to formulate her policies?

Speaking of which, where's Trump's platform? (Other than "immigrants, bad.") I'd like to read it. Seriously.

I'd really like to know how decent people could bring themselves to vote for him. Ledvm keeps saying, "But policy! See the forest, not the trees!" So show me the forest.

The only promise that sticks in my mind is the one he made about getting revenge on his political enemies. So why would anyone want to help him?

Oh, yeah. He also promises tariffs on Chinese goods. Now there is a way to curb inflation!

here it is -
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/platform

someone other than DJT had to write this -

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someone other than DJT had to write this -

Hmm. I dunno. They look exactly like the kind of vague, grandiose statements Trump makes.

So how come he didn't accomplish that stuff in his prior term?

Harris campaign called Trump's hand:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...085a3297ee647&ei=250

Kamala Harris' Campaign Blasts ‘Scared' Trump for Proposing Fox News Debate
Story by Daniel Kreps • 5h • 2 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...08e80c20fce9ba&ei=83

'Running straight to Fox News to bail him out': Kamala Harris nails Trump on debate fears
Story by Tom Boggioni • 6h • 2 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ce5e86c681a031&ei=20

Trump proposes alternative election debate, Harris says no
Story by Timothy Gardner and Surbhi Misra • 1h • 3 min read

This is just like old school territory pro wrestling.

The the Natch in the home territory of the Heel screw the Face. Fox News Debate

We go to the Face’s territory with the his crowd behind him. Just when the Face is about to go over, the Heel does something crazy, violent, and against the rules. MSNBC Debate

Third match is in a neutral big territory (Stadium, Arena Show) after the Face chases the Heel around the country. Hard view to pick here. The crowd in wrestling terms should be behind the Face. The location in an area of the Country to get the biggest draw. CNN? Will Reuters agree to moderate/host a debate aired by National Outlets.

In the words of Judge Mills Lane, “ Let’s get it on!”

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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someone other than DJT had to write this -

Hmm. I dunno. They look exactly like the kind of vague, grandiose statements Trump makes.

So how come he didn't accomplish that stuff in his prior term?

you give him more credit than i do, as it seems too cogent for him to be the author

in case anyone is interested, here's the other side's
https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

It's all fun and games until January 20. Great entertainment, watching then feint and skewer.
But then we'll have a government of ideologues, the pendulum swung to one stop or the other.

Why not include RFK Jr, and add to the fun?

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Why not include RFK Jr, and add to the fun?

Crazy is not an ideology.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Why not include RFK Jr, and add to the fun?

Crazy is not an ideology.

I did mention "fun". And we still have three branches of government with countervailing powers.
Fortunately.

Okay. Some people's fun is another's angst.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Harris campaign called Trump's hand:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...085a3297ee647&ei=250

Kamala Harris' Campaign Blasts ‘Scared' Trump for Proposing Fox News Debate
Story by Daniel Kreps • 5h • 2 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...08e80c20fce9ba&ei=83

'Running straight to Fox News to bail him out': Kamala Harris nails Trump on debate fears
Story by Tom Boggioni • 6h • 2 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ce5e86c681a031&ei=20

Trump proposes alternative election debate, Harris says no
Story by Timothy Gardner and Surbhi Misra • 1h • 3 min read

Good lord almighty. Can you cite any other sources than the openly left wing MSM?

God Oracda would have more credibility.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Why not include RFK Jr, and add to the fun?

Crazy is not an ideology.

As much as I want to make a joke here you are 100% correct.

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Originally posted by Hasher:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Why not include RFK Jr, and add to the fun?

Crazy is not an ideology.

As much as I want to make a joke here you are 100% correct.

AOC and the squad have entered the chat