Even assuming that Trump comes to his senses and honours his own USMCA, he has demonstrated that he (and by extension the U.S.) can no longer be trusted.

How can any further agreements be entered into with any confidence? Even under a future non-Trumpian administration, there will always be the underlying concern that another treacherous administration will force its way to power.

There’s been a lot of damage already done by this ‘bull in a China shop’ approach, and the chaos surrounding it is only going to make it much worse.

I sincerely think that Americans need to examine, and find the source of, Trumps blatantly obvious subservience and indebtedness to Putin. That is at the source of this turmoil.

yes trust has been altered for certainly a really long run.

Out of all the damage that trump has done and will do, this may be the most troublesome. Abandoning/extorting an ally fighting a common enemy.

Why would anyone ever trust us again?

It makes me want to puke.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Out of all the damage that trump has done and will do, this may be the most troublesome. Abandoning/extorting an ally fighting a common enemy.

Why would anyone ever trust us again?

It makes me want to puke.

??????
The trust should have been lost long before this.

Afghanistan?
Iraq?
Syria?
Kurds?
Somalia?
East Germany?

Over and over and over and over and over we foolishly insert ourselves, don't have the will to win and then wander off mumbling to ourselves while the place we inserted ourselves dies.

At a minimum, all of Germany should have remained Western. Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria should be pacified.

All our fellow Western allies should tell the US "hell no"! if they ask for anything more than a glass of water.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Out of all the damage that trump has done and will do, this may be the most troublesome. Abandoning/extorting an ally fighting a common enemy.

Why would anyone ever trust us again?

It makes me want to puke.

??????
The trust should have been lost long before this.

Afghanistan?
Iraq?
Syria?
Kurds?
Somalia?
East Germany?

Over and over and over and over and over we foolishly insert ourselves, don't have the will to win and then wander off mumbling to ourselves while the place we inserted ourselves dies.

At a minimum, all of Germany should have remained Western. Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria should be pacified.

All our fellow Western allies should tell the US "hell no"! if they ask for anything more than a glass of water.

funny you mention water as is seems this is what your country want from us as well ...

Well said by all. Brian

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Out of all the damage that trump has done and will do, this may be the most troublesome. Abandoning/extorting an ally fighting a common enemy.

Why would anyone ever trust us again?

It makes me want to puke.

??????
The trust should have been lost long before this.

Afghanistan?
Iraq?
Syria?
Kurds?
Somalia?
East Germany?

Over and over and over and over and over we foolishly insert ourselves, don't have the will to win and then wander off mumbling to ourselves while the place we inserted ourselves dies.

At a minimum, all of Germany should have remained Western. Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria should be pacified.

All our fellow Western allies should tell the US "hell no"! if they ask for anything more than a glass of water.

NATO invoked Article 5 against Afghanistan. Guess who is a founding member of NATO. Canada.

quote:

Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
Even assuming that Trump comes to his senses and honours his own USMCA, he has demonstrated that he (and by extension the U.S.) can no longer be trusted.

How can any further agreements be entered into with any confidence? Even under a future non-Trumpian administration, there will always be the underlying concern that another treacherous administration will force its way to power.

There’s been a lot of damage already done by this ‘bull in a China shop’ approach, and the chaos surrounding it is only going to make it much worse.

I sincerely think that Americans need to examine, and find the source of, Trumps blatantly obvious subservience and indebtedness to Putin. That is at the source of this turmoil.

Al Green wanabee ?

tariffs have never gone into effect -- this is called "reacting from fear" --

and here I thought Albertans where the manliest of Canadians -

Didn't go into effect and you are having an emotive break down --

wow, living in fear must SUCK

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
tariffs have never gone into effect -- this is called "reacting from fear" --

and here I thought Albertans where the manliest of Canadians -

Didn't go into effect and you are having an emotive break down --

wow, living in fear must SUCK

tariffs are in effect for canadian goods except the ones that were negociated by trump 1.0 for what be called usmca or nafa 2.0 ... nothing to do with fear but again the MAGA supporters at any cost will find the dear president is doing nothing wrong ... emotive break down lol Jeff you need to wake up because at the end the war will be costly ... remember the drop we are in your economy ...

medved, you're wrong - it's factually true that the tariffs didn't come into play -- YOU are invested in being emotive --

that's on you - -and it's sad

it's pretty cute when you are proven wrong you try to flip it to supporting trump --

honey, the tariffs didn't happen -- you need to grow up

Trump can describe ti not tariff anything. His threats and economic saber rattling have deeply harmed the economic and geopolitical alliance w our ally. An ally that shares our border, our Western Liberal Ideals. An ally that is a founding member of NATO with U.S.


That is the point of this thread. It is point that should be well taken. The fact it comes fro conservative Canadians should not be lost upon us. However, it is.

America was never a trustworthy partner.

Now they have become MAGA UNTRUSTRUSTWORTHY!

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
medved, you're wrong - it's factually true that the tariffs didn't come into play -- YOU are invested in being emotive --

that's on you - -and it's sad

it's pretty cute when you are proven wrong you try to flip it to supporting trump --

honey, the tariffs didn't happen -- you need to grow up

honey as we can say we did not sleep together lol

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/0...of-rising-costs.html

look up your own country news about exemption for tariffs and see that aside of USCMA the tariffs are still on but you are right we in canada are supporting MAGA and trump lol ... and emotive lol when attacked we retaliated and you do not like.
i do wish tomorrow we are charging your country the oil at the market price ... see the story is not over ...

your own country did not like that much either the side with alcohol ... you want to play hard well seems we can be nice but we are not stupid your country is attacking us and the market did not like it. you do not care about us for sure but the market is telling you what to do lol

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0422zzpw8o

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Trump can describe ti not tariff anything. His threats and economic saber rattling have deeply harmed the economic and geopolitical alliance w our ally. An ally that shares our border, our Western Liberal Ideals. An ally that is a founding member of NATO with U.S.


That is the point of this thread. It is point that should be well taken. The fact it comes fro conservative Canadians should not be lost upon us. However, it is.

DRINK

Oh dear! What will I ever do.
No one can understand it.

Rebut the premise, that you obviously got.

I’ll type it again for you.

Trump can decide to not tariff anything. His threats and economic saber rattling have deeply harmed the economic and geopolitical alliance w our ally. An ally that shares our border, our Western Liberal Ideals. An ally that is a founding member of NATO with U.S.


That is the point of this thread. It is point that should be well taken. The fact it comes fro conservative Canadians should not be lost upon us. However, it is.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Oh dear! What will I ever do.
No one can understand it.

Rebut the premise, that you obviously got.

I’ll type it again for you.

Trump can decide to not tariff anything. His threats and economic saber rattling have deeply harmed the economic and geopolitical alliance w our ally. An ally that shares our border, our Western Liberal Ideals. An ally that is a founding member of NATO with U.S.


That is the point of this thread. It is point that should be well taken. The fact it comes fro conservative Canadians should not be lost upon us. However, it is.

thank you at least one is understanding what is happening ...

one picture worth thousand words for the one that do not want to understand.



and i do not even drink lol

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
tariffs have never gone into effect -- this is called "reacting from fear" --

and here I thought Albertans where the manliest of Canadians -

Didn't go into effect and you are having an emotive break down --

wow, living in fear must SUCK

quote:

and here I thought Albertans where the manliest of Canadians

Canuckistanians need their mommies!

They keep electing Justine castro......they are special!

quote:

Originally posted by JTEX:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
tariffs have never gone into effect -- this is called "reacting from fear" --

and here I thought Albertans where the manliest of Canadians -

Didn't go into effect and you are having an emotive break down --

wow, living in fear must SUCK

quote:

and here I thought Albertans where the manliest of Canadians

Canuckistanians need their mommies!

They keep electing Justine castro......they are special!

humanity might be not as nice as you think on your supreme leader ...

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Trump can describe ti not tariff anything. His threats and economic saber rattling have deeply harmed the economic and geopolitical alliance w our ally. An ally that shares our border, our Western Liberal Ideals. An ally that is a founding member of NATO with U.S.


That is the point of this thread. It is point that should be well taken. The fact it comes fro conservative Canadians should not be lost upon us. However, it is.

What an ally! They are great at allowing fentanyl crossing our border....tarrifing our products and whining in general....great ally....

quote:

Originally posted by medved:
yes trust has been altered for certainly a really long run.

Time for us to grow up and act like a real country, dependence on the US has sapped that from us. Canada, would you believe, had the second largest navy in the world at one time.

quote:

Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:

quote:

Originally posted by medved:
yes trust has been altered for certainly a really long run.

Time for us to grow up and act like a real country, dependence on the US has sapped that from us. Canada, would you believe, had the second largest navy in the world at one time.

did not knew about it but i do agree it is time to cut the cord.

quote:

Originally posted by JTEX:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Trump can describe ti not tariff anything. His threats and economic saber rattling have deeply harmed the economic and geopolitical alliance w our ally. An ally that shares our border, our Western Liberal Ideals. An ally that is a founding member of NATO with U.S.


That is the point of this thread. It is point that should be well taken. The fact it comes fro conservative Canadians should not be lost upon us. However, it is.

What an ally! They are great at allowing fentanyl crossing our border....tarrifing our products and whining in general....great ally....

According to Customs more fentanyl moved across the border from the U.S. TO Canada than the other way around.

Canadians have caught many times as much fentanyl coming into Canada from the US than the other way around. Either Trump's claims are bullshit (very likely), or Americans are doing a piss poor job of keeping drugs out of their country (also very likely).
It is not surprising that Trump says and does stupid shit. That's his way. It's a little surprising that so many people, people who seemed to be of normal intelligence, believe the crap he spouts.
The thing is; this little trade disagreement has not just shown that Trump can't be trusted to abide by an agreement he made. It has also shown that a surprisingly large number of Americans have no respect for their neighbor, nor for the people who live there. This has, quite frankly, shaken my world view. This is like seeing a family fall apart and the kids are collateral damage.
I have lived, worked, and gone to school in both countries. I have life-long friends in both countries. I have children and grandchildren in both countries. Can you imagine how disturbing this shit is to me? I don't mean to rant but damn. Regards, Bill

Rest assured it is just as disturbing to many Americans. Many of us value our fidelity and loyalty to friends, fidelity and loyalty that is reciprocated in many ways on many occasions. To see a worthless piece of shit like Trump destroy that trust in a matter of weeks, even days, is just as alarming to us. He is a despicable excuse for a human being.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Rest assured it is just as disturbing to many Americans. Many of us value our fidelity and loyalty to friends, fidelity and loyalty that is reciprocated in many ways on many occasions. To see a worthless piece of shit like Trump destroy that trust in a matter of weeks, even days, is just as alarming to us. He is a despicable excuse for a human being.

weimar was destroyed in less than 2 months ... seems you are on a slippery slope ...

So sad to see a country being ruled by such a a deranged coward.

It is even worse to see some actually defend him!

Birds of a feather....