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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...64f85&ei=114#details

Judge: No penalties for Trump in New York hush money case

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...64f85&ei=114#details


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

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Interesting. Could the president-elect be found in contempt of court, if he doesn't comply with the order?
 
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contempt of court


Well, that contempt has been shown beyond doubt.

The sentence that Merchan should render is for Trump to bend over and get a good spanking by Big Bubba, then probation based on good behavior or get another spanking, and so forth.

I think allegorically that's what Merchan is doing. He's said Trump, as POTUS, must attend the sentencing. Think of Merchan as Bubba. Whether Trump complies and attends or not, he's in for a spanking. Ain't it sweet that he knows it? Watch him squall.


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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All indications President Elect Trump will not be incarcerated.

The Gov of NY, Gov of GA, and President Biden should just pardon Trump and be done w it all.

https://apple.news/AuDgMkBTPTHmljPNoYPYsJA
 
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Judge in Trump hush money case expected to sentence him to 'unconditional discharge'
5h • 5 min read


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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This "conviction" will be overturned in the end, so it's all irrelevant, but just shows the bias of the judge in the first place.
 
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Interesting. Could the president-elect be found in contempt of court, if he doesn't comply with the order?


Maggie, this is a strawman -- rolly invents a situation, then infers an outcome - no one but himself espoused the concept, but suddenly, in your words "cyberspace is waiting" a reply to the strawman


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This "conviction" will be overturned in the end, so it's all irrelevant, but just shows the bias of the judge in the first place.


What's relevant is on the day of his inauguration, Trump will be the first president who is a convicted felon.

Regarding contempt of court, he's obviously contemptuous of the rule of law including the courts, and actually of the constitution.

The judge can hold him accountable only so far, and essentially the reason for the limitations is the fact that Trump's contempt for the rule of law was/is an ASSET for those who voted for him. They bought his victim lies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...aHa?ocid=socialshare

'Stain on his report card': Will Trump dodge any real consequences at sentencing?

Judge Merchan ordered Donald Trump to appear for sentencing in his hush money case just ten days before his inauguration.


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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Jonathan Turley:

Judge Merchan just set Trump for a sentencing shortly before his inauguration. As some of us predicted, he is indicating that he will impose an unconditional discharge without jail or probation.

The sentence will finalize the case and allow for an appeal. However, it would also label the President-elect a convicted felon just before he is sworn into office. It is the final cathartic act for lawfare warriors.

Merchan will supply the talking point for the inauguration coverage as reporters repeat the mantra of the historic status of Trump being sworn in as a convicted felon. Yet, we will also finally be able to see an appeal of his case. While there are low expectations for the New York court system, the sentencing will allow the full array of alleged errors by Merchan to be placed before appellate judges.


https://x.com/jonathanturley/s...291325844897822?s=46


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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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the sentencing will allow the full array of alleged errors by Merchan to be placed before appellate judges.


Due process is a good thing - right?

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It is the final cathartic act for lawfare warriors.


Is that a fact?

Is it a spin conclusion stated as fact, based in contempt for the law, the courts, the grand jury, the jury, the due process?

Who in fact are the lawfare warriors?

For example:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/poli...j4X?ocid=socialshare

Elon Musk Spreads Baseless Voter Fraud Conspiracy
Story by Tom Norton • 20h • 3 min read

Elon Musk has begun the New Year sharing baseless and misleading stories about voter fraud, voter ID, and electoral law.

The Tesla CEO, who is set to head President-elect Donald Trump's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), made the unsubstantiated claim this week that the Democratic Party was opposing voter ID "so that they can commit voting fraud and not get caught. It's that simple." The claim, posted on X, formerly Twitter, was viewed 5.2 million times as of January 3.

Musk engaged with comments from political commentator Jonathan Turley, who said that "California Democrats" were moving to "block voter identification laws."

Newsweek reached out to press representatives for X and Donald Trump via email for comment.

Turley had highlighted recent efforts by some cities in California to pass voter identification laws at the polls. In September, California Governor Gavin Newsom barred local governments from requiring voters to present ID at the polls. The state already did not require voter ID to be presented.

The new law, authored by state Senator Dave Min, the legislation was passed by the California Assembly and Senate in 2024. Min, a Democrat running for Congress, introduced the bill so local governments could not impose their own voter ID rules, which he said disproportionately affect low-income, elderly and minority voters.

(there's more)

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So, if the lawfare warriors do the spinning for the GOPers, only the "Best" people will do. Turley and Musk are certainly qualified.

I saw an article today where Gaetz has a new job in the spin media.


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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ME,
It was a “manufactured” case.

Realize that.

It will be eventually disposed of.

You are living proof, a “crazy” if you will, of what the purpose of the manufacture was.

Fortunately, the “crazies” are still in the minority.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Did he pay her?


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The jury found that he committed the felony crime of fraud, with intent to defraud, based on the evidence.

That's not a "manufactured" conviction.

The "purpose" of the prosecution was very simply to hold Trump accountable for what he actually did, and it succeeded, so far.

He may get completely off due to some technicality, but the fact remains he committed the crime, 34 times.

The "crazies" were in the majority, otherwise Trump couldn't have been elected. I don't know how long that will last, but certainly it will be too long. You have some really good crazy spinners on your team.

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ME,

It was a “manufactured” case.

Realize that.



What I realize is that you believe that. It's another gross example of how the Belief in Fiction works. You HAVE to believe that for your flip the script narratives to work for you. Otherwise, the whole thing is self-contradictory. I know you are dishonest - extrovertedly, but I can't believe you are introvertedly.

Think about it. I didn't have to make up anything about Trump's conviction. All I had to do was read the news and accept the jury's findings, and trust the system to abide the rule of law. That in addition to the vast sum of collateral evidence that Trump is a liar, dishonest, a fraud.


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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Some technicality!? rotflmo

Here you are arguing about the holiness of our US court system and in the same breath saying if the judge made fatal errors it doesn’t count!

You just can’t make this shit up. You are proof positive that truth is stranger than fiction.

I am sure it never occurred to you that had the judge not made fatal errors that the case might have gone the other way!? 2020


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Trump got off the other prosecutable cases on "technicality", now didn't he?

"Fatal errors" these days seem to be subjective, as evidenced by recent SCOTUS rulings.

Then the chief justice goes on record lamenting the decline in trust for the judicial system, and the rise in threats of violence, apparently blaming others besides himself.

I'm certainly not condoning violence, but when the chief justice can't see what he's doing, good grief.


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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Here you are arguing about the holiness of our US court system and in the same breath saying if the judge made fatal errors it doesn’t count!


I'm not talking about holiness. I prefer the word sanctity.

And "fatal errors" or not, on inauguration day, Trump will be a convicted felon, an adjudicated sex abuser, a fraudster, and con artist, as well as a liar and insurrectionist. No amount of spin can change those facts. And I'm happy about that, for whatever it's worth.

Trump has proven, beyond doubt, that he's above the law. So much for unholy sanctity.


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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Any means to an end…correct? 2020


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:


He may get completely off due to some technicality,


you are aware that EVERYTHING that comes out of a court decision is a "technicality" right? Do you even understand... no, wait, what am I saying .. of course you DONT (experimenting with a turn of phrase, alternatively "of course, you dolt" seems fitting, but harsher word choice than i usually use AND to the "dolt" could seem like encouragement)

The justice system is designed to be alerted of a crime and then find the perp --- that's how are system worse, as it then enters an adversarial phase, between the prosecutor/claimant and the defense, and is then ruled on (optionally a jury) the judge - that's about a 3rd grade level explanation.

Our justice system is designed to right wrongs - not to "show me the man and i'll show you the crime" - that's literally what the commies do, as voiced under stalin -- oh, let me give you a link, you can "argue" with the author
https://www.oxfordeagle.com/20...-show-you-the-crime/

34 FELONIES(snicker) that are sooo horrible that the judge is considering "unconditional release" .. crimes you foul, dire, hurtful, and egregious that the punishment is ... ZERO --
oh, heck, with your vocabulary, egregious might be outside your experience, as we have seen you struggle with misunderstandings of vocabulary prior - here's a link to define it for you

you know what, why bother talking rule o flaw and due process to someone that thinks biden pardoning hunter, and the whole series of lies, was acceptable -


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Well, you have the lawyers say that the outcome is not what the purpose of the legal system is about, but rather the process is.

Showing that the legal system is getting pretty far afield.

It be like a doctor saying diagnosis and treatment is the purpose of the medical system, not healing.

The system may be done a certain way because we cannot guarantee results, but that doesn't mean that why we do it isn't for righting a wrong/healing a person.

If they feel that 34 felonies deserve no punishment, then they probably are not really felonies.


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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:


He may get completely off due to some technicality,


you are aware that EVERYTHING that comes out of a court decision is a "technicality" right? Do you even understand... no, wait, what am I saying .. of course you DONT (experimenting with a turn of phrase, alternatively "of course, you dolt" seems fitting, but harsher word choice than i usually use AND to the "dolt" could seem like encouragement)

The justice system is designed to be alerted of a crime and then find the perp --- that's how are system worse, as it then enters an adversarial phase, between the prosecutor/claimant and the defense, and is then ruled on (optionally a jury) the judge - that's about a 3rd grade level explanation.

Our justice system is designed to right wrongs - not to "show me the man and i'll show you the crime" - that's literally what the commies do, as voiced under stalin -- oh, let me give you a link, you can "argue" with the author
https://www.oxfordeagle.com/20...-show-you-the-crime/

34 FELONIES(snicker) that are sooo horrible that the judge is considering "unconditional release" .. crimes you foul, dire, hurtful, and egregious that the punishment is ... ZERO --
oh, heck, with your vocabulary, egregious might be outside your experience, as we have seen you struggle with misunderstandings of vocabulary prior - here's a link to define it for you

you know what, why bother talking rule o flaw and due process to someone that thinks biden pardoning hunter, and the whole series of lies, was acceptable -
 
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Medicine and due process of law are not synonymous.

Our system is designed to provide due process.

If due process was violated or the trial judge misapplied controlling precedent to a legal issue, the verdict will be vacated.

The “Truth” U.S. not part of that calculation as a jury’s factual findings shall not and must not be disturbed so long as it is supported by evidence on the record w the jury permitted to make all reasonable inferences from that evidence.
 
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This "conviction" will be overturned in the end, so it's all irrelevant, but just shows the bias of the judge in the first place.


A jury of his peers said he did the deed. An appeal to a Chancery Court might unfix it, if New York had one like Delaware.


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No.

The purpose of the legal system is to give justice, ie make things right.

It may be that the closest we can get to that is the process, but that doesn't change the PURPOSE of the legal system.

Just like the purpose of the medical system is to cure illness, even though the method we go to get there is get a diagnosis and propose a course of treatment.
 
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Medicine and due process of law are not synonymous.

Our system is designed to provide due process.

Of due process was violated or the trial judge misapplied controlling precedent to a legal issue, the verdict will be vacated.

The “Truth” U.S. not part of that calculation as a jury’s factual findings shell mt and must no be disturbed so long as it is supported by evidence on the record w the jury permitted to make all reasonable inferences from that evidence.


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No.

The purpose of the legal system is to give justice, ie make things right.

It may be that the closest we can get to that is the process, but that doesn't change the PURPOSE of the legal system.

Just like the purpose of the medical system is to cure illness, even though the method we go to get there is get a diagnosis and propose a course of treatment.


I like that different perspective.

That's a good debate, IMO.

I'm not going to argue with either of you or take sides. You both have good points, IMO.

The thing that I see is that you both are saying is the process (purpose) is more important than the end justifies the means.

Correct me please if I read that wrong.


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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Provide justice is not to deprive a person of life, liberty, or property without proper due process. That is why the presumption of innocence is do important. The charged starts out being innocent. The prosecution must over come the legal presumption. Presumptions are powerful things on the law.

Of the focus was on “Truth” and outcome we would not have rules, precedents to exclude evidence that otherwise shows truth.
 
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The thing that I see is that you both are saying is the process (purpose) is more important than the end justifies the means.


I haven't read the latest of the discussion here, but, "the end justifies the means" jumped out at me.

The end justifying the means is no more or less the ebb and flow of public opinion. The vagaries of blowing with the wind.
 
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Saeed, If he did, she is the blackmailing criminal.
 
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Oh, so Trump is the victim?

That sorry prostitute took advantage of him while he was horney and his wife was unserviceable. Then she blackmailed him.

Poor Donald. Wink

Then the Don made it worse by disguising the payment as attorney fees, took the tax deduction. He signed the checks knowing the accounting was fraud.

Poor Donald. Wink


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

The thing that I see is that you both are saying is the process (purpose) is more important than the end justifies the means.


I haven't read the latest of the discussion here, but, "the end justifies the means" jumped out at me.

The end justifying the means is no more or less the ebb and flow of public opinion. The vagaries of blowing with the wind.


I think the term "end justifies the means" is attributed to Machiavelli. But I think he didn't use those exact words. Instead, he described the idea.

It's not what you say it is.

For example, in context with the difference in the rule of law vs the rule of man, the "process" is flipped with the rule of man.

IOW, the means justifies the end in the process of the rule of law. That's due process.

The end justifies the means in the process of the rule of man.

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The way you describe it (ebb and flow of public opinion ... vagaries) is not the way law or med works. It is how politics work, and that is why and how Trump got elected. That whole concept fits into the thread and my discussion of Belief in Fiction.

The whole "lawfare" claim by Trump and his supporters is a trick, flip the script, psycho projection, lie, in support of the end justifies the means. It's a direct attack on the rule of law. It's consistent with the concept of rule of man.

The fundamental thing, per the Founders, is that rule of law and rule of man cannot co-exist in a legit democratic republic. That's the foundation of our secular constitution. Trump, MAGA, Trump voters have lost that concept in the wind :
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The end justifying the means is no more or less the ebb and flow of public opinion. The vagaries of blowing with the wind.


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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I looked on YouTube to find some short, accurate and innocuous video explaining the concept of "the end justifies the means".

This one seems okay:

2020 oops, I lost it in the shuffle. There are plenty of similar videos, so look it up yourself. Smiler

The main theme in the video was about political power, how to get it and maintain it, mostly re a kingdom, and it involved concepts of morals, virtues, good, deception, manipulation, etc.

The book was The Prince by Machiavelli.

Found it: (it's a little hokey, IMO, but short and to the point)

https://youtu.be/xPTQqHUvhPM?si=8hE2jQTB7zAwbKrg
Philosophy Of Power: “The Ends Justify The Means”

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But, I found something maybe more interesting. I doubt that Trump has read The Prince but there's no doubt that he engages the concept of the end justifies the means. Perhaps it's instinctive and developed.

I think this video describes Trump and Trumpism perfectly:

https://youtu.be/n8oH2nPD-SA?si=W2Gpyyj1N4zOytE9

Machiavellianism vs Narcissism: The KEY Differences

Also:

https://youtu.be/EzSLRMv2D_s?si=fqGS93AqBgEvPavM

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Then the Don made it worse by disguising the payment as attorney fees, took the tax deduction.


More of Maggie’s disinformation. It was coded “legal expenses” in the ledger — which it was.

CEOs across the country have stated that that is how they would have entered it into a ledger as well.


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The jury found it to be fraudulent.

Attorney fees or legal expenses.

hummm

I suppose one could argue that for a man like Trump hush money to a prostitute is necessary as a business expense. What line title to book it to?

He should have coded it "sordid expenses". Or would that draw attention from the auditors?

Oh wait. The best means is to have the attorney make the payment then reimburse him, calling it "legal fees".

I wonder if Matt Gaetz also deducted his payments to prostitutes as legal expenses?


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

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It was a payment made through an attorney in exchange for a non-disclosure agreement. Transactions such as this are done weekly in large businesses — for various reasons. Whether is was for sex or whether it was for performing an errand (buying a can of Copenhagan so the wife doesn’t know) is immaterial to the law.

The fact that it pertained to a legal transaction (the buying of an NDA from a willing giver) done through an attorney makes it a legal expense (how it was coded) to me.

Try that case with a fair judge in most jurisdictions — you get a non-guilty verdict.

I believe it was likely to have even happened in Manhattan had the Judge acted responsibly. The judge’s actions will get this thing overturned. It was a manufactured case of lawfare. Every American SHOULD be standing up against. Anyone who doesn’t should be seen as the enemy of American principles — ie: the law is used ONLY for clear cut legal infractions.
If they can manufacture a case against Trump…they can manufacture a case against me — given a cause/reason.


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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Okay. I see your response as reasonable and respectful. I have to acknowledge that because IMO, it's rare herein, and I'm not talking about you with that observation.

I acknowledge it because of balance. I'm quick to jump on what I consider unreasonable, so acknowledgement is fair, IMO.

However, let me research it a bit and get back with you if I can muster a reasonable disagreement. Wink

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All attorneys that I know of and have encountered have a bank account set up separate from their operating account. I forget what they call it. But it's for transactions between the client and third parties. It's always audited by the CPA's and the IRS. It's often abused.

But that isn't the way it happened between Cohen and Trump and the third party. From what I read, Trump and Cohen intentionally made the payment to the third party from one of Cohen's account, whether business or trust I don't know.

But the point is Trump reimbursed Cohen for the amount but hid the fact that it was reimbursement for NDA and instead called it legal or attorney fees. Attorney fees are clearly a business expense, as far as I know. NDA, or hush money to a whore is not a business expense insofar as normal operations.

But Trump signed the checks, and no doubt knew the trick that it would be deducted on his NY tax return and fed return under the classification or legal/attorney expense.

One of the missing parts that I don't know is whether Cohen claimed it as income. Probably not.

Without further research, that's the way, and facts as I understand it.

Another fact as I have observed and understand is that you and plenty of others are trying hard to manufacture a narrative about it all that just isn't factual nor true.

The fact is and remains that the prosecution proved their case before a jury who deemed Trump guilty of 34 counts of felony fraud. It is way beyond reason for me to buy into the theory that it was ALL a farce. In the realm of probabilities, taking into account all the farces already committed and dreamed up by Trump and supporters, IMO it's reasonable to presume the invented narratives about this case are par.

I'm going to take a chance, presuming harm is negligible. I avoid disclosing personal info as a precautionary measure. But I'll let you know that my profession was as a CPA, and for several years in my career I specialized in representing clients of the firm under audit before the IRS. I have real stories you wouldn't believe. So, my analysis of this has basis. It was a challenge and for the most part I enjoyed the game. My stake was reputation and credibility, both sides. I have represented several attorneys being audited by the IRS. I'll just say there were no disasters. I never represented anyone like Trump. But I did represent a guy who was a former grand dragon of the KKK, once. I turned down, weaseled out, of an assignment to represent an "alleged" gun dealer who specialized in shipments to Nicaragua. I figured it was too risky. I knew the guy and he was seriously dangerous. That was before the Reagan fiasco Iran-contra. My instincts kicked in. Whew.

When I moved to Alaska, I met the pilot who was the alternate to the guy who got shot down. We frequented the same shooting range.
https://www.google.com/search?...AHAA&sclient=gws-wiz

He didn't admit it, of course, but I was told it was true by his friend. The scenario fit. He had a cabin in the woods. He was a pilot for sure. Not a bush pilot. He disappeared every two weeks or so. He never disclosed. He was CIA.

Yea, I know this is a Forest Gump kinda thing, but it's real.


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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NDA, or hush money to a whore is not a business expense insofar as normal operations.


Buying an NDA is a legal business expense. It is done routinely.


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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Another fact as I have observed and understand is that you and plenty of others are trying hard to manufacture a narrative about it all that just isn't factual nor true.


Point out one thing I said about the case that is not true.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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The way I understand it, yes, it may be routine, regarding non-competitive issues or non-disclosures for specialized techs or methods or contacts or sources or customers, etc. But not for fucking a whore.

I mean, really, they say you can't wear it out. Wink


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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Another fact as I have observed and understand is that you and plenty of others are trying hard to manufacture a narrative about it all that just isn't factual nor true.


Point out one thing I said about the case that is not true.


"manufactured"

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ME,
It was a “manufactured” case.

Realize that.



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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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NDA, or hush money to a w***e sex worker is not a business expense insofar as normal operations.


Buying an NDA is a legal business expense. It is done routinely.


Lane,
look at the little lefty, getting all judgmental, when a slogan of the left is "sex work is real worker" -
I am under at least 2 NDAs (the third, i think, has expired) from previous companies and engagements - I have signed HUNDREDS of them, as it's an everyday practice in actual business as the first piece of paper to protect each other in technology - also, when a company wants to hire me for a short term contract, the NDA is in place right after introductions and handshakes, in tech, it's expected. It's almost like, well, i think i am seeing a pattern, that someone has never worked in any high intellectual property or high confidentiality situation -- then again, they didn't know what "acting" meant, in professional terms --

2024, i must have signed 17-19 NDAs, to evaluate tech, to be shown tech, and to hear cool tech news, that's a bit ahead of the curve but is being shown to leading edge customers ..

Lane, when you say routinely, it's not as common as paying an invoice, but 100% of our technology partners + those that wanted to demo stuff, have signed NDAs with us, as well as most of our other partners/vendors -- shesh

but some folks on AR think some words are talismans, that merely mentioning them "changes things" ...


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But not for fucking a whore.


Immaterial legally.


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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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But not for fucking a whore.


Immaterial legally.


Big Grin

So, you as a professional Vet, and I as a retired CPA disagree on that point.

Now, I have often said that I'm not an attorney, and I've disclosed that I have peripheral experience with these matters and with the law and with the IRS and with attorneys.

Fortunately, the argument seems to boil down to
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Immaterial legally


I presume that will be the theme on appeal.

I can't imagine that prevailing.

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Oh, and BTW, fucking a whore is not illegal. We seem to be distracted from the fact that our POTUS elect is a whore fucker. Is that your point?

Even if Trump is successful in vacating the case and conviction on legal technicality, how are you going to spin the whore fucker narrative? I mean, after all, why was the NDA even deemed necessary?


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

"Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump
"Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam

D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal.



 
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